Ancient Health Podcast

A 15-herb cleanse gives you only about 30 to 50 mg of each herb, and a lot of people feel worse on it. Dr. Chris Motley sits down with Drs. Michael and Noah Lebowitz to talk about total load, why chasing one infection misses the rest, the milk thistle mycotoxin problem, and what “other ingredients” on a label really means. They also cover what’s on your organic produce, including a 2026 Texas settlement with Sprouts.

Sources are in the show notes.

Disclosure: The guests own Supreme Nutrition Products, and Dr. Motley earns an affiliate commission on it. Educational only, not medical advice.

00:00 Why a cleanse can make you feel worse

00:41 Welcome

00:52 Symptoms the labs can't explain

02:00 Disclosure: Supreme Nutrition and my affiliate code

02:45 What is total load?

03:58 Your body is a soup

05:01 Metals first? Parasites first? Why they don't prioritize

05:36 Twenty things wrong at the first visit

07:04 Do microbes make you sensitive to foods?

07:49 Reintroducing foods, then and now

08:42 Glyphosate, atrazine and the pesticide load

10:10 Organic cotton beach towels

10:58 When certified organic failed the tests

11:32 Copper on organic grapes, and the Sprouts settlement

12:14 Can herbs be contaminated too?

12:54 Wild-harvested isn't unsprayed

13:45 Store-bought detoxes and the milk thistle problem

15:22 Single herbs versus 15-ingredient formulas

17:21 The capsule math

17:41 Muscle testing and road trips to Klamath Lake

19:12 Muscle testing versus labs

19:43 Same moldy room, two different bodies

20:40 Do nutrient levels fix themselves?

21:12 Six brands of vitamin D

22:46 Fillers and what magnesium stearate is for

23:37 Read the other ingredients

24:19 Tinctures, glandulars and "grass-fed"

25:21 Plant protein versus animal protein

26:02 Adventists, Okinawa and your ancestry

28:07 Is your mouth feeding the rest of your body?

29:24 Cavitations: rarely the life changer

29:46 Thyroid, infections and nightshades

31:15 Disclaimer

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Sources are in the show notes.

Disclosure: The guests own Supreme Nutrition Products, and Dr. Motley earns an affiliate commission on it. This episode is for educational purposes only and is not medical advice.

00:00 Why a cleanse can make you feel worse

00:41 Welcome

00:52 Symptoms the labs can't explain

02:00 Disclosure: Supreme Nutrition and my affiliate code

02:45 What is total load?

03:58 Your body is a soup

05:01 Metals first? Parasites first? Why they don't prioritize

05:36 Twenty things wrong at the first visit

07:04 Do microbes make you sensitive to foods?

07:49 Reintroducing foods, then and now

08:42 Glyphosate, atrazine and the pesticide load

10:10 Organic cotton beach towels

10:58 When certified organic failed the tests

11:32 Copper on organic grapes, and the Sprouts settlement

12:14 Can herbs be contaminated too?

12:54 Wild-harvested isn't unsprayed

13:45 Store-bought detoxes and the milk thistle problem

15:22 Single herbs versus 15-ingredient formulas

17:21 The capsule math

17:41 Muscle testing and road trips to Klamath Lake

19:12 Muscle testing versus labs

19:43 Same moldy room, two different bodies

20:40 Do nutrient levels fix themselves?

21:12 Six brands of vitamin D

22:46 Fillers and what magnesium stearate is for

23:37 Read the other ingredients

24:19 Tinctures, glandulars and "grass-fed"

25:21 Plant protein versus animal protein

26:02 Adventists, Okinawa and your ancestry

28:07 Is your mouth feeding the rest of your body?

29:24 Cavitations: rarely the life changer

29:46 Thyroid, infections and nightshades

31:15 Disclaimer

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Spinning attacks, a full ear, a roar you can’t shut off: that’s the classic Ménière’s picture. But a migraine that never causes a headache can mimic it almost exactly. Dr. Chris Motley explains the one test that tells them apart (the audiogram), why every Ménière’s treatment seems to work (in the biggest drug trial, the placebo group got better too), what Chinese medicine wrote about the spinning room 1,800 years ago, and four steps to take before anyone treats your ear. Sources are in the show notes. Educational only, not medical advice.

0:00 The spinning room: is it really Ménière's?

1:03 Welcome to the Ancient Health Podcast

1:16 What a definite Ménière's diagnosis requires

3:00 Vestibular migraine: the condition that mimics it

4:05 The one test that tells them apart: the audiogram

4:32 Why the right label matters before treating the ear

6:53 Why every treatment seems to work

7:56 The betahistine trial: the placebo group got better too

10:00 A crack in the fluid-pressure theory

11:20 What happens when Ménière's comes into my office

12:24 A patient story: vertigo, tinnitus, and afternoon fatigue

13:50 The kidney meridian and the 3 to 5 p.m. window

15:35 Tongue, pulse, and EAV testing

18:20 The urinalysis and the audiologist's results

21:03 Chinese medicine, the spleen, kidneys, and fluid

23:15 Supporting the spleen, kidneys, and lymph

24:58 Homeopathic remedies for vertigo

26:52 Herbs for the kidneys: uva ursi and chanca piedra

27:55 Supplements for the spleen

30:06 Four steps to take this week

31:32 Closing thoughts

32:34 Disclaimer

Supplements Dr. Motley recommends:

