Just Fly Performance Podcast

• 490: Austin Jochum on Engineering an Elite Training Stimulus

  Today’s guest is Austin Jochum. Austin Jochum is the founder of Jochum Strength, a former All-Conference safety turned performance coach known for playful, movement-rich training. He blends strength, speed, and adaptability to help athletes build real-world capability and enjoy the process. So often, coaches inadvertently play by the formal “rules” of coaching, through substantial instruction, within smaller boxes of training. Gameplay and sport itself are the ultimate example of task-based stimulation, chaos, and problem-solving, and the more we learn from it, the more effective our training can become. In this episode, Austin Jochum and I explore how coaching transforms when you trade rigid cues for play, stimulus, and athlete-driven learning. We dig into why intent and novelty matter, how to “win the day” without chasing constant PRs, and the power of environments that let athletes self-organize. Austin speaks on his recent dive into improving his Olympic lifting, and subsequent improvement in explosive athletic power, along with the masculine and feminine nature of the snatch and clean and jerk, respectively. Finally, Austin also breaks down the JST Olympics—his team-based approach that’s exploding motivation, competition, and performance in the gym. Today’s episode is brought to you by Hammer Strength and LILA Exogen wearable resistance. Use the code “justfly20” for 20% off any Lila Exogen wearable resistance training, including the popular Exogen Calf Sleeves. For this offer, head to Lilateam.com Use code “justfly10” for 10% off the Vert Trainer View more podcast episodes at the podcast homepage. (https://www.just-fly-sports.com/podcast-home/) 0:00 – Austin’s background, wrestling influence, and early training lens 8:12 – How wrestling shaped his coaching, problem-solving, and creativity 14:30 – Working with movement constraints, unpredictability, and the “maze” idea 22:40 – Why he prioritizes exploration over instruction 31:18 – Building athletic bandwidth through games and environmental design 38:01 – Touch on wrestling in training and contact-oriented movement 45:10 – Heavy rope training, rhythm, and full-body sequencing 52:46 – Hiring coaches and building culture inside his gym 1:01:37 – Athlete intuitiveness, imitation, and imitation-driven learning 1:10:55 – Recovery methods, cold exposure, and principles behind them 1:18:42 – Breathing mechanics, sensory awareness, and relaxation 1:24:52 – Tempo, rhythm, and “feel” in athletic movement 1:30:48 – Coaching philosophy and where Austin is heading next Actionable Takeaways 8:12 – Use problem-solving sports to shape athletic intelligence Wrestling taught Austin to read bodies, adapt instantly, and explore solutions without external cues. Add low-level grappling or tagging games to build instinctive reaction. Favor tasks where athletes solve problems on their own rather than through constant cueing. Let athletes “feel” leverage, pressure, and timing instead of explaining it. 14:30 – Build constraints that shape behavior instead of commanding technique Austin’s “maze” concept uses environment and rules to funnel athletes into better movement patterns. Use boundaries, footwork boxes, or timing rules to nudge athletes into desired solutions. Ask “what would make the athlete naturally move better?” instead of “how do I cue it?” Encourage unpredictable tasks that force athletes to explore and adapt. 22:40 – Exploration outperforms instruction for long-term development Austin finds that athletes learn faster when they discover solutions. Give them space to experiment before layering instruction. Adjust one variable at a time and let athletes reorganize around it. Use questions (“What did you feel? What would you try next?”) to guide reflection. 31:18 – Games expand movement bandwidth Austin uses play-based drills to build coordination, elasticity, and adaptability. Rotate games: tag, dodgeball variations, reactive pursuit, to challenge perception-action loops. Use small-sided tasks to increase decision density without overthinking. Keep the focus on fun: fun increases intent and frees up movement quality. 