Business of Betting Podcast

• E265 - Drew Tabor from Ungambled

  On this episode of the Business of Betting Podcast, Jeff Edelstein is joined by Drew Tabor, Founder of Ungambled, to break down the evolving world of bonus farming, account profiling, and how sharp bettors gain long-term edges in the modern U.S. sportsbook landscape. Hear them discuss: 01:00 – Drew’s early background, from finishing every math class in his state to becoming the world’s #1 ranked Guitar Hero player and how that discipline shaped his entrepreneurial journey 03:00 – The origin story of Ungambled and why sharp bettors needed a more systematic way to bonus hedge and extend the lifespan of partner accounts 05:00 – How the Ungambled app deliberately violates sharp-betting heuristics to profile accounts as “high-limit squares” 07:00 – The logic behind hedging bonuses, manipulating CLV signals, and timing-based strategies that minimize detection 08:00 – Why female accounts statistically receive higher bonuses and how users scale earnings through partner accounts 09:00 – Building “aggressive bonus farming” systems that generate $10–$20K in two months and how VIP programs expand opportunity 12:00 – The future of Ungambled: hedging multi-book parlays, advanced modeling, and automation designed to scale 14:00 – The business philosophy of leverage software, capital, people, and one-to-many systems and how it informs Drew’s long-term vision 17:00 – Prediction markets, crypto casinos, and whether bonuses shrink or sustain as the industry matures 19:00 – Why Drew rarely bets recreationally anymore and why same-game parlays still hold a soft spot for him   ⚡️ Follow BoB on Twitter/X ⚡️ Watch BoB on Youtube ⚡️ Apply to be a guest here --- This podcast is presented by Optimove, the #1 CRM Marketing solution for the iGaming industry. Since 2012, Optimove has served iGaming Operators from startups to industry leaders. Today, 4 out of the Top 5 US Operators Personalize Player Experiences with Optimove. iGaming operators know their growth journey begins and continues with Optimove, the #1 CRM Marketing solution for the iGaming industry. Get your first month free: https://optimove.com/businessofbetting

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• E264 - Bernard Marantelli from White Swan Data

  On this episode of the Business of Betting Podcast, Jeff Edelstein is joined by Bernard Marantelli, Founder of White Swan Data and Colossus Bets, to discuss his entrepreneurial journey, the evolution of pool betting, and what innovation looks like in a changing global gaming landscape. Hear them discuss: 01:00 – Bernard’s background growing up in a family of bookmakers and how that shaped his career in data, biotech, and gambling 02:00 – The Texas Lottery caper: why a 2023 jackpot became +EV, how Bernard’s team bought 25M+ tickets, and the massive logistical hurdles they overcame 05:00 – The math behind beating a state lottery, from permutations to public participation to splitting risk across millions of tickets 10:30 – What it actually looks like to print, store, and organize millions of physical lottery slips (including hiring an Uber driver on the spot) 15:00 – Introducing iBankroll: why crypto casinos have a liquidity and credibility problem and how his company underwrites VIP risk 17:00 – Understanding “Black Swan” risk for high-stakes casino action and why decentralized bankrolls reduce catastrophic exposure 22:00 – Why crypto casinos are growing fast globally as regulated markets tighten KYC, RG, and deposit limits 24:30 – Bernard’s candid take on prediction markets, their regulatory uncertainty, and why the economics, not politics, may determine who survives 30:00 – Lessons from a lifetime in gambling: building edge, information, diversification, and the constant search for expected value 38:00 – Why opportunities are cyclical, why secrecy isn’t always the winning strategy, and why the next “Texas moment” is unlikely under modern rules   ⚡️ Follow BoB on Twitter/X ⚡️ Watch BoB on Youtube ⚡️ Apply to be a guest here --- This podcast is presented by Optimove, the #1 CRM Marketing solution for the iGaming industry. Since 2012, Optimove has served iGaming Operators from startups to industry leaders. Today, 4 out of the Top 5 US Operators Personalize Player Experiences with Optimove. iGaming operators know their growth journey begins and continues with Optimove, the #1 CRM Marketing solution for the iGaming industry. Get your first month free: https://optimove.com/businessofbetting

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• E263 - Casey Hurbis from BetMGM

