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  • The Heart of Justice is Truth-Telling with Bill Murphy
     True leadership is the ability to bridge gaps, translate perspectives, and foster respect, ensuring that every voice—from the visible to the unseen—is valued and heard.William (Bill) Murphy is the Chief Operations Officer for Indianapolis Public Schools, where he drives operational excellence to support academic success in one of Indiana’s largest districts. He previously led Enroll Indy, served as Vice President of Louisiana Schools for IDEA Public Schools, and was Chief School Support Officer for Jefferson Parish Public Schools, where he helped raise the district's state rating from a D to a B. With experience as a school principal, teacher, and consultant, Bill has shaped educational systems and founded programs like the Center for Resilience, supporting children with severe mental health needs in New Orleans.Bill shares his journey from upstate New York, his transition to Indiana during the pandemic, and his upbringing in a loud Irish Catholic family, which shaped his direct, loving communication style in both his work and family life. He shares the happiness of being the dad of three Black boys and how his wife’s quieter Southern upbringing contrasts with his. He notes that being in a biracial marriage means constant learning and adapting.Bill is grateful for the loving people in his community because they are crucial for the support he receives in raising his sons, particularly Black male mentors who step in to guide his children in areas he cannot. Learning humility and navigating the challenges of interracial marriage is crucial for his family, and they foster open communication about everything. His story about adopting his middle son is a miracle in itself.In work, Bill is a universal translator between departments, so all can have a mutual understanding. Cultural and professional differences between teams can be huge, but decency, respect, and appreciation for each other—especially in silent roles—work like a charm. K-12 education reform, in his opinion, has challenges on the ground versus rhetorical lobbyists and commentators’ way of doing things rather than taking care of students and systemic solutions. The heart of justice is truth-telling—justice on the smallest or largest scale can’t happen without truth. Let’s be more truthful in our relationships and societal progress.  Show notes:🇮🇪 Loud dynamics within Irish Catholic families: love language is conflict – protecting and moving each other forward. 01:02👰🏽‍♀️ Living in New Orleans and learning between spouses in biracial families: the loving group of Black men who helped his sons. 08:55😤 Important conversations and strategic planning in a multicultural marriage: comments on the streets and bad experiences. 15:40😅 Bill’s unusual “Why Teach for America” story: being split 50/50 between charter schools and district schools. 25:03🤩 The value of invisible roles: treating all people with respect. 31:32🧞‍♂️ Communication across departments and being a universal translator: preventing chaos and being a strategic fixer. 36:29😩 Education and career pathways in K-12 reform: is the same thing happening in education as it is in the working class? 40:37😇 The Anam Cara – spirit friend: Bill’s adopted son Kiran and the miraculous flow of events. 47:08💎 Bill’s RONdering: The heart of justice is truth-telling – go to therapy and find what is thriving for you. 51:52🎨 Bill’s love for tattoos: Black and Irish culture, pop culture, and Game of Thrones tattoos.💙 Show love for people in operations work: make someone’s day. 57:10  LinksWeb:  www.myips.orgLinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/william-murphy-edd-64857390 Rapatalo Group: [email protected]  Leverage Publishing: www.leveragepublishinggroup.comConnect with Ron: www.linkedin.com/in/rapatalo Ron’s book: www.amazon.com/dp/1613431473  
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  • Inertia and Progress, Not Perfection with Donnell J. Butler