38:01 – Use wrestling-inspired drills for strength without rigidity Wrestling movements gave Austin strong connective tissue without bulky lifting. Use partner-resistance tasks for whole-body strength and tension awareness. Build isometrics out of wrestling positions for joint integrity. Allow controlled chaos; body contact builds stabilizing capacity. 45:10 – Heavy rope work for rhythm, sequencing, and tissue tolerance Austin relies on heavy rope patterns for global coordination. Use ropes to sync hands, feet, hips, and breath. Program flowing, continuous patterns to teach timing and smooth force transfer. Start with simple rhythms, then build patterns that cross midline. 52:46 – Culture and community determine training success Austin emphasizes hiring people who share curiosity and a growth mindset. Build environments where coaches model exploration, not perfection. Encourage shared training, shared learning, and open dialogue. Make the gym a place where athletes feel safe to try new things. 1:01:37 – Encourage imitation and athlete-led learning Austin sees imitation as a primary learning driver. Let athletes watch each other and imitate good movers. Create partner structures where athletes observe and mirror. Limit over-coaching so imitation can self-organize movement. 1:10:55 – Use recovery tools to teach regulation, not toughness Cold exposure and breathing work are about awareness and control. Focus on downregulation, not chasing extreme discomfort. Teach athletes how to relax under stress through controlled exposures. Keep recovery practices consistent and simple. 1:18:42 – Breathing for awareness and movement refinement Austin uses breath as a sensory anchor for better movement feel. Teach nasal breathing during warmups to increase internal awareness. Pair breath with movement tasks to improve timing and relaxation. Explore slow breathing to reduce unnecessary tension. 1:24:52 – Rhythm and tempo drive better movement than force Austin believes rhythm is the “glue” of athleticism. Use music, metronomes, or rhythmic cues to build flow. Train movements at different tempos to expand adaptability. Emphasize smoothness over force output when teaching skills. 1:30:48 – Stay curious and evolve your practice Austin’s philosophy centers around lifelong learning. Revisit old drills with new perspectives. Explore different disciplines (dance, wrestling, martial arts). Let your own training experiment inform your coaching. Quotes from Austin Jochum “Wrestling taught me to solve problems in real time. You can’t fake instinct in that environment.” “When you build the right constraint, you don’t have to coach as much. The environment does the teaching.” “Exploration gives athletes ownership. They learn the lesson at a deeper level.” “Games create bandwidth. The more options you give the athlete, the more adaptable they become.” “Wrestling positions gave me strength that the weight room couldn’t.” “Ropes taught me rhythm and timing. They connect the whole body.” “Culture is the system. If the environment is right, the training takes care of itself.” “I want athletes to imitate great movement, not memorize cues.” “Cold exposure isn’t toughness. It’s learning how to regulate yourself under stress.” “Breathing is awareness. It gives you access to better movement.” “Rhythm is the missing piece in performance. Smooth beats strong.” “The more curious I am, the better my athletes get.” About Austin Jochum Austin Jochum is the founder of Jochum Strength, a performance coach known for blending old-school grit with modern movement science. A former University of St. Thomas football player and All-Conference safety, Austin built his philosophy around “training the human first,” emphasizing play, adaptability, and athletic expression over rigid templates. His coaching blends strength, speed, breathwork, and movement variability, creating athletes who are not just powerful—but resilient and skillful in chaotic environments. Through his in-person gym in Minnesota, online programs, and the Jochum Strength Podcast, Austin has become a leading voice in community-driven athletic development, helping athletes and everyday movers reconnect with their bodies, build real-world ability, and enjoy the process.

