Neurodiversity Podcast

When autistic kids struggle, their difficulties are often treated as behavioral non-compliance or a lack of social desire, when it's often a direct mismatch with the learning environment. Adults routinely push these students into sensory-heavy spaces or force sudden task shifts, misunderstanding the neurological toll this takes on a differently wired nervous system. Pete Wharmby, an autistic author, former teacher, and late-diagnosed ADHDer, joins Emily Kircher-Morris to talk about what happens when schools and families learn to support rather than correct autistic ways of being.
TAKEAWAYS
Autistic behavior in schools is often pathologized and targeted for correction when it's likely a natural, necessary drive to decompress from sensory overload.

Monotropic focus operates like driving on a high-speed freeway, where abrupt task transitions resemble crashes and require gradual advance warning signs to exit safely.

Thin-slice judgments cause adults to mistake natural autistic communication, such as flat tone or lack of eye contact, for intentional rudeness or disrespect.

High academic performance can mask emotional distress, with deep exhaustion and low frustration tolerance serving as the real markers of masking.

Receiving late diagnoses of autism and ADHD often creates complex grief over missed accommodations and unmedicated years that could have prevented chronic burnout.

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Pete Wharmby is an autistic and ADHD advocate, bestselling author, and international speaker dedicated to increasing understanding and acceptance of neurodivergence. Since his autism diagnosis in 2017 and ADHD diagnosis in 2024, Pete has worked with businesses, governments, schools, and organizations across the UK, Europe, Australia, and North America, sharing practical insights drawn from both lived experience and research.
Pete is the author of the bestselling books What I Want to Talk About, Untypical, and the forthcoming Different Minds. A former secondary English teacher, he is also a prolific writer whose work has appeared in articles, interviews, and book chapters, and he has been featured on BBC Radio 2. Through his speaking, writing, and social media platforms, where he reaches more than 150,000 followers, Pete continues to champion a more neurodiversity-affirming world.
BACKGROUND READING
Peter's website, Facebook, Instagram
The Neurodiversity Podcast is on Facebook, Instagram, BlueSky, and you're invited to join our Facebook Group. For more information go to www.NeurodiversityPodcast.com
If you'd like members of your organization, school district, or company to know more about the subjects discussed on our podcast, Emily Kircher-Morris provides keynote addresses, workshops, and training sessions worldwide, in-person or virtually. You can choose from a list of established presentations, or work with Emily to develop a custom talk to fit your unique situation. To learn more, visit our website.
Thank you for supporting neurodivergent people.

In competitive sports, athletes who struggle to follow plays, miss subtle social cues, or freeze during high-pressure moments are often branded as uncoachable, unmotivated, or even defiant. Because athletic environments lack formal supports like IEPs or 504 plans, coaches often default to traditional, high-pressure discipline, mistaking neurological overwhelm for a lack of commitment. Courtney Edman, an executive function coach, founder of 2tametheshamE, and co-host of the See Me Podcast, joins Emily Kircher-Morris to explore what changes when coaches and families view sports through a neurodiversity-affirming lens.
TAKEAWAYS
Being coachable is not a static personality trait, it often depends on whether a coach delivers instructions in a way an athlete's brain can process and act upon.

Motivation and physical activation occur in different regions of the brain, meaning a neurodivergent athlete can be deeply motivated while still struggling with task initiation.

Athletic spaces lack formal school accommodations like 504 plans, making it important for coaches to proactively look for sensory and communication barriers rather than defaulting to discipline.

Neurodivergent athletes bring unique strengths to sports, including high-level pattern recognition, statistical recall, strategic thinking, and deep hyperfocus.

True athletic resilience is built by establishing a secure, trusting relationship with a mentor rather than subjecting young players to harsh, overwhelming environments.

Missed social cues or literal interpretations during team drills often reflect communication mismatches rather than poor sportsmanship, disrespect, or bad attitudes.

We're getting closer to our annual, free Creating Neurodiversity-Affirming Schools Crash Course. Our a panel of experts will talk all about how to approach the new school year and set our neurodivergent students up for success. The event is Tuesday, September 22 at 7:30 PM Eastern, and again, it is free to register and attend. Here's a link to register and join us!
Courtney Edman is an executive function and life skills coach, parent coach, speaker, and the founder of 2tametheshamE, Inc. She brings more than two decades of clinical and developmental expertise to her practice, including 18 years in Early Intervention supporting families through complex genetic and neurological diagnoses, NICU stays, and long-term medical care. She also served as managing director for a specialized home-based physical therapy practice treating chronic, life-shortening conditions.
Today, Courtney integrates her clinical foundation with her personal insight as a former student-athlete and parent of three adult children, including two collegiate athletes and a twice-exceptional son with ADHD and anxiety. Grounded in neurophysiology and family systems, she equips neurodivergent individuals, parents, and educators to reframe behavior, strengthen relationships, and rebuild executive functioning skills. Her work focuses on practical roadmaps that foster lasting confidence and autonomy at home, in the classroom, in the workplace, and in competition.
BACKGROUND READING
2tametheshamE, Instagram, Facebook
The Neurodiversity Podcast is on Facebook, Instagram, BlueSky, and you're invited to join our Facebook Group. For more information go to www.NeurodiversityPodcast.com
If you'd like members of your organization, school district, or company to know more about the subjects discussed on our podcast, Emily Kircher-Morris provides keynote addresses, workshops, and training sessions worldwide, in-person or virtually. You can choose from a list of established presentations, or work with Emily to develop a custom talk to fit your unique situation. To learn more, visit our website.

