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He started running at 27. He is not a professional athlete by his own description. He has run UTMB, Tor des Géants, the Swiss Alps 100, and Moab 240 — where he podiumed and then made a feature documentary about it, because finishing apparently wasn't enough. He spent the week before this recording running reconnaissance on the course. He has now covered about 150 miles of it on foot before the race even starts.
In this episode of Flagstaff Bound, Kevin and Peter sit down with Jeff Pelletier — trail runner, filmmaker, and one of three Jeffs in this series — for a conversation about what it actually means to show up to one of the most competitive 250-mile races in the world as someone who approaches the whole thing cerebrally, documents everything with his partner Audrey, and genuinely believes that anyone with a healthy body could do what he does if they had the time and the mindset.
Jeff talks about why Cocodona appealed to him, what he learned at Mammoth 200 six months ago that he's bringing directly into this race, and why he's writing himself a pledge to sign before the start line — because that middle section will try to make you complacent, and he's not letting it.
Cocodona 250 kicks off Monday, May 4th at 5 AM Pacific. Follow the action live on the Mountain Outpost YouTube channel. Whatever happens out there will almost certainly end up on YouTube anyway.

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He led Cocodona 250 for 150 miles in 2024. With two miles to go, his airway swelled shut, his oxygen sat dropped to 83, and he got caught. He came back.
In this episode of Flagstaff Bound, Kevin and Peter sit down with Jeff Browning — Bronco Billy — who lives in Flagstaff, trains on the course in his backyard, and has been running hundred-milers longer than most of his competitors have been racing. He talks honestly about what went wrong in 2024 — an upper respiratory infection three weeks out, a viral load that came roaring back as reactive airway in the final miles — and exactly what he and Stringbean cooked up together to make sure it doesn't happen again. He breaks down his training tweaks, his sleep strategy refinements, and why running 70 to 90 mile weeks with five hours of Zone 2 cycling is hitting different than the 130-mile monsters he was doing before.
He also learns about the Mingus Basketball Association live on tape, immediately says he'll shoot some hoops if we have it ready, and goes home to practice on the hoop in his driveway.
Cocodona 250 kicks off Monday, May 4th at 5 AM Pacific. Follow the action live on the Mountain Outpost YouTube channel.

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She finished second female at the 2022 Cocodona 250. She sobbed on the descent off Mingus Mountain. She wrote a blog post about the whole experience called "I'd Run 100 Miles for a Grilled Cheese Sandwich." She is back.
In this episode of Flagstaff Bound, Kevin and Peter sit down with Lauren Jones — ultrarunner, writer, and proud cheese enthusiast from Atlanta — for one of the most honest and genuinely funny conversations in the series. Lauren talks about what it was like to run 250 miles through the Arizona desert, fall apart on a mountain descent in tears, keep going anyway, and then write about all of it with the kind of self-awareness that makes you feel like you were out there with her.
She also gives her chalkboard message for Mingus Mountain, and it is exactly what you'd expect from someone who has cried on that descent and earned the right to say it.
Cocodona 250 kicks off Monday, May 4th at 5 AM Pacific. Follow the action live on the Mountain Outpost YouTube channel.

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For most of last year's Cocodona 250, nobody knew where he was. He forgot his tracker at the start. When they finally got one on him, it didn't work. By the time race fans figured out where Edher Ramirez actually was, he was battling for the overall podium.
He finished third. In one of the most competitive and brutal editions of this race ever run.
In this episode of Flagstaff Bound, Kevin and Peter sit down with Edher — a locksmith from Las Vegas who found ultrarunning through a group of friends training for a half marathon, showed up to a trail race in Zion and had no idea what he'd signed up for, and has been escalating ever since. He talks about what he remembers most from last year's race — the mud, the finish line, his family — and what it was like to spend the final miles racing Rachel Entrekin for an overall podium spot while running on virtually no sleep. He talks about the hallucinations, the fences, the moment his crew sparked the fire that carried him over Elden.
He also talks about what it means to compete at this level while running a business, training out of Las Vegas, and doing it all with his family at the center of everything. He runs with grit, gratitude, and the quiet confidence of someone who nobody saw coming.
Cocodona 250 kicks off Monday, May 4th at 5 AM Pacific. Follow the action live on the Mountain Outpost YouTube channel.

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She has DNF'd Cocodona 250 twice. Both times, her body shut down — not from lack of fitness, not from lack of will, but from a medical reaction to the medication she was taking to protect her lungs. Both times, she got back up. This is her third attempt.
In this episode of Flagstaff Bound, Kevin and Peter sit down with Kristin Trapp — Air Force veteran, occupational therapist, mother of three, and competitive donkey racer from Tucson — for one of the most emotionally honest conversations in the series. Kristin talks about what it actually took to process two DNFs, why she didn't just sign up again and white-knuckle through it, and what sitting with the grief of those finishes taught her that skipping straight to the next race couldn't.
She talks about her patients — autistic kids and adults — and how the quiet persistence she sees from them every single day shows up in how she approaches her own hard miles. She talks about the donkeys, because of course she does, and what running 250 miles with a large stubborn animal teaches you about partnership, patience, and knowing when to listen.
She also has a pulmonologist now. She has a plan. And she has something to say at mile 110 that stopped the hosts cold.
Cocodona 250 kicks off Monday, May 4th at 5 AM Pacific. Follow the action live on the Mountain Outpost YouTube channel.