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• 489: Bill Smart on Isometrics, Flywheels, and Elastic Power Development

  Today’s guest is Bill Smart. Bill is a sport scientist and physical preparation coach specializing in elite fight-sports performance. As the founder of Smarter Performance and the Strength & Conditioning lead for the CORE MMA team, Bill integrates cutting-edge evidence with real-world high-performance systems to enable combat athletes to show up on fight day in optimal physiological condition. Much of the conversation in sports performance hinges on speed and power development, or conditioning, as a stand-alone conversation. Sport itself is dynamic and combines elements of speed, strength, and endurance in a dynamic space. Training should follow the same considerations to be truly alive and effective. In the episode, Bill shares his journey from cycling and rowing to combat sports. He discusses how long isometric holds develop both physical and mental resilience, and their implementation in his programming. The conversation dives into muscle-oxygen dynamics, integrating ISOs with conditioning, and how testing shapes his approach. Bill also explores flywheel eccentrics, fascicle-length development, and why sprinting is a key element for maintaining elastic power in elite fighters. Today’s episode is brought to you by Hammer Strength and the Just Fly Sports Online Courses 30-50% off all courses until December 1, 2025. (https://justflysports.thinkific.com) Use code “justfly10” for 10% off the Vert Trainer Use code “justfly20” for 20% off of LILA Exogen Wearable resistance gear at www.lilateam.com View more podcast episodes at the podcast homepage. (https://www.just-fly-sports.com/podcast-home/) Timestamps 0:00 – Bill’s coaching journey and early mentors 6:04 – The importance of movement observation and intuition 11:35 – Why athletes plateau and how to identify limiting factors 20:42 – Strength training principles that actually transfer 30:01 – Using movement variability and play in training 40:36 – Coaching communication and creating connection 52:09 – The role of curiosity and creativity in coaching longevity 1:00:55 – Key lessons from years of coaching experience Actionable Takeaways 6:04 – Movement observation and intuition Bill emphasizes that the best coaches develop a trained eye for movement by observing, not just testing. Watch athletes move in multiple contexts before prescribing anything. Look for how they transition between patterns, not only the end positions. Use video less for judgment and more for curiosity. What is the athlete trying to do? 11:35 – Identifying limiting factors Athletes plateau when coaches overemphasize one metric or capacity while ignoring the real constraint. Look beyond the weight room; technical or psychological factors often drive plateaus. Use minimal testing data to narrow focus rather than justify complexity. Sometimes the limiting factor is overcoaching. Let athletes fail and self-correct. 20:42 – Strength that transfers Transfer happens when strength work complements, not competes with, the sport’s rhythm and intent. Prioritize strength that preserves elasticity and timing rather than just force output. Rotate exercises often enough to keep athletes adaptive, but not so often that they lose rhythm. Load movement patterns, not just muscles. Treat every lift as coordination under resistance. 30:01 – Variability and play in training Bill describes play as a teaching tool that restores creativity and problem-solving in athletes. Use small games, uneven surfaces, or timing constraints to build adaptable movers. Variability should be purposeful. Expand coordination bandwidth without losing technical intent. Schedule “uncoached” time in sessions where athletes explore movement freely. 40:36 – Coaching communication and connection Great coaching depends on trust and empathy before information transfer. Deliver feedback as collaboration, not correction; frame cues as shared problem-solving. Match your communication tone to the athlete's readiness and personality. Be consistent and calm under pressure; emotional stability is contagious. 52:09 – Curiosity and creativity for coaching longevity Curiosity keeps coaching sustainable; creativity prevents burnout. Study outside your lane: music, design, or art can refine pattern recognition. Avoid rigid “systems” that turn coaching into mechanical input-output. Revisit old training ideas with a new lens instead of constantly chasing novelty. 1:00:55 – Key lessons and philosophy Bill’s long-term perspective is about developing people, not just performers. Build a coaching environment where learning continues on both sides. Focus on long-term process rather than short-term validation. Great coaching is about alignment between words, actions, and values. Quotes from Bill Smart “Observation is the beginning of understanding movement. You can’t coach what you don’t actually see.” “If you only measure outputs, you’ll miss what’s driving them.” “Strength is coordination under resistance; not just how much you can move, but how well you move it.” “When training becomes too predictable, athletes stop learning.” “Variability isn’t chaos; it’s guided exploration.” “The best cues invite the athlete to think, not to obey.” “Play keeps creativity alive. You can’t teach adaptability if everything is scripted.” “Curiosity is what keeps good coaches from becoming stale.” “Connection has to come before correction.” “The longer I coach, the more I realize that athletes teach me just as much as I teach them.” About Bill Smart Bill Smart is a sport scientist and physical preparation coach specialising in elite fight-sports performance. As the founder of Smarter Performance and the Strength & Conditioning lead for the CORE MMA team, Bill integrates cutting-edge evidence with real-world high-performance systems to enable combat athletes to show up on fight day in optimal physiological condition.