Today's episode is a heartfelt conversation about the importance of helping neurodivergent children understand themselves and their brain profile, and how this understanding can foster confidence and self-advocacy. Emily talks with Dr. Liz Angoff about the need for transparent communication with children about their diagnoses, and the use of relatable metaphors to explain complex concepts. They discuss collaborative approaches in assessments, the challenges of co-occurring diagnoses, and the role of parents in supporting their children. How can families find practitioners who align with neurodiversity-affirming practices, and how can that lead to understanding and acceptance for both children and their families? Get comfortable, we're revisiting a conversation that covers a lot of ground.
TAKEAWAYS
Helping kids understand their brain profiles is crucial.

Self-understanding fosters confidence and self-advocacy.

Using relatable metaphors can aid in explaining neurodiversity.

Labels can serve as anchors for understanding experiences.

Children often internalize negative labels if not addressed.

Collaborative assessments enhance understanding for both kids and parents.

Empowering parents shifts the narrative from deficits to differences.

Finding the right practitioner is essential for supportive assessments.

Normalizing neurodiversity can change family dynamics for life.

Mental health clinicians: Telling a child about a new diagnosis can feel like navigating a minefield, but it doesn't have to. We're hosting a training with Dr. Liz Angoff, called Explaining a Diagnosis to Kids in a Neurodiversity-Affirming Way, on Friday, September 11th from 2:00 to 3:30 Eastern. The course is worth 1.5 continuing education hours, and is approved through both the APA and NBCC. You'll learn how to replace pathologizing jargon with empowering, neurodiversity-affirming language that builds self-advocacy and resilience. Register for this course today.
We're getting closer to our annual, free Creating Neurodiversity-Affirming Schools Crash Course. Our panel of experts will talk all about how to approach the new school year and set our neurodivergent students up for success. The event is Tuesday, September 22 at 7:30 PM Eastern, and again, it is free to register and attend. Here's a link to register and join us!
Dr. Liz Angoff is a Licensed Educational Psychologist and a Diplomate in School Neuropsychology, specializing in assessment and consultation for children and their families in the Bay Area, California. Her work centers on helping neurodivergent children better understand and embrace how their brains work, fostering confidence, self-advocacy, and empowerment.
She is the author of the Brain Building Books and Our Brains, a series designed to support children in navigating their learning and identity through affirming, accessible language. Through her practice and writing, Dr. Liz is committed to demystifying the evaluation process and creating tools that help families and educators work together to support thriving learners.
BACKGROUND READING
Liz Angoff's website, Explaining Brains, Liz's newest book - Our Brains, tools for parents, Instagram
The Neurodiversity Podcast is on Facebook, Instagram, BlueSky, and you're invited to join our Facebook Group. For more information go to www.NeurodiversityPodcast.com
If you'd like members of your organization, school district, or company to know more about the subjects discussed on our podcast, Emily Kircher-Morris provides keynote addresses, workshops, and training sessions worldwide, in-person or virtually. You can choose from a list of established presentations, or work with Emily to develop a custom talk to fit your unique situation. To learn more, visit our website.

When people with ADHD struggle to start, return to, or finish a task, their inaction is frequently mislabeled as laziness, poor motivation, or chronic procrastination. In reality, the obstacle is rarely about logistics or effort. It stems from the emotional pre-work required just to get to the starting line. Brendan Mahan, an ADHD coach, speaker, host of the ADHD Essentials podcast, and author of Overcoming the Wall of Awful, joins Emily to talk about the emotional barriers that turn ordinary demands into overwhelming roadblocks.
TAKEAWAYS
Task paralysis is driven primarily by emotional labor and accumulated negative memories rather than simple executive dysfunction or laziness.

The emotional work required to face an anxiety-provoking task is invisible from the outside, which often cause those around you to mistake genuine freeze states for willful procrastination.

Smashing through emotional barriers using eleventh-hour panic and anger damages internal self-esteem and strains personal relationships.

Putting a door in an emotional barrier involves shifting short-term states using external scaffolding such as body doubling, high-interest music, or novel environments.

Climbing an emotional barrier requires a balance of active cognitive processing and passive mind-wandering to allow the brain's default mode network to metabolize stress.

Healthy accountability separates functional impairments from moral worth by treating ADHD symptoms with the same matter-of-fact compassion as an asthma flare-up or chronic physical condition.

