Neurodiversity Podcast

When raising or teaching gifted, twice-exceptional, and differently wired children, adults often face the emotional whiplash of asynchronous development. A child might engage in deep, high-level discussions one moment, only to struggle with basic emotional regulation, task initiation, or practical organization the next. Colleen Kessler, an educator, gifted specialist, author of The Homeschool Advantage, and host of the Raising Lifelong Learners podcast, joins Emily to discuss why supporting neurodivergent kids requires shifting away from one-size-fits-all expectations and becoming an active student of the individual child.
TAKEAWAYS
Asynchronous development is a natural hallmark of neurodivergence where intellectual, emotional, and physical capacities develop at markedly different rates.

Becoming a student of the child allows adults to separate neurological wiring differences from behavioral choices, leading to more effective scaffolding.

Authentic strengths-based learning uses a student's high-interest areas to build the confidence and resilience to tackle difficult academic tasks.

Testing critical thinking or scientific understanding can be separated from writing output by utilizing speech-to-text tools and alternative dictation methods.

Highly capable learners often mask executive functioning deficits until cumulative demands outpace their early compensatory strategies.

Being an effective advocate requires ongoing, collaborative communication between home and school rather than relying solely on formal annual meetings.

Mental health clinicians: Telling a child about a new diagnosis can feel like navigating a minefield, but it doesn't have to. We're hosting a training with Dr. Liz Angoff, called Explaining a Diagnosis to Kids in a Neurodiversity-Affirming Way, on Friday, September 11th from 2:00 to 3:30 Eastern. The course is worth 1.5 continuing education hours, and is approved through both the APA and NBCC.
You'll learn how to replace pathologizing jargon with empowering, neurodiversity-affirming language that builds self-advocacy and resilience. Register for this course today.
Colleen Kessler is an author, educator, educational consultant, and international speaker specializing in gifted, twice-exceptional, and other neurodivergent learners. With degrees in elementary education and gifted studies, she helps parents, educators, and clinicians better understand and support the social, emotional, and executive functioning needs of neurodivergent children through a strengths-based, neurodiversity-affirming approach.
Colleen is the founder of Raising Lifelong Learners and the host of the Raising Lifelong Learners podcast. Through her books, executive function resources, educational consulting, coaching programs, and The Learner's Lab membership community, she equips families with practical strategies to foster confidence, resilience, meaningful relationships, and a lifelong love of learning. Combining professional expertise with lived experience, Colleen empowers families to recognize and celebrate each child's unique strengths.
BACKGROUND READING
Colleen's website, Raising Lifelong Learners podcast, Learner's Lab, books, classes, Instagram, Facebook, Pinterest, TikTok
The Neurodiversity Podcast is on Facebook, Instagram, BlueSky, and you're invited to join our Facebook Group. For more information go to www.NeurodiversityPodcast.com
If you'd like members of your organization, school district, or company to know more about the subjects discussed on our podcast, Emily Kircher-Morris provides keynote addresses, workshops, and training sessions worldwide, in-person or virtually. You can choose from a list of established presentations, or work with Emily to develop a custom talk to fit your unique situation. To learn more, visit our website.

When supporting neurodivergent kids, adults often struggle to balance when to gently challenge a child and when to pull back to prevent nervous system overload. Pushing too hard risks chronic distress and shutdown, but overprotecting can unintentionally create learned helplessness and limit opportunities for growth. Emily welcomes Dr. Emily King, a child psychologist, former school psychologist, and author of The Neurodivergent Learner, to talk about how parents and educators can work together to read a child's true capacity and build authentic engagement in school and at home.
TAKEAWAYS
Determining whether to challenge or accommodate a student depends on reading their real-time nervous system capacity, daily stamina, and baseline emotional regulation.

Distinguishing between learned helplessness and true defeat requires looking at a child's underlying mood rather than just their surface-level task avoidance.

Differences in how a child behaves at home versus school provide important clues about their masking demands, relationship safety, and sensory fatigue across environments.

Meaningful parent-teacher partnerships focus on cross-checking patterns and discovering what already works in one setting to replicate that success in another.

Special interests should be honored as tools for genuine emotional expression and connection rather than used as behavioral leverage to force compliance.

Effective school advocacy thrives on frequent, informal check-ins about everyday strategies rather than waiting solely for formal annual meetings.

