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Lesser-known women whose lives were upended by the Kennedy men, including the tragic stories of Mary Jo Kopechne, Martha Moxley, and Pamela Kelley.

(00:02:26) 👩‍❤️‍💋‍👨 Mary Jo Kopechne — the devoted boiler room girl, her deep connection to Bobby Kennedy, and the events leading to Chappaquiddick
(00:17:13) 🚗 Chappaquiddick Crash — Ted Kennedy’s account, the delayed response, and the heartbreaking aftermath for Mary Jo
(00:38:19) 🕵️ Martha Moxley Murder — the Greenwich tragedy, the Skakel brothers, and decades of questions around the case
(00:50:19) ⚖️ Michael Skakel Conviction — the trial, alleged confessions, family involvement, and why justice still feels incomplete
(00:58:43) 🚗 Pamela Kelley — the devastating Jeep crash with Joseph Kennedy II, lifelong consequences, and the promise that was never kept
(01:01:13) 💔 The Human Cost — Pamela’s fight for support, the family’s silence, and reflections on accountability

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In this episode we are discussing Dua Lipa’s highly anticipated wedding looks, Taylor Swift’s Rhode Island bachelorette, Gisele Bundchen’s Father’s Day post, and a full recap of the chilling new Netflix documentary Maternal Instinct.

(00:02:21) 👰 Dua Lipa Wedding Fashion — glittering Versace bachelorette vibes, the courthouse look, and full thoughts on that Chanel couture dress
(00:16:22) 💍 Taylor Swift Bachelorette — Watch Hill chaos, Holiday House vibes, and what we’re seeing from the weekend
(00:20:36) 👀 Blake Lively Spotted — the olive branch rumors, grim errands photos, and what it all means for wedding watch
(00:26:44) 🕵️ Nancy Guthrie Update — the latest on the ransom notes and where the case stands now
(00:35:49) 👨‍👩‍👧 Gisele Bundchen Father’s Day Post — her glowing tribute to Joaquim Valente and the very pointed Tom Brady snub
(00:39:10) 🍼 Maternal Instinct Netflix — full recap and thoughts on the shocking true story (major trigger warning, full spoilers after the break)

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In this episode we will be discussing celebrity family tension, a very public new romance, old friendships hitting rough patches, and what’s unfolding on the newest Summer House spin-off.

(00:00:04) 💁‍♀️ Hair Talk & Relationship Check-In — Lauren & Chanler pastel looks and the perfect NYC weekend
(00:04:14) 💍 Taylor Swift Wedding Rumors — MSG plans, Police Commissioner comments & hope for fans
(00:11:21) 👀 Keleigh Teller & Taylor Swift Fallout — Page Six bombshell & friendship details
(00:21:56) 👨‍👩‍👧 Beckham Family Drama — Harper’s letter, Brooklyn feud & staged photos
(00:26:50) 📻 Alex Cooper & Matt Kaplan — Vanity Fair article, Unwell drama & workplace claims
(00:42:50) 💔 Joe Alwyn & Sarah Pidgeon — PDA spotted in Brooklyn & new couple moments
(00:50:16) 🔥 Summer House West Exit — Lindsay threads post & reunion aftermath
(00:56:53) 📺 In The City Talk — Kenny, Yvonne & new season thoughts

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(00:00:04) ✈️ Italy Trip Recap — Capri pronunciation debates, European girl energy, and post-vacation vibes
(00:03:53) 💍 Taylor Swift & Travis Kelce Wedding Rumors — Madison Square Garden plans, guest list chaos, and helicopter theories
(00:26:10) 👰 Dua Lipa & Callum Turner Wedding — the lavish multi-day celebration in Italy and all the iconic fashion
(00:35:12) 🏎️ Kim Kardashian & Lewis Hamilton — Monaco Grand Prix support, public moments, and relationship questions
(00:38:29) ⚖️ Karen Read Lawsuit Update — new filings against the Massachusetts State Police and ongoing drama
(00:43:50) 💔 Ariana Grande & Ethan Slater Split — the end of the relationship and what it all means
(00:43:36) 📸 Wedding Photo Dump Etiquette — destination wedding carousels, bride mentions, and modern etiquette debates
(00:55:05) 🔥 Summer House Reunion Part 2 — West & Amanda dynamics, tough conversations, and cast reactions

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Lauren and Chanler are back with the long-awaited deep dive into Maureen Callahan’s book Ask Not: The Kennedys and the Women They Destroyed. Including a raw, unflinching look at Jackie Kennedy Onassis, the Kennedy men, and the women who lived in their orbit.

(00:02:53) 📖 Jackie Kennedy Onassis — the woman behind the myth, her early life, and the Kennedy world she entered
(00:07:06) 📖 'Ask Not' Biography — Maureen Callahan’s book and why we’re obsessed with the Kennedy women
(00:09:44) 👠 Jackie’s Early Years — Black Jack Bouvier, mother dynamic, and the lessons that shaped her
(00:22:56) 💍 Jackie Meets JFK — the courtship, hard-to-get energy, and early marriage struggles
(00:33:47) 💔 Jackie’s Pain & JFK’s Failures — miscarriages, depression, and the stillbirth of Arabella
(00:38:30) 🕊️The Assassination & Camelot — Jackie’s strength, the blood-stained suit, and her myth-making
(01:06:04) 💍 Jackie & Aristotle Onassis — the controversial marriage, prenup clauses, and later independence
(01:17:05) 🌟 Jackie’s Final Chapter — her publishing career, quiet love, and powerful legacy

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