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When the Finish Line Is Over - Tim Gorichanaz on Western States, Post-Race Blues and What Comes Next
2026/09/22 | 1h 1 mins.Tim Gorichanaz didn't grow up athletic. His path into running started with a family 5K, moved quickly into marathons, and eventually led to ultrarunning and a nearly decade-long pursuit of Western States.
In this conversation, Scott and Tim talk about that journey - from Tim's first 50K in a Wisconsin blizzard to finally earning his spot at Western States, only to spend months injured during the build-up.
Tim shares what it was like to fight cutoffs all day, finish Western States in the Golden Hour, and experience the emotional intensity of finally reaching a goal he'd been chasing for years.
They also dig into something that doesn't get talked about nearly enough, post-race blues. Tim explains why finishing a huge goal can feel like losing an entire world you built your life around and why simply signing up for another race may not be the answer.
Along the way they talk nutrition, minimalist running, longevity in the sport, Tim's recent 130-mile Ring of Fire finish in Wales, and his upcoming ultra-running novel.
Chapters
00:00 – Meet Tim Gorichanaz
04:40 – From couch potato to ultrarunner
09:20 – Nutrition, recovery and minimalist running
22:40 – The long road to Western States
28:15 – Finishing in the Golden Hour
31:55 – Post-race blues and what comes next
39:10 – Ring of Fire: 130 miles around Anglesey
45:30 – Writing The Pennsylvania Death Race
Connect with Tim
Instagram: @timgorichanaz
Website:Â timgorichanaz.com- Blake Nations used to joke that he'd only run if it was raining and he needed to get to his car. A couple of years later, he's finished his first ultra and is training for the Never Summer 100K.
In this conversation, Scott and Blake explore the crossover between ultrarunning, backcountry hunting, and learning how to stay in the fight when things get uncomfortable.
Blake shares how moving to Colorado and getting humbled in the mountains changed the way he thought about fitness, why running became a tool for becoming a better hunter, and how gradually pushing his distance helped him redefine what "far" meant.
They also talk about Blake's first 50K, the fueling mistake that turned his final miles into a GI survival exercise, preparing for the jump to 100K, balancing big endurance goals with hunting season, and why some of the most valuable lessons happen long before the finish line.
At the heart of the conversation is a simple idea - sometimes the real win is learning not to negotiate with the voice telling you to quit.
Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Blake Nations and His Journey
02:01 Blake's Unconventional Childhood and Military Experience
04:58 Transitioning to Colorado and the Love for Hunting
07:23 The Intersection of Endurance Running and Hunting
10:15 Mental Toughness in Ultra Running and Hunting
13:07 Blake's Ultra Running Journey and Challenges
16:46 Preparing for the Never Summer Ultra
20:28 Balancing Training and Recovery for Hunting and Racing
21:49 Understanding the Journey of Running
27:49 Lessons from Ultra Running and Fueling Strategies
36:09 The Importance of Community in Endurance Sports
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Connect with Blake
Instagram: Blake Nations
Nations Prime Ranch: Nations Prime Ranch - Hardrock 100 puts just 146 runners into one of the most remote and demanding mountain races in ultrarunning. Supporting them requires approximately 650 volunteers, specialized safety sweepers, hike-in aid stations, four-wheel-drive transportation and nearly a full year of planning.
Bill Schum, Hardrock's volunteer coordinator and an aid-station captain, takes Scott behind the scenes of the legendary 100-mile race through Colorado's San Juan Mountains.
Bill explains how volunteers support runners across a 48-hour event with roughly 33,000 feet of climbing. Some carry supplies into remote aid stations. Others spend two nights in the mountains, clear the course, manage traffic, provide medical support, or follow the final runners across passes above 13,000 feet.
He also shares some unforgettable moments from the course: volunteers searching for a missing pacer, a runner receiving the shoelace directly from a volunteer's shoe, a surprise bear at an aid station, and the wildfire smoke that kept Bill awake for 64 consecutive hours.