Get the pre-order bonus for Dr. King's new book.
Mental health clinicians: Telling a child about a new diagnosis can feel like navigating a minefield, but it doesn't have to. We're hosting a training with Dr. Liz Angoff, called Explaining a Diagnosis to Kids in a Neurodiversity-Affirming Way, on Friday, September 11th from 2:00 to 3:30 Eastern. The course is worth 1.5 continuing education hours, and is approved through both the APA and NBCC.
You'll learn how to replace pathologizing jargon with empowering, neurodiversity-affirming language that builds self-advocacy and resilience. Register for this course today.
Dr. Emily King is a child psychologist with more than 20 years of experience supporting neurodivergent learners and their families. She earned her Ph.D. in School Psychology from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and began her career providing school-based mental health services in K–12 public schools in Houston, Texas. She now works in private practice in North Carolina, specializing in the mental health, executive functioning, and social-emotional needs of neurodivergent youth.
Dr. Emily is the creator of The Neurodiverse Classroom®, a professional development curriculum for educators, and the author of The Neurodivergent Learner. She also hosts Learn with Dr. Emily on Substack, where she shares parent workshops, resources, and practical strategies to help families and educators better support neurodivergent children and teens.
BACKGROUND READING
Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, Emily's new book
The Neurodiversity Podcast is on Facebook, Instagram, BlueSky, and you're invited to join our Facebook Group. For more information go to www.NeurodiversityPodcast.com
If you'd like members of your organization, school district, or company to know more about the subjects discussed on our podcast, Emily Kircher-Morris provides keynote addresses, workshops, and training sessions worldwide, in-person or virtually. You can choose from a list of established presentations, or work with Emily to develop a custom talk to fit your unique situation. To learn more, visit our website.

It's easy to view academic difficulties and mental health challenges as two separate issues when a child struggles. However, the emotional toll of an unaddressed learning difference often leads to chronic anxiety, low self-esteem, and a loss of motivation. Dr. Karen Wilson is a pediatric neuropsychologist and the host of the Diverse Thinking-Different Learning Podcast, and she joins Emily this week to talk about the deep overlap between learning differences and emotional well-being.
TAKEAWAYS
Learning differences and mental health challenges are deeply connected, with neurodivergent kids experiencing higher rates of anxiety and depression than the general population.

Kids notice and internalize daily academic struggles long before an official diagnosis, often assuming their difficulties are signs of personal flaws rather than a neurodivergent profile.

Chronic academic often undermines motivation by breaking the expected relationship between hard work and successful outcomes.

Evaluating whether anxiety or an executive functioning difference came first requires building a clear developmental timeline through family and academic histories.

Complex tasks like writing demand a high executive functioning load, requiring students to juggle task initiation, working memory, organization, and emotional regulation all at once.

Long-term independence often requires pairing classroom accommodations with explicit skill building and self-advocacy training, so students can understand themselves and self-advocate.

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Dr. Karen Wilson is a pediatric neuropsychologist specializing in the intersection of learning, mental health, and identity in children and adolescents who learn and think differently. With over 20 years of clinical, academic, and research experience, including faculty and training roles at UCLA, she brings deep expertise in neurodevelopment, executive functioning, and comprehensive assessment across diverse populations.
Dr. Wilson's work is grounded in a neurodiversity-affirming, equity-focused approach that considers how social, cultural, and systemic factors shape the identification and support of neurodivergent learners. She is the host of the Diverse Thinking · Different Learning podcast and an expert with Understood.org, where she translates complex neuropsychological concepts into practical strategies. Her work helps families, educators, and organizations move beyond labels to better understand and support the whole child.
BACKGROUND READING
Diverse Thinking Different Learning Podcast, Instagram, LinkedIn
The Neurodiversity Podcast is on Facebook, Instagram, BlueSky, and you're invited to join our Facebook Group. For more information go to www.NeurodiversityPodcast.com
If you'd like members of your organization, school district, or company to know more about the subjects discussed on our podcast, Emily Kircher-Morris provides keynote addresses, workshops, and training sessions worldwide, in-person or virtually. You can choose from a list of established presentations, or work with Emily to develop a custom talk to fit your unique situation. To learn more, visit our website.

As public understanding of neurodiversity continues to grow, evaluators face a shifting landscape when assessing clients whose traits don't match traditional, less nuanced pictures of autism. Many individuals—especially women and girls—learn to navigate daily social interactions through pattern recognition and learned strategies rather than intuitive processing, masking their traits enough to miss early identification. Dr. Jeremy Sharp, a licensed psychologist, founder of the Colorado Center for Assessment, and host of the Testing Psychologist Podcast, joins Emily to unpack the realities of camouflaging and what it takes to catch these less obvious presentations during a diagnostic evaluation.
TAKEAWAYS
The increasing prevalence of self-identification and online research requires evaluators to look beyond traditional, high-support presentation models when assessing for autism.

