Tom Rowland Podcast

Monty Burke writes about the best of the best — college football coaches, saltwater fly fishing legends, and the obsessed individuals who reach the top of whatever they pursue. In this episode of the Tom Rowland Podcast, Monty breaks down what Pete Carroll got right at USC that he couldn't pull off in the NFL, why Steve Huff at 80 years old is still one of the most fascinating people in fly fishing, and what the relationship between a great guide and an elite angler has in common with a great coach and his players. They also get into AI and why Monty thinks the removal of friction — of doing hard things — is one of the worst things that could happen to a generation trying to find purpose. Honest, wide-ranging, and the kind of conversation you'll still be thinking about the next time you're on the water.

George Poveromo — host of "George Poveromo's World of Saltwater Fishing" (26 seasons), Saltwater Sportsman columnist since 1983, and founder of the longest-running fishing seminar series in the country (39 years) — joins Tom for a conversation about building a career in the fishing industry from the ground up.

George shares the story of how buying a Mako instead of an Aqua Sport changed the trajectory of his entire life, the three-piece suit that landed him the Saltwater Sportsman gig, Mark Sosin's career advice that still holds up 40 years later, getting speared in the rear end by a sailfish, the shark population crisis in South Florida, and why AI-powered fishing forecasts are already here.

⏱️ TIMESTAMPS

0:00 - Introduction

1:30 - George's First Industry Job: The Miami Billfish Tournament

3:30 - First Story Sold to Outdoor Life for $300

4:10 - Joining Saltwater Sportsman in 1983

5:00 - Mark Sosin as Mentor

6:50 - The Embarrassing Boat Show Seminars That Started It All

7:55 - Launching George Poveromo's World of Saltwater Fishing (Year 26)

8:30 - The One Mako Trip That Changed Everything

10:55 - Pivotal Career Moments

12:30 - The Three-Piece Suit Interview at Saltwater Sportsman

15:40 - Mark Sosin's Advice: Never Take a Staff Position

17:00 - Building the Seminar Series Business Model

19:30 - How Technology Changed Seminar Attendance

22:00 - Peak Seminar Years and Tying Alice Cooper

24:00 - Stage Fright vs. Food Court Seminars

28:30 - COVID Pivot: Televised Seminar Series Hitting 1M+ Viewers

31:00 - 2026 Plans: TV This Year, 40th Anniversary Tour Next Year

33:45 - Studio vs. On-the-Water Production

35:00 - Finding Cameramen Who Don't Get Seasick

36:30 - The Sailfish That Speared George in the Rear

42:30 - Tom's Mutton Snapper Bacteria Scare

48:30 - FADs, Technology, and Modern Offshore Fishing

51:15 - Electronics Evolution: From LORAN to Bathymetric Charts

52:30 - Generational Shifts in Fish Populations

56:50 - The Shark Population Crisis in South Florida

1:04:00 - Conservation, Access, and the SHARK Act

1:08:00 - AI in Fishing: Ross Fish and Ocean Forecasting with Simrad

1:11:00 - Can AI Replace Fishing TV Hosts?

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Mike Holland is the creator of the MINDBODY Energy Movement — a daily practice that blends movement, breathwork, and mindset into a simple system you can do anywhere, with zero equipment. In just 8 months, Mike went from posting on a personal account to building an audience of nearly 900,000 people, all around one mission: help people take control of their health and live life on their own terms.

In this conversation, we talk about why movement is medicine, why breath is the bridge between mind and body, and how discipline compounds the same way money does — one small decision at a time. We also get into what Mike’s doing with ManyChat, why he wasn’t charging anyone while it was blowing up, and how he’s building an app to turn this into a real community.

Some of the moments I found most meaningful in this conversation were:


The simplest reframe that changes everything: you don’t have to do it — you get to do it.


Why breathwork can unlock performance (and how it keeps you calm even when your heart rate is high).


Movement + rhythm = clarity — the way your brain settles when your body gets in sync.


“What you consume is what you become.” Not just food — information, people, and energy.


The real goal isn’t followers. It’s a million people taking ownership of their health.

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Fish Like Mike — is a former PE teacher and varsity hockey coach from Buffalo, New York who built a massive audience by doing what he genuinely loves: getting outside, learning the woods, and telling the story like a buddy would. He started fishing in high school with a cheap kayak and a GoPro duct-taped to a hockey stick… and years later, he made the big call to step away from a “safe” career to go all-in on content, travel, and the freedom to fish on a Tuesday when nobody’s around.

In this conversation, we get into the real stuff: the grind of teaching + coaching + building content on weekends, the moment he knew it was time to rip the band-aid off, why Instagram views don’t pay like people think, and why those “little creeks” in New York might be one of the most underrated fisheries in the country.

Some of the moments I found most meaningful in this conversation were:


How he built his entire audience with almost no “fancy” gear — just consistency, curiosity, and telling the truth on camera.


The mindset shift from “posting videos” to “building a business” — and why reputation matters more than follower count.


The possum video lesson: when your face is on camera and you teach like a friend, people stick around.


Great Lakes tributaries that can give you a 5-pound smallmouth and a 30-inch “steelhead” in the same day.


Leaving teaching wasn’t about money — it was about freedom, time, and not waiting until retirement to live the life.

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