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• 488: Sam Elsner on Rewiring Athletic Performance and Movement Learning

  Today’s guest is Sam Elsner. Sam is a former NCAA Division III national champion thrower turned motor learning writer and educator. He’s the author of The Play Advantage and creator of the Substack CALIBRATE, where he explores how humans learn movement through play, perception, and environment design. Sam brings a rare blend of elite athletic experience and deep skill-acquisition insight to help coaches and athletes move beyond drills toward true adaptability and creativity in sport. As athletic performance is largely driven by weight-lifting. It digs into maximal strength and force-related outcomes in such excess that all other elements of athleticism are negated. Skill learning and high velocity movement are the wellspring of sporting success. As such, having a balanced understanding of the training equation is critical for the long-term interest of the athlete. On today’s podcast, Sam and I dive into how athletes truly learn to move. Sam traces his journey from WIAC throws circles to Cal Dietz’s weight room, why a rigid “triphasic for everyone” phase backfired with a soccer team, and how ecological dynamics and a constraints-led lens reshaped his coaching. Together we unpack the strength–skill interplay, 1×20 “slow-cook” gains versus block periodization, the value of autonomous, creative training application. We touch on youth development, culture, and team ecology, plus where pros are experimenting with these ideas. This episode is loaded with both philosophy of training and skill learning, along with practical takeaways in program design. Today’s episode is brought to you by Hammer Strength. Use the code “justfly20” for 20% off any Lila Exogen wearable resistance training, including the popular Exogen Calf Sleeves. For this offer, head to Lilateam.com Use code “justfly10” for 10% off the Vert Trainer View more podcast episodes at the podcast homepage. (https://www.just-fly-sports.com/podcast-home/) Timestamps 1:18 - Early training experiences and triphasic background 5:44 - Implementing triphasic as a young coach 11:22 - The failure of rigid block periodization 17:49 - Vertical integration and maintaining all qualities 24:58 - Discovery of the ecological dynamics lens 29:57 - Why skill learning changed his view of strength 35:43 - 1x20 as a slow cooking strength framework 43:15 - Autonomy and stance/position freedom in the weight room 52:38 - Culture, environment, and how athletes learn 1:00:43 - Highlight play examples and perception-action 1:14:23 - Constraint-led models in team sport settings 1:20:55 - Where to find Sam’s work Actionable Takeaways 5:44 - Learning from early programming mistakes Rigid triphasic blocks without speed and skill work led to slower, less adaptable athletes. Keep speed, power, and reactive work present year-round in some capacity. Avoid assuming what works for one context transfers straight across to another. 17:49 - Vertical integration instead of siloed periodization Train multiple physical qualities year-round with shifting emphasis rather than isolating one block at a time. This prevents athletes from losing speed while developing strength, or vice versa. Small doses across the year keep qualities alive and connected. 24:58 - Skill learning must reflect the chaos of sport Sport is unpredictable, not robotic. Training should reflect that uncertainty. Use varied environments, movement options, and constraints instead of perfect reps. Skill emerges from exploration, not memorization. 35:43 - 1x20 for strength that supports skill 1x20 builds strength while leaving room for sprinting, jumping, and skill work. The last few reps in a 1x20 set still hit high effort without excessive nervous system cost. Use stance and tempo variations to match individual structure. 43:15 - Autonomy inside the weight room Allow athletes to choose stance width, bar position, and grip style within a lift. This respects anatomical differences and promotes ownership. Autonomy increases buy-in and self-organization. 52:38 - Culture shapes movement outcomes The environment athletes train in determines how they move and learn. If culture only rewards load and intensity, adaptability is lost. Design environments that reward exploration and awareness, not just output. 1:00:43 - Highlight plays reflect attunement, not force Elite athletic feats arise from pattern recognition and perception-action coupling. You cannot coach highlight movement through force metrics alone. Create rich movement histories rather than perfecting single patterns. Quotes "Sport is chaotic and uncertain. If your training isn’t reflecting that, you’re training for something else." "Strength is only useful if you can actually express it in the environment that matters." "1x20 gave me room to train speed and jumping instead of spending all my adaptation on heavy lifting." "We lose athleticism when we isolate qualities instead of integrating them." "Autonomy in the weight room lets athletes organize movement in ways that fit their structure." "Block periodization made my athletes slower because they lost access to the other physical qualities." "Those highlight plays happen because the athlete is attuned to the information in the moment, not because they calculated force." "Environment determines behavior. The culture you’re in shapes how you train and how you move." "Skill is shaped by varied experiences, not perfect repetitions." "The goal is to keep qualities alive, not build one at the expense of another." About Sam Elsner Sam Elsner is a former NCAA Division III national champion thrower from the University of Wisconsin-Stout who has transitioned into a leading voice in motor learning and skill acquisition. A six-time All-American and 2018 discus champion, Sam brings a deep, first-hand understanding of performance and training into his current work, exploring how athletes truly learn movement rather than just repeat drills. Now writing the popular Substack CALIBRATE and authoring The Play Advantage, Sam bridges neuroscience, ecological dynamics, and lived athletic experience to help coaches and performers unlock adaptability, creativity, and “feel” in sport. His work reframes coaching from rote technique toward curiosity, environment design, and the art of human learning in motion.