     It’s not about perfection out of the box—it’s about learning to learn and growing through the process.Dr. Donnell Butler is the Founder and President of Prelude, a nonprofit that partners with employers and schools to create work-based learning experiences, helping students from lower-income backgrounds gain professional skills, explore careers, and achieve economic freedom through paid internships. With over 20 years of experience, he has focused on improving college and career outcomes for underserved communities, previously serving as a dean at Franklin & Marshall College, where he co-led initiatives that significantly increased diversity and graduation rates. A first-generation college graduate from the South Bronx, Dr. Butler holds a B.A. from Franklin & Marshall and a Ph.D. from Princeton University. He serves on the board of the Relay Graduate School of Education and is a Pahara-Aspen Education Fellow.Growing up in the South Bronx, combined with a love for learning and academic success, shaped Donnell’s path into the K-12 education world. Living abroad as an "army brat" (thanks to his stepfather's military service) exposed him to different cultures and educational systems. Donnell embraced his love for learning and was determined to create a better life. His mentors—teachers and other adults—guided him and his passion for education and mentorship eventually led him to shift from accounting to working in higher education, particularly at Franklin & Marshall College, where he focused on helping students from underrepresented backgrounds succeed.One challenge newer generations face is the lack of early work experiences, and for both Ron and Donnell, many of the skills needed for success came from on-the-job experiences rather than formal education. That’s why Donnell is so passionate about teaching both employees and young people the value of combining education with real-world experience. He believes in the transformative power of this combination, which is why he founded Prelude—a nonprofit that provides paid work opportunities to high school students.Skills like interpersonal communication, time management, and problem-solving can only truly be learned in a real-world context. Building supportive environments where students can learn, make mistakes, and grow is essential for their development and confidence. Let’s keep moving forward—let’s show them they have the power to change the world. Show notes🗽 EdLoc members and friends: Ron and Donnell share the same passion for sports. 02:20🪖 Donnell is originally from the South Bronx: He moved frequently and traveled the world until he was 10 years old. 04:55🏫 Learning in Department of Defense schools: being different but not shy to put in extra effort. 08:10👦🏾 His first beating was due to his success in school: building a path that would be different from working for the army. 11:00🏆 Being drawn to mentors and adults: double majoring in college in sociology and accounting. 14:30🧠 College access and success guru: all the amazing people who changed his mindset. 23:20🥅 Two-thirds of teenagers had a paid job in the eighties: today, most internships are unpaid, and there’s a lack of work-based learning experiences. 27:24💰 Ron’s experience as a pharmacy assistant for $4 an hour in 1988: The superpower of learning through trial and error. 32:54🤑 Structure and regime of working and learning: the power of a paycheck and developing young people. 43:40💎 RONdering: Understand kids and encourage mistakes—keep moving forward, just like babies learning to walk. Celebrate all the wins. 48:00  Links:Web: www.joinprelude.orgLinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/school/connectwithprelude Rapatalo Group: [email protected] Leverage Publishing: www.leveragepublishinggroup.comConnect with Ron: www.linkedin.com/in/rapatalo Ron’s book: www.amazon.com/dp/1613431473  
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  • Find a Way or Make the Right Tools: Lea Crusey and Mathias Probst
     Well-being isn’t a luxury—it’s a necessity.Lea Crusey is the co-founder and Head of U.S. Expansion for WOOF, a well-being tool for students and teachers. With a career in public policy, entrepreneurship, and civic engagement, she works to expand opportunities for marginalized communities. A former Teach For America corps member, Lea has focused on improving public education, founding Allies for Educational Equity, and designing an innovative pooled giving model. She has also held leadership roles at Democrats for Education Reform, StudentsFirst, the U.S. Department of Education, and the Chicago Transit Authority.Mathias Probst is the co-founder and CEO of WOOF, a Denmark-based startup providing digital tools to enhance student and teacher well-being in classrooms. He was always part of innovative projects, including launching Detroit's first full-circle aquaponic system, creating a biodiversity-focused business for Danish farmers, and founding CePI. Inspired by their experience as Teach First Denmark educators, Mathias and his co-founder, Amalie Dankert, developed WOOF to promote effective and meaningful student wellbeing solutions.Lea Crusey and Mathias Probst share their personal and