Camouflaging and masking rely on active cognitive problem-solving and pattern recognition rather than intuitive social processing, creating high internal fatigue that standard testing environments can miss.

Structured, one-on-one assessment settings can artificially boost a person's immediate social performance, making ambiguous or unstructured interactions essential during clinical observations.

Traditional assessment tools like the ADOS can be less sensitive when evaluating females, who often demonstrate higher surface social fluency and culturally common special interests.

Arriving at an accurate diagnostic picture requires gathering broad collateral information from parents, partners, and teachers rather than relying on a single test score.

You can register now for our upcoming continuing education course for mental health professionals, Clinical Implications of Late-Identified Neurodivergence: Strategies for Identity Integration and Therapeutic Support. The course will be presented by Dr. Amy Marschall, author of the book Neurodiversity-Affirming Therapy, and will be available both as a live event on Friday, August 7 from 2:00 - 3:30 PM Eastern, 11:00 AM - 12:30 PM Pacific, and afterwards in video form. Both versions are worth 1.5 hours of APA and NBCC-approved CE credits. Register here.
Dr. Jeremy Sharp is a licensed psychologist and Director at the Colorado Center for Assessment, a multimillion-dollar private practice that he founded in 2009. He specializes in psychological and neuropsychological evaluation with kids and adolescents.
As the host of the Testing Psychologist Podcast and consultant for clinicians, Dr. Sharp provides private practice coaching for psychologists and other mental health professionals who want to start or grow assessment services in their practices.
In 2020, Dr. Sharp partnered with a seasoned software developer to co-found Reverb, the premier AI report-writing platform for testing psychologists that helps clinicians write faster, better reports and get their time back for what matters most.
Dr. Sharp earned his undergraduate degree in Experimental Psychology from the University of South Carolina before getting a Master's and PhD in Counseling Psychology from Colorado State University. He lives in Fort Collins, Colorado with his wife (also a therapist) and two teenagers.
BACKGROUND READING
Jeremy's website, Testing Psychologist podcast, Facebook, LinkedIn
The Neurodiversity Podcast is on Facebook, Instagram, BlueSky, and you're invited to join our Facebook Group. For more information go to www.NeurodiversityPodcast.com
If you'd like members of your organization, school district, or company to know more about the subjects discussed on our podcast, Emily Kircher-Morris provides keynote addresses, workshops, and training sessions worldwide, in-person or virtually. You can choose from a list of established presentations, or work with Emily to develop a custom talk to fit your unique situation. To learn more, visit our website.

Often, autistic girls are called shy, introverted, perfectionistic, confused, anything BUT autistic. There is a pervasive impression, even in the medical community, that autism occurs in boys vastly more often than girls. The result is, autistic girls are missing out on services and tools that are available to them. Holly Blanc Moses is a therapist, and the host of the Autism ADHD Podcast, and she joins Emily Kircher-Morris in this encore presentation to talk about missing autism in girls.
You can register now for our upcoming continuing education course for mental health professionals, Clinical Implications of Late-Identified Neurodivergence: Strategies for Identity Integration and Therapeutic Support. The course will be presented by Dr. Amy Marschall, author of the book Neurodiversity-Affirming Therapy, and will be available both as a live event on Friday, August 7 from 2:00 - 3:30 PM Eastern, 11:00 AM - 12:30 PM Pacific, and afterwards in video form. Both versions are worth 1.5 hours of APA and NBCC-approved CE credits. Register here.
Holly Blanc Moses is a Licensed Psychological Associate, a Licensed Clinical Mental Health Counselor, and an ADHD Certified Clinical Services Provider with over 23 years of experience in ADHD, Autism, and anxiety. Over the last 23 years, she has provided mental health therapy in the areas of emotional regulation, anxiety, social interaction, depression, parent-child relationship, and school success. She is the host of The Autism ADHD Podcast and Autism ADHD TV. Holly is also the mother of two neurodivergent children.
BACKGROUND READING
The Autism ADHD Podcast, Autism ADHD TV, Facebook parent group, Facebook professionals group, Holly's private practice, Holly's education and course website
The Neurodiversity Podcast is on Facebook, Instagram, BlueSky, and you're invited to join our Facebook Group. For more information go to www.NeurodiversityPodcast.com
If you'd like members of your organization, school district, or company to know more about the subjects discussed on our podcast, Emily Kircher-Morris provides keynote addresses, workshops, and training sessions worldwide, in-person or virtually. You can choose from a list of established presentations, or work with Emily to develop a custom talk to fit your unique situation. To learn more, visit our website.