Along the way, Bill reveals what the back of the pack experiences at Hardrock, how technology has changed remote aid-station operations, and why every runner should expect the race to be harder and much slower than imagined.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Bill Schum and the Hard Rock 100
01:05 Bill's background and how he got involved in ultramarathons
02:13 Overview of the Hard Rock 100 race
03:43 Starting race planning and volunteer recruitment
05:14 Details of aid station setup and logistics
07:59 Managing remote aid stations and safety sweepers
14:07 Memorable wildlife encounters during the race
19:17 The most rewarding parts of the race experience
21:49 Impact of technology on race management
24:26 Race week sleep schedule and challenges
27:10 Advice for future Hard Rock runners
28:46 Closing thoughts and encouragement to spectate or volunteer
Learn more about Hardrock 100
Official Hardrock 100 website:
https://hardrock100.com/
Hardrock volunteer information:
https://hardrock100.com/hardrock-volunteers.php
Course description and safety information:
https://hardrock100.com/hardrock-course.php - Finishing last isn't the same as failing. Ultrarunner and race director Mandy Hansel shares what her DFL finishes have taught her about courage, cutoffs, and creating races where every participant feels welcome.
At the back of the pack, the aid stations may be picked over, the course markers may be coming down, and long stretches of the race may be spent entirely alone. Mandy has experienced all of it, from having a sweeper push her out of an aid station to being cut halfway through a race she had trained hard to finish.
Those experiences helped shape the kind of race director she wanted to become. Mandy, co-founder of Storm Sporting Events, joins Scott to talk about the mental strength required at the back of the pack, the fear of finishing last, and why a DFL finisher can deserve the same celebration as the person who came in first.
They also explore fixed-time events as an approachable way to take on something big, what race directors can do to create a more inclusive experience, and how Storm Sporting Events uses its races to support youth mental health in southeastern Minnesota.
Chapters
(00:00) Meet Mandy Hansel and the meaning of DFL
(01:51) From road running to Mandy's first ultra
(04:24) How Storm Sporting Events began
(06:52) What finishing DFL taught Mandy
(08:12) Race cutoffs and choosing the right event
(10:12) Keeping the finish line up for every runner
(12:37) What runners experience at the back of the pack
(14:45) Chasing cutoffs and dealing with imposter syndrome
(15:59) The fear of finishing last
(16:29) Why Storm gives an award to its DFL finisher
(19:35) Storm the Day and the appeal of fixed-time events
(22:01) Turning race registrations into support for youth mental health
(24:23) Mandy's encouragement to runners who are afraid to try
Connect with Mandy
Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/girl_out_doing_what_she_loves/
Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/mandyl.hansel/
The Storm Trail Race Series
Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/thestormtrs/
Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/thestormtrailraceseries/
Storm Sporting Events
Website:
https://www.stormsportingevents.org/
Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/stormsportingevents/
Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/StormSportingEvents/ - How fast should you actually be moving at mile 20, 50 or 80 of an ultra?
Danny Murphy is an ultrarunner, engineer and the founder of UltraPacer, a race-planning tool designed to account for the things that make trail racing complicated including elevation, terrain, altitude, heat, fatigue and even darkness.
Scott and Danny talk about how UltraPacer started as a spreadsheet Danny built while preparing for his first 100K, why evenly pacing an ultramarathon usually isn't realistic, and how runners can use pacing data without becoming completely tied to a spreadsheet on race day.
They also dig into race-day strategy, setting realistic goals, using training runs to test a race plan, and why a good pacing plan may be just as useful for your crew as it is for you.
Chapters
00:00 – Meet Danny Murphy and the story behind UltraPacer
02:00 – Modeling elevation, terrain, heat, altitude and fatigue
05:00 – How the pacing models were built
07:45 – Why ultrarunners slow down
09:30 – Elite pacing vs. everyday runners
10:20 – Using your training to set realistic race goals
13:00 – When a pacing plan is too aggressive
15:30 – How to actually use a pacing plan on race day
17:00 – How UltraPacer helps crews
18:15 – When to adjust your race-day goal
22:15 – Building and improving UltraPacer
25:00 – What's coming next
27:00 – How first-time ultrarunners can use UltraPacer
30:45 – UltraPacer tools for coaches
32:15 – Ultra chores?
33:00 – Where to find UltraPacer
Connect with UltraPacer
Website: https://ultrapacer.com
Instagram: @ultrapacer
Facebook: ultrapacer
About UltraPacer
UltraPacer helps runners create race plans based on the actual demands of a course rather than relying on one average pace. Runners can account for variables including grade, terrain, altitude, heat, fatigue and darkness, then use those estimates to better understand what race day may look like.
The majority of UltraPacer's features are available for free, and runners can use existing courses or upload their own GPX file to start building a plan.
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