professional journeys that led to the creation of WOOF, tools for students and teachers. Mathias reflects on his early life from being a competitive gymnast in Denmark, his career in philosophy and consulting, and his pivotal experience as a Teach For Denmark educator, where he recognized the urgent need for tools to address student well-being. Lea shares how her upbringing was shaped by her mixed-race heritage and her family's dedication to service, her time as a Teach For America corps member, and her transition into education advocacy. WOOF has started innovation in education and demonstrated measurable improvements in student outcomes, such as increased attendance and engagement. There is a huge importance of staying connected to the needs of educators and students while normalizing emotional awareness in schools cannot be overstated.Let’s transform education in the best possible way, using perseverance, humility, and prioritizing human impact over numbers!Show Notes:🇩🇰 Mathias grew up in Denmark and he was a purpose-driven person his whole life: from business and eco-consulting to teaching. 03:38👨‍🏫 Having no tool for teaching children in need: founding WOOF and supporting the well-being of his students.  07:20👩‍🏫 Lea’s experience with the power of community and serving: Teach For America and teaching in Singapore. 11:27🤯 Working in StudentsFirst: state-level advocacy – decentralization issues and seeing many districts are K-8, not K-12. 15:53🐘 Allies for Educational Equity work: the elephant analogy and WOOF work. 18:44🧠 We learn from opportunities to make mistakes: anonymous input of 70,000 kids globally is an important asset for learning.  25:24🏆 Growing and scaling of the product is sometimes not easy to predict: Allies for Educational Equity and Innovation of 2025. 29:03💊 Well-being as a ‘means to an end’ in the US: students are reporting anonymously how they are doing and the results are shocking. 34:05😇 Lack of meaning in our life: finding a deeper connection and what drives your classroom. 39:54🫂 Emotions need to be validated. 43:51🤓 Preventing the loss of new generations: create space for safe learning. 47:03💎 Episode Ronderings: Find a way or make one: it is possible with the right tools. 50:43Links:Website: www.planetwoof.ioLinkedIn, Lea: www.linkedin.com/in/leacruseyLinkedIn, Mathias: www.linkedin.com/in/mathias-probst-25510b12Rapatalo Group: [email protected] Leverage Publishing: www.leveragepublishinggroup.comConnect with Ron: www.linkedin.com/in/rapatalo Ron’s book: www.amazon.com/dp/1613431473 
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  • Creating the Rooms Where It Happens with Mohan Sivaloganathan
     Mohan Sivaloganathan is a founder of Harmonious Leadership, a keynote speaker, consultant, and coach. He is also known as the “Batman of Social Impact” and at night he is a hip-hop artist. Throughout his career, Mohan has supported local and national organizations in orchestrating sustainable transformation and systems change across corporate social responsibility, education, civic engagement, and philanthropy. He is passionate about breaking down the false choice between well-being and performance - an antiquated leadership ideology that inhibits people and organizations from advancing their boldest social impact ideas.Mohan shares his incredible journey from a fierce, driven leader to a "kingmaker" who uplifts others. Rooted in his Sri Lankan parents' immigrant story and legacy of service, Mohan realized that maturity, humility, and joy in seeing others succeed are pathways to becoming a mature leader and overcoming his anxiety. For Mohan, traditional notions of masculinity require deep conversations. Vulnerability and empathy are essential to redefining what it means to be a man today. His concept of Harmonious Leadership is different. For him, true impact comes from balancing self-care, purpose, and performance.Don’t wait for others to create opportunities for you; instead, take the initiative to create your own spaces—places where you can be authentic, connect with others, and express yourself fully.  Show notes timestamps:🇱🇰 Growing up in Sri Lankan immigrant family: finding success through service but not forgetting their roots. 02:06🦸🏽‍♂️ The journey from becoming “a hero” and “king” and becoming a “kingmaker”. 10:01🏀 Basketball and leadership: I’m not only here to score - alpha males and shifting his view. 14:29🏆 Archetypes of people to learn from for Mohan: Justin Cohen and solidarity in “Dads for Kamala” campaign. 24:11💪🏽 Redefining masculinity and challenging traditional stereotypes of masculinity: Silly Sensitive Men playing Uno event. 31:14⚖️ Balance of self-care, purpose, and performance to survive or to thrive: the concept of harmony in Harmonious Leadership. 38:10🫂 Reflecting on wisdom and consciousness: important keynotes, coaching, and acts of love with people. 44:64💎 Mohan’s Rondering: Being in the rooms where everything happens and creating your own spaces for connection and expression. 48:23  Links Connect: www.linkedin.com/in/msivaloganathanWebsite: www.harmoniousleaders.comRapatalo Group: [email protected] Leverage Publishing: www.leveragepublishinggroup.comConnect with Ron: www.linkedin.com/in/rapatalo  
