The ECTRIMS Podcast

How much do the labels used to describe multiple sclerosis actually reflect the lived experience of people affected by the disease?
In this first episode of the new ECTRIMS–MS Journal collaboration series, host Dr. Anneke van der Walt, Controversies Editor at the Multiple Sclerosis Journal, speaks with Jon Strum, MS caregiver and host of the RealTalk MS podcast, and Kathryn Smith, patient advocate and volunteer with the National MS Society, and person living with MS.
Together they explore a deceptively simple question: does the label given to an MS disease course actually matter?
Jon argues that disease labels shape perception, communication and expectations for people living with MS and their families. Kathryn explains why those same labels increasingly fail to capture the day-to-day reality of living with the disease.
They discuss:
Why traditional MS disease course labels can feel disconnected from lived experience
The emotional and practical impact of terms such as relapsing-remitting and secondary progressive
The concept of PIRA (progression independent of relapse activity) and what it reveals about MS progression
Why functional outcomes and patient experience should play a greater role in how MS is described
The importance of patient voice in research, clinical conversations and scientific publishing
 
Although they begin from opposing viewpoints, Jon and Kathryn ultimately arrive at a shared conclusion: the MS community may need a new language — one that better reflects biology, individual experience and the realities of living with the disease.
Note: This episode is part of the MS Journal Controversies in MS series, specifically its new Controversies: Patient Voice section – a dedicated space highlighting the lived experiences of people affected by MS. Please see the following articles for more information:
"Yes" – The label does matter
"No" – The label does not matter

Rehabilitation is more than exercise – it is a personalised process of learning and adaptation that empowers people living with MS to maximise independence, participation and quality of life.
In this episode –  recorded at ECTRIMS 2025 in Barcelona during the joint ECTRIMS–RIMS meeting – host Brett Drummond speaks with Prof. Roshan das Nair from SINTEF and Dr. Blanca de Dios Pérez from University of Nottingham about the evolving role of rehabilitation in MS care.
They explore:
·      Why rehabilitation should be integrated from diagnosis
·      The rise of vocational rehabilitation and supporting people to remain in work
·      Mental health as a core component of MS care
·      Digital technologies for cognitive screening and personalised triage
·      The importance of implementation — turning research into real-world care
·      Moving toward a "community of care" model beyond the clinic
As MS care advances, rehabilitation remains essential for translating medical progress into meaningful everyday outcomes.

Clinical trial results unveiled today at ACTRIMS Forum 2026 suggest that fenebrutinib may be a novel and effective treatment option for people living with primary progressive multiple sclerosis.  In this exclusive episode providing the first expert discussion of the complete dataset, FENtrepid trial leads Prof. Amit Bar-Or (University of Pennsylvania) and Dr. Stephen Hauser (University of California San Francisco) break down what the fenebrutinib results really show. Together, they explore:
Why BTK inhibition is uniquely positioned to address progressive MS biology
How fenebrutinib compared to ocrelizumab in the Phase 3 FENtrepid PPMS trial
What the data suggest for patients with non-relapsing, chronic disease
Listen for a deep dive into the science and the clinical implications.
Editorial Note: At 21:49, the discussion refers to Müller cells. The correct term is Kupffer cells. 
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What role does the gut microbiome play in multiple sclerosis — and how close are we to translating microbiome research into meaningful clinical interventions?
In this episode of the ECTRIMS Podcast, host Brett Drummond is joined by Mahesh Desai (Luxembourg Institute of Health) and Ashutosh Mangalam (University of Iowa), two internationally recognised leaders in microbiome and MS research, to explore how gut microbes influence disease susceptibility, progression, and immune regulation in MS.
The discussion moves beyond simple "good vs bad bacteria" narratives, highlighting why microbial function, community structure, and host–microbiome dialogue are far more informative than individual taxa alone. The speakers examine evidence from animal models and human studies, including twin studies, microbial networks, and immune markers such as IgA coating, to understand whether microbiome changes are drivers or consequences of disease.
They also explore the potential of the gut microbiome as a predictive biomarker, the challenges of causality, and why diet and personalised approaches may be key to restoring immune balance in MS.

Cognitive change is one of the most common—and most misunderstood—symptoms of multiple sclerosis. In this episode, host Brett Drummond speaks with Dr. Vicki Levitt (Columbia University) and Dr. Tom Fuchs (MS Center Amsterdam) about the state of cognition research, why measurement still lags behind clinical need, and how new tools may change the field forever.