SPLEEN

Spleeno-Lyph by Nutri-West

Spleen PMG by Standard Process: ⁠https://us.fullscript.com/welcome/doctormotley/signup⁠

Albizia Supreme by Supreme Nutrition: ⁠https://shop.supremenutritionproducts.com/?aff=28⁠

KIDNEY

Uva Ursi by Supreme Nutrition: ⁠https://shop.supremenutritionproducts.com/?aff=28⁠

Body Guard by Supreme Nutrition: ⁠https://shop.supremenutritionproducts.com/?aff=28⁠

Cranberry

UT Vibrance

Homeopathics that help with vertigo:

DesBio "Dizzy": https://dbscript.com/?direct=drmotley

Professional Formulas "Vertigo Syncope": https://professionalformulas.com/patientcode/?doctorname=Christopher&doctor_code=GXN776D

Vertigoheel

Standard Process Spleen PMG: https://us.fullscript.com/welcome/doctormotley/signup⁠

The common four herbs that help with vertigo:

Cocculus

Conium

Theridion

Ambra

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The viral fungus numbers are real: about 7,300 deaths and 130,000 hospitalizations a year, per the CDC. But those figures count fungal infections, not the mold behind your shower. Dr. Chris Motley explains what damp buildings probably do to health (asthma, wheeze, cough, respiratory infections), why a urine mycotoxin test can't tell you if your home is making you sick, how Chinese Medicine describes "dampness," and the step that matters most: find the water.

Sources below. Educational only, not medical advice.

Mold Testing:

ImmunoLytics: https://immunolytics.com/?wpam_id=474

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Tight jaw, shoulders up by your ears, waking at 3 a.m.? Somatic movement teacher Liz Tenuto, author of When the Body Speaks, joins Dr. Chris Motley to explore where the body holds stress, why she favors tiny, lazy movements over force, why animals shake it off, and how to recognize when you’re still bracing. Dr. Motley adds the Chinese Medicine perspective on the jaw and waking at 3 a.m.

Sources and corrections are included in the show notes.

Content note: This episode discusses trauma, emotional healing, and the mind-body connection. Take care while listening, and feel free to pause or skip around if you need to.

Educational only, not medical advice.

Chapters:

00:00 Cold open: where your body holds stress

00:44 Welcome: Liz Tenuto, somatic movement teacher

02:45 Ten years without sleep, and everything she tried

03:51 "People rolling around on the floor in their pajamas"

04:47 Inside a somatic class: the laziest movements possible

05:52 From workhorse to gentle, and what surfaced

07:06 A dancer, disconnected from her emotional body

08:45 Does the body remember?

11:55 Dance, EMDR, and life before The Body Keeps the Score

13:23 Is fascia a highway for emotion?

15:00 Shoulders at her ears, and the saran wrap picture

16:58 Tiny lazy movements and new pathways

18:30 Calm, wired, or shut down: the "Goldilocks" state

19:41 Why people keep going back to the chiropractor

20:46 Calm takes reps

22:09 How your body learns tension

25:02 Can a stuck joint slow your lymph?

26:17 Dr. Motley's method: meridians, muscles, and the liver

30:17 An old basketball injury and three months of brain fog

33:10 How Liz starts with a new client

34:41 Why animals shake it off

38:04 Where your body holds stress: hips, shoulders, neck, jaw

39:48 Jaw tension, TMJ, and the Gallbladder channel

41:17 How long does it take?

42:29 Why forcing a release backfires

44:37 Why Dr. Motley tells patients a year

45:31 Signs you're storing stress

46:40 3 a.m., your lungs, and the Chinese medicine clock

47:35 What letting go feels like

49:24 Where to find Liz

50:50 Closing thoughts

52:09 Disclaimer

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Tired, losing hair, and told your labs are “normal”? Endocrinologist Dr. Cassie Smith explains the new 2026 American Society of Hematology ferritin thresholds, why your thyroid needs iron, the pregnancy thyroid rule every woman on thyroid medication should know, the gut signs you may be ignoring, and her honest take on GLP-1 drugs. With Dr. Chris Motley.

00:00 Dr. Cassie Smith is back

01:08 Graves' disease in med school, at 130 beats a minute

02:38 "Normal" labs, and the fertility questions you sent in

03:33 Why fertility starts in the gut, and PCOS gets a new name

04:30 What birth control does to your gut bacteria

06:21 Thyroid, nutrients, and early miscarriage

07:07 Why your TSH drops when you get pregnant

08:13 On thyroid medicine? The nine-dose rule

09:07 Which probiotic? The Akkermansia gap

10:58 After a miscarriage: the labs to ask for

13:02 Thinning hair and the new ferritin guidelines

14:58 A tongue and pulse read, and a ferritin result

17:24 Gut warning signs: bloating, reflux, gas

18:38 Acne, rashes, and swollen joints

19:57 Depression and anxiety after a baby

20:39 Can you inherit a bad gut?

21:56 Glutamine, butyrate, and the scab rule

24:42 Fiber, and the free fixes nobody can sell you

26:34 Gluten, Roundup, and your thyroid

28:53 GLP-1s: an endocrinologist's honest take

30:42 Insulin as traffic cop

32:27 Why kids stop eating when they're full

33:15 Using GLP-1s right: protein, water, weights, then stop

34:32 Where to find Dr. Smith

35:11 An endocrinologist who wants to learn acupuncture

37:50 Teeth, meridians, and infertility

39:38 Closing thoughts

41:28 Disclaimer

Sources are included in the show notes. Educational only - not medical advice.

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