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  • Culture: Ensuring People Are Appreciated, Supported and Valued with Niloy Gangopodhyay
    Niloy Gangopadhyay, is a passionate educator, and leader who for over 20 years has been addressing inequities in public education as a systems, school, and nonprofit leader. He began his career as a 2002 Teach For America corps member in San Jose, California, and now serves as TFA’s Vice President for the 35th Anniversary Summit. Previously, he led state-level initiatives for at-risk students at the Texas Education Agency and co-founded Success Preparatory Academy, a K-8 charter school in New Orleans. His upbringing rooted in his parents' immigrant values of education and service—shaped Niloy’s commitment to becoming a leader in public service. Sports taught Niloy the importance of teamwork, culture, and data-driven decision-making. Our education system expects first-year teachers to perform at the same level as seasoned educators, and feedback compared to other professions is minimal. Feedback is essential to help teachers grow and improve, and Niloy shares how a strong culture in schools is directly connected with student success.How to redesign feedback systems in education to better support teachers? Technology, such as AI and video analysis, to provide asynchronous feedback and help educators reflect on their practice might be the key. Niloy is passionate about the importance of ensuring people feel appreciated, supported, and valued (ASV) in their work, and how understanding what motivates individuals can unlock their potential. Let’s connect with our team members on much deeper levels to discover the hidden powers.  Show notes timestamps:☃️ The impact of trauma and the feeling of not having a home: holidays are challenging for educators. 01:56🇮🇳 Niloy immigrant parents who placed a premium on education. 04:51👨🏽‍🏫 He knew he wanted to work in public service early on: gaining experience with Teach For America. 07:08🏫 Moving to New Orleans: facing the initial challenges of taking over a failing school. 12:27😍 His parents were very focused on community service and education. 21:15🏈 Sports teams and leadership are similar: starting quarterback and first-grade teacher. 27:51👂🏽 Coaching and feedback are critical in life, sports, and education. 30:24📈 The importance of using exemplars to showcase the impact of coaching and feedback on teacher growth. 40:11🆒 The positive impact technology can have on culture, organizational success, and individual growth in education. 48:03🌸 Teach For America’s Summit: a well of inspiration for K-12 education. 49:21💎 Niloy’s Ronderings: Making sure people are appreciated, supported, and valued to unlock the potential of individuals by understanding and addressing their unique challenges. 55:21 Links: Connect: www.linkedin.com/in/niloy-gangopadhyay-76a438159Rapatalo Group: [email protected] Leverage Publishing: www.leveragepublishinggroup.comConnect with Ron: www.linkedin.com/in/rapatalo Ron’s book: www.amazon.com/dp/1613431473   
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In season one of Ronderings, Ron talks to his guests about their superpowers, including career advice, diversity, mindset, wellness, and leadership. Ron grew up in New York City, and has been coaching and leading executive searches for the last five years, taking what he has learned from 15 years in corporate, higher education, government, and non-profit contexts. He and his wife are obsessed with reality television, and Ron also moonlights as a men's personal stylist and group fitness instructor. Ron says, "I believe in the power of intuition and deepening one’s self-awareness and impact on others. I believe in the power of connection and transparency. I believe that we must dismantle systems of oppression and racism to recover our fullest humanity. Most of all, I believe our power to change the world starts from changing ourselves first."
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