Mental health clinicians: Telling a child about a new diagnosis can feel like navigating a minefield, but it doesn't have to. We're hosting a training with Dr. Liz Angoff, called Explaining a Diagnosis to Kids in a Neurodiversity-Affirming Way, on Friday, September 11th from 2:00 to 3:30 Eastern. The course is worth 1.5 continuing education hours, and is approved through both the APA and NBCC. You'll learn how to replace pathologizing jargon with empowering, neurodiversity-affirming language that builds self-advocacy and resilience. Register for this course today.
We're getting closer to our annual, free Creating Neurodiversity-Affirming Schools Crash Course. Our a panel of experts will talk all about how to approach the new school year and set our neurodivergent students up for success. The event is Tuesday, September 22 at 7:30 PM Eastern, and again, it is free to register and attend. Here's a link to register and join us!
Brendan Mahan, M.Ed., M.S. is an ADHD coach, speaker, and educator dedicated to helping neurodivergent individuals better understand and manage the challenges of ADHD. He is the author of Overcoming the Wall of Awful™ and the host of the popular ADHD Essentials Podcast, where he shares practical strategies and insights for navigating life with ADHD.
As a neurodivergent professional, Brendan brings both lived experience and professional expertise to his work with individuals, families, schools, and organizations. He serves on the board of the Men's ADHD Support Group, is the Director of Professional Resources for Calmer Con Boston, and previously served on the planning committee for the International Conference on ADHD. His work has been featured in The New York Times, The Washington Post, LinkedIn, Understood, How to ADHD, Verywell Mind, and ADDitude Magazine.
BACKGROUND READING
Overcoming the Wall of Awful, Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, BlueSky, Twitter/X
The Neurodiversity Podcast is on Facebook, Instagram, BlueSky, and you're invited to join our Facebook Group. For more information go to www.NeurodiversityPodcast.com
If you'd like members of your organization, school district, or company to know more about the subjects discussed on our podcast, Emily Kircher-Morris provides keynote addresses, workshops, and training sessions worldwide, in-person or virtually. You can choose from a list of established presentations, or work with Emily to develop a custom talk to fit your unique situation. To learn more, visit our website.
Thank you for supporting neurodivergent people.

When raising or teaching gifted, twice-exceptional, and differently wired children, adults often face the emotional whiplash of asynchronous development. A child might engage in deep, high-level discussions one moment, only to struggle with basic emotional regulation, task initiation, or practical organization the next. Colleen Kessler, an educator, gifted specialist, author of The Homeschool Advantage, and host of the Raising Lifelong Learners podcast, joins Emily to discuss why supporting neurodivergent kids requires shifting away from one-size-fits-all expectations and becoming an active student of the individual child.
TAKEAWAYS
Asynchronous development is a natural hallmark of neurodivergence where intellectual, emotional, and physical capacities develop at markedly different rates.

Becoming a student of the child allows adults to separate neurological wiring differences from behavioral choices, leading to more effective scaffolding.

Authentic strengths-based learning uses a student's high-interest areas to build the confidence and resilience to tackle difficult academic tasks.

Testing critical thinking or scientific understanding can be separated from writing output by utilizing speech-to-text tools and alternative dictation methods.

Highly capable learners often mask executive functioning deficits until cumulative demands outpace their early compensatory strategies.

Being an effective advocate requires ongoing, collaborative communication between home and school rather than relying solely on formal annual meetings.

Mental health clinicians: Telling a child about a new diagnosis can feel like navigating a minefield, but it doesn't have to. We're hosting a training with Dr. Liz Angoff, called Explaining a Diagnosis to Kids in a Neurodiversity-Affirming Way, on Friday, September 11th from 2:00 to 3:30 Eastern. The course is worth 1.5 continuing education hours, and is approved through both the APA and NBCC.
You'll learn how to replace pathologizing jargon with empowering, neurodiversity-affirming language that builds self-advocacy and resilience. Register for this course today.
Colleen Kessler is an author, educator, educational consultant, and international speaker specializing in gifted, twice-exceptional, and other neurodivergent learners. With degrees in elementary education and gifted studies, she helps parents, educators, and clinicians better understand and support the social, emotional, and executive functioning needs of neurodivergent children through a strengths-based, neurodiversity-affirming approach.
Colleen is the founder of Raising Lifelong Learners and the host of the Raising Lifelong Learners podcast. Through her books, executive function resources, educational consulting, coaching programs, and The Learner's Lab membership community, she equips families with practical strategies to foster confidence, resilience, meaningful relationships, and a lifelong love of learning. Combining professional expertise with lived experience, Colleen empowers families to recognize and celebrate each child's unique strengths.
BACKGROUND READING
Colleen's website, Raising Lifelong Learners podcast, Learner's Lab, books, classes, Instagram, Facebook, Pinterest, TikTok
The Neurodiversity Podcast is on Facebook, Instagram, BlueSky, and you're invited to join our Facebook Group. For more information go to www.NeurodiversityPodcast.com
If you'd like members of your organization, school district, or company to know more about the subjects discussed on our podcast, Emily Kircher-Morris provides keynote addresses, workshops, and training sessions worldwide, in-person or virtually. You can choose from a list of established presentations, or work with Emily to develop a custom talk to fit your unique situation. To learn more, visit our website.