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• 487: Ben Simons on Speed Training and the Art of Explosive Longevity

  Today’s guest is Ben Simons. Ben is a British performance coach and two-time Olympic bobsledder with a background in sprinting and sports science. A former World Cup gold medallist, he’s now focused on helping athletes develop speed, power, and coordination through evidence-based, real-world training methods. Ben blends biomechanics, motor learning, and nervous-system training to build explosive, adaptable athletes. Many speed training topics and conversations focus exclusively on the most stimulating possible methods; fewer get into individual factors, athlete adaptability, and how that speed and power training evolves with the needs of the athlete. On today’s show, Ben and I discuss asymmetry, rhythm, and “aliveness” in sprint and power development. We explore when to let unique mechanics—like Byanda Wlaza’s galloping stride—run their course versus coaching toward a technical model. Ben gets into the general speed training lessons he gained from bobsled, and shares why he now favors yielding isometrics, unilateral strength, and med ball throws over heavy lifts, emphasizing longevity, reflexive strength, and movement variability. We finish with how curvilinear sprints, pool work, and playful, multidirectional movement help athletes stay reactive, adaptable, and pain-free. Today’s episode is brought to you by Hammer Strength and LILA Exogen wearable resistance. Use the code “justfly20” for 20% off any Lila Exogen wearable resistance training, including the popular Exogen Calf Sleeves. For this offer, head to Lilateam.com Use code “justfly10” for 10% off the Vert Trainer View more podcast episodes at the podcast homepage. (https://www.just-fly-sports.com/podcast-home/) Timestamps 0:00 – Asymmetry, gallop running, and what to do with extremes 12:25 – Air-time vs ground work: why the stuff in the air transfers to sprinting 16:08 – From long jump and 4x100 to bobsled trials and the push track 19:57 – Retirement, coming back, and the management needed for longevity 24:04 – Achilles management, playing sport, and the power of movement variety 31:09 – Practical coaching advice: get people back into the sport they love 41:31 – Curvilinear sprints, feeling safe, and bringing play into rehab 45:53 – How bobsled pushing changed Ben’s acceleration and posterior chain 52:28 – Hamstring training, velocity, and the limits of eccentric volume 59:46 – Practical tools: tank sleds, prowlers, glute-ham machines, and Zurcher split squats 1:08:19 – Why Ben minimized compound max lifts and what he uses now 1:24:46 – Programming for mature athletes: living off the strength bank and using yield isometrics Actionable Takeaways 0:00 – Asymmetry, gallop running, and what to do with extremes Ben discusses the gallop-style sprint and whether to coach it out or keep it in the bandwidth. Use a technical benchmark as your reference, then assess the athlete’s bandwidth before changing form. If an athlete still performs well, test before adjusting — not every asymmetry needs fixing. Sled pushing can exaggerate patterns, so train sled and unweighted sprints separately for balance. 12:25 – Air-time vs ground work: why the stuff in the air transfers to sprinting Ben highlights the value of airborne drills and how isolating sides changes learning. Mix air-time drills (A-skips, dribbles) with reflexive work that reinforces limb exchange. Use isolating drills to refine control, then transition back to dynamic, reciprocal actions. Treat drills as tools to build feel, not techniques to be perfected. 16:08 – From long jump and 4x100 to bobsled trials and the push track Ben explains how testing funneled him into bobsled and what carried over from track. Identify transferable metrics (sprint speed, jumps) when guiding athletes into new sports. Plan gradual body composition changes to meet the new sport’s demands. Treat push-track practice as a specific development tool, not just novelty work. 19:57 – Retirement, coming back, and the management needed for longevity After retiring and returning, Ben focused less on output and more on resilience. Manage exposure and reduce cumulative max-strength volume. Replace some heavy lifts with unilateral, metabolic, and yielding isometric work. Use program variety, low-impact options, and smart recovery methods to extend career length. 24:04 – Achilles management, playing sport, and the power of movement variety Ben credits playful movement and variety for helping tendon and joint health. Add small doses of games (tennis, soccer, basketball) to reintroduce variability. Use pool work or hydro drills for recovery and postural reset. Mix in curvilinear or lateral movement constraints to keep tissues adapting. 