Through the Fog

In this season finale of Through the Fog, host Pierre du Plessis dives deep with financial planner, entrepreneur, and thinker Nathan Mersereau. Broadcasting from opposite ends of the globe, Pierre and Nathan explore how our stories around money shape our lives, the pitfalls of measuring success purely through wealth, and the transformative power of introspection.

From soup kitchens to billionaire compounds, Nathan's story challenges listeners to reconsider what it means to be truly wealthy.

Links:

- True Wealth Assessment” and “Money Personality Quiz” https://planningalt.com/quiz-assessment-landing-page

- Book: The Untethered Soul, Michael A. Singer https://amzn.eu/d/eQdrl7Y

- Find Nathan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathan-mersereau-cfp%C2%AE-a984761/

Timestamps:

00:00 - Where do you find yourself today?

01:48 - Tell us a bit about Nathan. Who are you?

04:40 - What is Nathan's craziest idea?

05:34 - What did you want to be when you were growing up?

08:22 - Did you think money was the ultimate marker of success?

10:38 - When did you realise what life is really about?

13:40 - Did you ever feel like money was tainted or wrong?

17:06 - Why do you think people are so obsessed with money?

20:08 - Why is money the marker that we use?

23:12 - When is enough, enough?

29:02 - Have you encountered wealthy people who aren’t lonely?

32:25 - How did you get to that point of seeing wealth differently?

36:34 - How do the habits that create success become imprisoning?

43:35 - What are some practical steps to self-reflect and start a new path?

47:58 - Are those communities you described the wealthiest people on the planet?

50:19 - Is money objectively scarce or abundant?

54:55 - What’s the soup story Miranda told me to ask about?

58:09 - How do you make big life decisions?

01:12:46 - What’s one of the worst decisions you’ve ever made?

01:14:42 - Have you had the chance to speak to your father about that?

01:16:55 - What lies ahead for you?

01:24:09 - What is a quote that you live by?

01:25:47 - Where can people find you online if they want to connect or follow you? “True Wealth Assessment” and “Money Personality Quiz” · Book: The Untethered Soul, Michael A. Singer · Find Nathan

In this episode of Through the Fog, Pierre sits down with Guy Ellis, global entrepreneur, investor, and co-founder of the Lekker Network. With over 60 board, advisory, and founder roles, Guy shares a wealth of insight into entrepreneurship, emotional intelligence, and the power of helping others. From his roots as a wannabe “Dr. Farmer” to his groundbreaking work at Harvard and across global markets, Guy explores how authentic connection can unlock transformative opportunities. Tune in for a heartfelt conversation about patriotism, privilege, purpose, and how South Africans can—and are—changing the world.

Links:

Guy Ellis - https://www.linkedin.com/in/guy-ellis/

Guy's first book is out soon: The Negotiation Code

Timestamps:

00:00 - Introduction and quick banter

01:00 - Meet Guy Ellis: Global entrepreneur & Harvard instructor

02:25 - The origin of a “Dr. Farmer” dream

04:50 - Helping others and early signs of a mission

06:00 - Defining “Expansion through Connection”

07:30 - Is the self-made man a myth?

09:30 - A pivotal moment: reshaping a business from scratch

13:50 - The origin story of the Lekker Network

17:30 - Building intentional, impactful networks

20:50 - The importance of helping without agenda

23:30 - Living abroad but loving South Africa

27:00 - What it means to be South African

30:00 - Fixing South Africa: Right person, right seat

34:00 - South African talent and the Springboks metaphor

36:00 - Challenges in government and business alignment

39:00 - How small business owners can make change

41:00 - What gives Guy hope for the country

44:00 - South Africans abroad: Not traitors, just dispersed impact

46:00 - The uniquely South African spirit of friendliness and resilience

49:00 - The cultural magic of meeting South Africans abroad

51:30 - Emotional connection and nostalgia for home

54:00 - The role of adversity in creating grit and talent

56:00 - Overcoming scarcity mindsets

58:00 - Celebrating informal connections and spontaneous chats

1:00:00 - Picking South Africa’s “one thing” to rally around

1:02:00 - The challenge of focus in national strategy

1:04:00 - Harnessing the power of South Africans globally

1:07:00 - Reclaiming civic agency: citizens should direct the government

1:10:00 - Breaking free from limiting narratives and perceived disloyalty

1:13:00 - Creating the bridge from now to a brighter future

1:16:00 - Humility vs. self-deprecation among South Africans

1:18:00 - Closing thoughts: freedom, connection, and what comes next

In this deeply personal and visionary episode, Pierre speaks with Justinus, a passionate entrepreneur and co-founder of WeThinkCode_, about building a more equitable South Africa. They dive into Justinus’s background, his love for rugby, and the transformative power of access to education and opportunity. From developing world-class coders from underserved communities to launching a bold new initiative inspired by South Africa’s Rugby World Cup victories, Justinus shares a blueprint for national renewal rooted in inclusivity and grit.

Justinus is a serial entrepreneur, having been co-founder at Private Property Holdings and WeThinkCode_ in South Africa, Entabeni Systems and Umgundi Holdings in Canada. He has been in the Entrepreneurs' Organization for 14 years, and has been part of 5 chapters over that period.Today Justinus and his wife are building a business focussed on optimizing for impact not just value. An avid sports fan and traveller he loves visiting live sports events all over the world with his family and spends many hours next to sport fields supporting his two teenage kids.When you meet him, be sure to ask if he enjoys Nando’s.