  On this episode of the Business of Betting Podcast, Jeff Edelstein is joined by Casey Hurbis, Chief Marketing Officer of BetMGM, to talk about his path from automotive and mortgage marketing to leading one of the biggest brands in sports betting.   Hear them discuss: 01:00 – Casey’s career journey from Chrysler and Rocket Mortgage to the fast-paced world of gaming 03:00 – The surprising similarities between marketing cars, mortgages, and sportsbooks 05:00 – How BetMGM uses data-driven celebrity partnerships, from Jamie Foxx to Jon Hamm 08:00 – Building a brand rooted in entertainment, trust, and the MGM legacy 11:00 – Differentiating BetMGM in a crowded market through loyalty, experiences, and exclusives 14:00 – Why BetMGM aims to attract an “elevated player” and what “Make It Legendary” really means 17:00 – The growing crossover between sportsbook and iCasino players and how AI personalizes their journeys 22:00 – Marketing within tight regulations and embedding responsible gambling from the start 25:00 – How AI and rapid tech change are transforming marketing faster than ever before 29:00 – What the industry still gets wrong about brand-building and why long-term trust beats short-term promos   ⚡️ Follow BoB on Twitter/X ⚡️ Watch BoB on Youtube ⚡️ Apply to be a guest here --- This podcast is presented by Optimove, the #1 CRM Marketing solution for the iGaming industry. Since 2012, Optimove has served iGaming Operators from startups to industry leaders. Today, 4 out of the Top 5 US Operators Personalize Player Experiences with Optimove. iGaming operators know their growth journey begins and continues with Optimove, the #1 CRM Marketing solution for the iGaming industry. Get your first month free: https://optimove.com/businessofbetting

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• E262 - Francesco Borgosano from Huddle

  On this episode of the Business of Betting Podcast, Jeff Edelstein is joined by Francesco Borgosano, CEO of Huddle. Hear them discuss: Francesco's unique journey from academia to the sports betting industry The evolution of sports betting, particularly in the American market, and the impact of technology on betting practices Integrity in betting and the need for collaborative efforts to address challenges The role of data sharing and monitoring in ensuring fair practices within betting The evolving role of AI in the sports betting industry, addressing misconceptions and the need for proper infrastructure The growth of prop betting and the coexistence of prediction markets and traditional bookmakers His outlook on the future of the sports betting industry   ⚡️ Follow BoB on Twitter/X ⚡️ Watch BoB on Youtube ⚡️ Apply to be a guest here --- This podcast is presented by Optimove, the #1 CRM Marketing solution for the iGaming industry. Since 2012, Optimove has served iGaming Operators from startups to industry leaders. Today, 4 out of the Top 5 US Operators Personalize Player Experiences with Optimove. iGaming operators know their growth journey begins and continues with Optimove, the #1 CRM Marketing solution for the iGaming industry. Get your first month free: https://optimove.com/businessofbetting

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• E261 - Daniel Zimmermann from Verse Picks

  On this episode of the Business of Betting Podcast, Jeff Edelstein is joined by Daniel Zimmermann, CEO and Co-Founder of Verse Picks, the app bringing a “parlay anything” experience to the next generation of bettors. Hear him discuss: How his college experience running Barstool Syracuse sparked his entrepreneurial journey The early days of Verse Gaming and the pivots from DFS to skill games to prediction markets Why the team spent years building toward a “bet on anything” model — and how legality shaped its evolution How Verse’s new “Parlay Anything” feature bridges the gap between traditional betting and prediction markets Lessons from operating under the sweepstakes model and navigating shifting state regulations His perspective on DraftKings, Kalshi, and the future of CFTC-approved prediction exchanges The retention challenges facing prediction markets and how Verse plans to gamify the experience Building a lean, agile startup team — and the value of staying alive through constant pivots How younger generations see gambling differently, shaped by crypto, trading, and gamified culture The long-term vision: becoming a top-tier prediction operator within five years   ⚡️ Follow BoB on Twitter/X ⚡️ Watch BoB on Youtube   ⚡️ Apply to be a guest here --- This podcast is presented by Optimove, the #1 CRM Marketing solution for the iGaming industry. Since 2012, Optimove has served iGaming Operators from startups to industry leaders. Today, 4 out of the Top 5 US Operators Personalize Player Experiences with Optimove. iGaming operators know their growth journey begins and continues with Optimove, the #1 CRM Marketing solution for the iGaming industry. Get your first month free: https://optimove.com/businessofbetting

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