31:09 – Practical coaching advice: get people back into the sport they love For long-term motivation, Ben recommends bringing fun back into training. Encourage clients to play their favorite childhood sport once a week. Adjust strength or volume elsewhere to keep total load manageable. Sustainable performance starts with enjoyment and consistency. 41:31 – Curvilinear sprints, feeling safe, and bringing play into rehab Curvy sprints helped Ben maintain intent while rehabbing hamstrings. Use curved sprint runs to maintain intensity without overstressing tissues. Add slight lateral elements early in rehab, then progress to linear sprinting. Keep a playful mindset to reduce fear and reintroduce speed safely. 45:53 – How bobsled pushing changed Ben’s acceleration and posterior chain Heavy sled pushing built unique posterior chain strength and acceleration power. Use sleds or prowlers for overloaded horizontal propulsion and hip drive. Track carryover into unweighted sprints and manage load progression carefully. Bridge sled pushing to sprinting through transitional mechanics and lighter sled phases. 52:28 – Hamstring training, velocity, and the limits of eccentric volume Ben emphasizes that eccentric loading must be balanced with sprint volume. Let sprint velocity drive hamstring development, not excessive eccentric reps. Use controlled Nordics or glute-ham raises as teaching tools, not endurance sets. Balance sprint and gym volume to protect tendon and muscle integrity. 59:46 – Practical tools: tank sleds, prowlers, glute-ham machines, and Zurcher split squats Ben’s favorite tools support progressive overload without joint stress. Use tank sleds or prowlers to build safe, scalable horizontal power. Include Zurcher split squats to teach pelvic control and glute-ham coordination. Adjust pad placement and load to individualize tendon-friendly training. 1:08:19 – Why Ben minimized compound max lifts and what he uses now Ben stopped chasing 1RMs but kept power outputs high through variation. For experienced athletes, reduce heavy compound frequency. Use yielding isometrics, unilateral strength, and medicine ball throws for high intent with less wear. Maintain strength but prioritize function, elasticity, and recovery. 1:24:46 – Programming for mature athletes: living off the strength bank and using yield isometrics Ben calls it “living off the interest” — using past strength while training smarter. Build blocks around tissue health, elasticity, and efficient expression of existing strength. Use high-velocity drills and isometrics for safe, effective output. Replace grindy lifts with explosive work that matches the athlete’s current phase of life.  Quotes from Ben Simons “Once you're out of the acceleration phase... it's like spinning a bike wheel. After the first few spins, to make it go quicker, you’ve just got to tap it.” “Pushing bobsleigh absolutely improved my speed. It freed up my hips and built specific posterior chain strength.” “If you’ve put the money in the bank with max strength earlier, you might be living off the interest later. You don’t always need to chase heavy lifts.” “Playing multiple sports keeps movement options open. When you stop playing, you stop sprinting and exposing yourself to short, intense bursts.” “Curvilinear sprints changed how I trained after my hamstring tear. The lateral element made me feel safe but still competitive.” “There’s only so much eccentric volume you can tolerate if you’re already sprinting fast. Be smart with total load.” “Get people back into the sport they loved. The consistency and joy matter more than the perfect gym split.” “Tank sleds and prowlers build the same intent as sled pushing — once they’re moving, timing and impulse become the training.” About Ben Simons Ben Simons OLY is a British performance coach and former Olympic bobsledder with a background in sprinting and sports science. A two-time Olympian (Sochi 2014, PyeongChang 2018) and World Cup gold medallist, Ben spent a decade representing Great Britain on the international stage, competing in over 120 events. Before bobsleigh, he was a Welsh indoor 60 m champion and studied sports science at Cardiff Met, experiences that laid the foundation for his lifelong focus on speed and power development. Today, Ben brings that elite-sport experience to his work as a strength, speed, and performance coach. His approach blends biomechanics, motor learning, and nervous-system training to help athletes move efficiently and perform explosively under pressure. With an emphasis on coordination, recovery, and data-driven methods, Ben coaches athletes and teams across sports to bridge the gap between research and real-world performance, developing complete athletes who are as resilient and adaptable as they are fast and strong.

