He grew up with no internet, a father removed by police, and welfare in rural Ohio. By 24, he'd built close to 8 figures. I asked him how and what it cost him.
In this episode, Closer Cartel founder breaks down the real path from nothing to eight figures — the sales skills that started it, the info business that scaled it, and the identity crisis that nearly ended it. We're covering the full arc: what it actually takes to close at the highest level, why the info industry rewards the wrong behavior, how a panic attack in a Miami shower changed everything, and what he's building now with Kendo — an AI sales platform he believes will eventually replace human sales reps entirely.
You'll hear about closing a $15K deal while being cussed out at 20 years old, why hitting $100K a month felt emptier than expected, the moment he realized he'd built a business he was ashamed of, a spiritual experience so strange he almost didn't tell it, and why he walked away from everything in 2024 to start over. This is an honest conversation about money, identity, faith, and what it actually means to build something you're proud of.
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Chapters:
0:00 - Close to 8 Figures: Where It Started
4:39 - Growing Up With No Internet in Rural Ohio
7:21 - Leaving Home to Save His Family
9:13 - Dropping Out With $500 and a Laptop
21:18 - Shutting Down the Agency and Learning to Sell
27:08 - Moving to Miami and Launching Closer Cartel
31:01 - The Character He Had to Play (And Started to Hate)
47:15 - Burnout, Depression, and Losing Passion for the Money
53:28 - Why Info Rewards the Wrong Behavior
56:02 - The Shower Moment: Spiritual Warfare in Miami
1:04:29 - Living in Alignment: Faith in Practice
1:12:18 - Why He Walked Away and Built Kendo
1:27:21 - How Kendo Works: AI Sales Training and Management
1:36:09 - Genetics, Potential, and the Real Red Pill
1:39:53 - Vision at 30: $100M, a Wife, and a Life Worth Living