Links and books:

Hidden Potential by Adam Grant

👉 https://exclusivebooks.co.za/products/9780753560051

Grit: The Power of Passion and Perseverance by Angela Duckworth

👉 https://exclusivebooks.co.za/products/9781785040207

Time to Think by Nancy Kline

👉 https://exclusivebooks.co.za/products/9780706377453

The Art of Possibility by Rosamund Stone Zander & Benjamin Zander

👉 https://www.penguinrandomhouse.co.za/book/art-possibility-practices-leadership-relationship-and-passion/9780142001103

https://wethinkcode.co.za/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/justinusadriaanse

Timestamps:

[00:01:00] Justinus on Lowveld living and escaping Cape Town winters.

[00:03:44] Pretoria roots, rugby dreams, and school memories.

[00:06:39] The spark for WeThinkCode_: bridging access and building coders.

[00:08:01] From 50,000 applicants to 500 students: creating a scalable tech pipeline.

[00:09:54] Gender parity and diversity in tech education.

[00:10:54] Graduation day: joy, family pride, and life-changing milestones.

[00:12:00] A new mission: Project 95 and the dream of five more World Cup wins.

[00:15:43] Rugby development lessons from Ireland and South Africa’s Eastern Cape.

[00:17:00] Sunday rugby in small towns: discovering forgotten fields and fanatical culture.

[00:20:05] The impact of malnutrition on athletic potential.

[00:24:24] Why “95” is more than a number—it’s a national memory.

[00:26:00] Access vs. outcomes: the quota question and educational inequality.

[00:30:50] Screening for grit and agency at WeThinkCode_.

[00:33:00] Holding standards high while removing financial barriers.

[00:36:44] Why success requires stability over decades—not just talent.

[00:39:12] Comparing school funding models in the US and Canada.

[00:42:00] Recreating high-performing public schools across the nation.

[00:43:29] Why rugby is more than a game: a symbol of belonging and memory.

[00:45:51] Settling in Ontario, Canada: skiing, seasons, and new routines.

[00:46:58] How skiing became a lifelong passion—and the excuse to move abroad.

[00:49:40] Life lessons from the slopes: discomfort, growth, and persistence.

[00:52:00] Teaching kids courage, taking calculated risks, and embracing adventure.

[00:56:00] The rhythm of family life, travel, and the search for balance.

[01:00:00] The link between nostalgia, passion, and purpose.

[01:05:00] Building identity through shared rituals and cultural storytelling.

[01:10:00] Creating community in diaspora—keeping South Africa close while living abroad.

[01:15:00] Future plans: nomadic living, giving back, and staying connected.

[01:20:00] Justinus’s vision for legacy, leadership, and long-term impact.

[01:25:00] Final reflections: leaning into the discomfort and doing the hard things.

In this engaging and thought-provoking episode, Pierre sits down with futurist and economist Bronwyn Williams. Together, they dive deep into what it means to live purposefully in a chaotic world, the future of work in an age of AI, and how to retain agency in a society leaning towards automation and comfort. Bronwyn discusses the value of being a professional outsider, the illusion of goals for the hyper-intelligent, and her unconventional approach to decision-making and success. It’s a conversation that challenges norms and offers rich insights into how we think about work, value, and freedom.

Timestamps:

[00:01:10] – Where are you right now? Bronwyn on the liminal, nomadic millennial state.

00:02:11] – Why goals don’t work for really smart people.

[00:04:34] – A day in Bronwyn’s life: reading, writing, and speaking.

[00:06:30] – How Bronwyn uses AI to aid in the creative process, not replace it.

[00:09:50] – Her mission as a professional observer and outsider.

[00:13:29] – From spy dreams to futurist: Bronwyn’s unconventional career path.

[00:14:52] – Is studying still worthwhile? Bronwyn breaks it down.

[00:18:39] – What gives Bronwyn hope? People who plant trees.

[00:19:34] – What makes her angry? The myth of no agency.

[00:25:49] – Why we can’t have liberty, equality, and fraternity all at once.

[00:32:53] – How Bronwyn makes decisions and navigates life.

[00:37:35] – Embracing unemployability and escaping the “soggy middle”.

[00:41:55] – The delusion of value in middle-class salary jobs.

[00:44:00] – The psychological impact of overpaid roles and perceived entitlement.

[00:46:15] – Technological progress and the risk to the squishy middle.

[00:48:45] – How Bronwyn defines value and agency in a world of automation.

[00:50:20] – Why most people crave direction over freedom.

[00:53:00] – The outsider’s role in leadership, foresight, and change.

[00:56:15] – The myth of the benign dictator and the desire to escape responsibility.

[00:59:00] – What Jesus, Voltaire, and Mary Poppins have in common with futurists.

[01:01:30] – Final thoughts on belief, free will, and the agency to shape the future.

LINKS

More about Pierre: https://thisispierre.co

Find Bronwyn on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bronwynwilliams/

More about Bronwyn's work: https://fluxtrends.co.za

Get her latest book: Survive the AI Apocalypse: https://www.takealot.com/survive-the-ai-apocalypse/PLID98648877

In this episode of Through the Fog, we sit down with Flip van der Merwe, former Springbok rugby player turned French-resident strategist. Flip shares his remarkable journey from growing up on a farm in the Kalahari, to playing international rugby, to raising a bilingual family abroad. We explore the interplay between tradition and modernity, the challenges of choosing where to raise children, the search for meaning beyond sport, and how language, faith, and culture weave into identity.

00:00 Introduction and Background

08:27 Navigating Language and Cultural Identity

19:02 Religion and Family Traditions

27:03 Childhood Dreams and Rugby Journey

32:54 Blessings and Curses of Talent

38:36 Education and Career Pathways

45:44 The Impact of Choices on Identity

54:40 Legacy and Masculinity in Modern Society

01:00:52 Legacy and Lessons from the Past

01:07:01 Navigating Difficult Conversations

01:13:05 Finding Joy in Parenthood and Fitness

01:19:34 Future Aspirations and Impact