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• 486: Cody Hughes on Principles of Athlete Centered Power Development

  Today’s guest is Cody Hughes. Cody is a strength and performance coach at Farm & Forge in Nashville, blending over a decade of collegiate and private-sector experience into a practical, athlete-centered approach. His work bridges foundational movement with modern tools like VBT and GPS tracking, always anchored by the belief that health drives performance. With the rising influence of technology in training, it can become more difficult to look clearly at the core facets of athletic force production, as well as how to optimally use technology to fill gaps, inform decisions, and even motivate groups. On today’s episode, Cody traces his shift from heavy-loading bias to a performance lens built on force management, eccentric RFD, and training that actually reflects sport. We unpack depth drops vs. “snapdowns,” why rigid “landing mechanics” miss the mark, and how movement literacy, variability, and velocity drive speed and durability. On the tech side, we get into velocity-based training (VBT) as a feedback and motivation tool, using it to gamify effort and auto-regulate load, and knowing when to remove the numbers to protect recovery and intent. Leaderboards, incentives, and smart stimulus design all matter, but Cody keeps it clear that data supports the human element that produces real power. Today’s episode is brought to you by Hammer Strength and LILA Exogen wearable resistance. Use the code “justfly20” for 20% off any Lila Exogen wearable resistance training, including the popular Exogen Calf Sleeves. For this offer, head to Lilateam.com Use code “justfly10” for 10% off the Vert Trainer View more podcast episodes at the podcast homepage. (https://www.just-fly-sports.com/podcast-home/) Timestamps 0:00 – Early lifting story and the hip replacement turning point 5:31 – Coaching development, biases, and error-driven learning 19:29 – The snapdown debate: context, progressions, and purpose 25:44 – What eccentric RFD tells us about athletic durability 30:42 – Strength as expression: assessments and force-plate logic 42:31 – Movement literacy and using competitive, decision-rich drills 49:30 – VBT explained: feedback, governors, and gamification 56:50 – When to hide feedback: elite athletes and psychological load 1:01:35 – Where VBT shines: youth and early training ages 1:25:28 – Wrap up and where to find Cody Actionable Takeaways 0:00 – Early lifting story and the hip replacement turning point. Cody’s early heavy-loading bias led to a total hip replacement and changed his training philosophy toward stability and movement quality. Reassess program priorities after a major injury: shift emphasis from maximal compressive loading to single-leg work, mobility, and stability. Use your injury story as a guardrail: design training that preserves life-long movement and allows play with family. Teach athletes the why: heavy strength is useful, but it must be paired with tissue resilience and mobility to avoid long-term breakdown. 5:31 – Coaching development, biases, and error-driven learning. Cody stresses that coaching wisdom grows from coaching people, making mistakes, and combining mentorship with hands-on experience. Get "skin in the game": coach real athletes and collect mistakes that refine your practice, not just textbook theory. Seek mentorship and internships to accelerate learning while still accepting the value of self-discovery. Avoid premature certainty: test provocative ideas and be ready to change your mind when evidence or outcomes demand it. 19:29 – The snapdown debate: context, progressions, and purpose. Snapdowns can be either a motor-learning tool for hinge/positioning or a low-value, non-stimulating ritual depending on context. Use snapdowns as a micro-dose progression: for young athletes, combine unweighting, pelvic control, and velocity to teach hinge and pretension. Do not use snapdowns as a one-size-fits-all landing mechanic; if the only goal is "landing mechanics," favor exposing tissues to a range of velocities, angles, and vectors instead. If snapdowns are used with elite athletes, ensure they serve an explicit force- or RFD-related progression, not just a warm-up checkbox. 25:44 – What eccentric RFD tells us about athletic durability. Eccentric rate of force development strongly correlates with sports performance and longevity; capacity to handle rapid braking is crucial. Include progressive eccentric exposures (depth drops, drop jumps) to train braking RFD, using force metrics when possible. Teach athletes both options: hard, stiff contacts for quick reactivity or yielding strategies for impulse extension depending on the task. Combine eccentric work with decision-making drills so athletes learn to anticipate and pretense contact in sport contexts. 30:42 – Strength as expression: assessments and force-plate logic. Strength is task-dependent expression; force plates can reveal propulsive power, braking power, and RFD in meaningful ways. Use force-plate metrics to profile athletes: concentric power, eccentric RFD, and MRSi reveal different capacities than a 1RM. Prefer task-specific assessments over global 1RMs when the sport requires velocity and elastic qualities. Interpret strength as what athletes can express in context; design training to improve the expression that matters for their sport. 42:31 – Movement literacy and using competitive, decision-rich drills. Velocity and decision-making make drills stimulating and transferable; gamified constraints produce higher engagement and better transfer. Replace rote, low-stimulus drills with short competitive tasks that require decision making and speed under load (medicine-ball throws for distance, target throws). Use velocity and competitive constraints to drive intent and motor learning rather than static, pre-planned movement only. Track whether the stimulus actually pushes sport expression; if not, rework the drill into a more game-like challenge. 49:30 – VBT explained: feedback, governors, and gamification. Velocity is a real-time metric that gives context to load and can be used as feedback, an auto-regulatory governor, or a target for progression. Use VBT as a governor for youth and novices: set minimum velocity thresholds to preserve technique and avoid grindy lifts. Turn VBT into gamified progression: allow athletes to increase weight when they exceed a target velocity, creating clear incentives. Combine velocity rules with technical constraints (range of motion, sequence) so numbers reward quality, not sloppy reps. 56:50 – When to hide feedback: elite athletes and psychological load. Feedback can over-intensify ultra-competitive athletes; sometimes removing numbers preserves performance and mental stability. For elite, highly competitive athletes, selectively hide feedback during heavy phases or pre-competition to avoid harmful intensification. Monitor athlete psychology: if feedback creates anxiety or counterproductive competition, reduce or remove it. Let tools be optional; coaching art decides when to give feedback and when to protect athlete readiness. 1:01:35 – Where VBT shines: youth and early training ages. VBT is especially useful for high-school and early-college athletes to build intent, maintain quality, and teach progression. Apply VBT to 14-18 year olds as a way to teach velocity thresholds and encourage technical integrity. Use a three-level VBT approach: simple feedback, a governor to enforce minimum velocity, and targets for competition. Include VBT even with youth to keep training engaging and to prevent excessively heavy, low-quality loads. 1:25:28 – Wrap up and where to find Cody. Cody recommends practical systems that combine measurement and human coaching, and points listeners to his resources. When building a program, combine objective metrics with careful observation and athlete buy-in. Use tools to reduce guesswork, but always interpret them through athlete readiness and context. Find Cody on Instagram @clh_strength and at clhstrength.com for programs and resource sheets. Quotes from Cody Hughes “People have to be able to handle eccentric forces. Eccentric RFD is an extremely important metric for all field and court sport athletes.” “If you use a snapdown as a micro-dose progression to teach hinge, pelvic control, and velocity, it can be useful for young athletes.” “Strength is not an attribute, it’s an expression. You evaluate strength based on the task it’s being observed in.” “Velocity is just another metric that gives context. It’s real-time feedback rather than operating off old percentage information.” “Get it outside of coach’s judgment and let it be a number on a screen. Now I cheer you on instead of guessing.” “Use VBT as a governor: set minimum velocity thresholds so athletes don’t grind through sloppy reps.” “For elite athletes, sometimes you have to take numbers away. The hyper-competitive athlete can get destabilized by constant feedback.” “Movement efficiency is everything. You challenge it with velocity and with a variety of options where the athlete has to make a decision.” “Don’t keep chasing a strength stimulus if it’s not helping the expression you want. Do the thing at the velocity you need to transfer.” “Make training stimulating and measurable. If you can gamify the system, athletes will want to push the bar and engage more.” About Cody Hughes Cody Hughes, MS, SCCC, CSCS, PSL1, is a strength and performance coach at Farm & Forge in Nashville, Tennessee. A former collegiate athlete with more than a decade of coaching experience across NCAA Division I and II programs, high schools, and the private sector, Cody brings a practical, athlete-centered approach to performance training. His work focuses on building strong movement foundations,

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