Mamamia Out Loud

It’s all anyone’s talking about: petrol. How much it’s costing, how much there is to go around and how much worse are things going to get? Is the panic caused by this consequence of war in the Middle East warranted, considering the humanitarian crisis unfolding at the same time? And how do we keep our cool, particularly those of us in regional areas where public transport is a myth?
Plus, Sarah Ferguson has been caught up in a controversy that is, frankly, bizarre even for the royals: she’s been approached to clone and sell Queen Elizabeth's corgis for a reality TV show. Is cloning the late Queen’s pets the ultimate side hustle or a bridge too far?
In other business, noughties fashion icon Rachel Zoe is back in the algorithm, and she’s hard launching her 'divorce era' on The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Is the 'Hot Divorcee' trope actually the most empowering thing on TV right now?
And, we remember Married At First Sight expert Mel Schilling, who has passed away at 54. Her 'Why Not?' attitude and her work raising awareness of colon cancer is a legacy we’re holding close today. As Mel was passionate about telling busy women: If something doesn't feel right, please, get it checked out.
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Listen to our latest episode: Three Very Different Opinions On Lindy West’s Throuple
Listen: Polyamory, Cheating & The Marriage No One Wants To Believe
Listen: An Unhinged List Of Rules No One Asked For
Listen: Mia's Diary Note: Burnout & Bras & Books, Oh My!
Listen: A Dangerous Influencer Trend & Scurrilous Lip-Reading Gossip
Listen: 'Are Flaps In Or Out?' Mia's Rogue Oscars Fashion Feedback
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Listen: What We Did Before 9am
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What to read:
We need to discuss Fergie and the alleged 'corgi cloning'.
Beloved MAFS expert, Mel Schilling, has died aged 54.
Meghan Markle is coming to Australia. And so, it seems, is her jam.
Rachel Zoe became one of the most famous faces in fashion. This is what her life looks like now.
'At 51, I know one thing. You aren't meant to be with one person for the rest of your life.'
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The death of millennial feminism. A bad marriage. Absolutely none of our business.
These are just some of the Internet’s takes on the memoir Adult Braces by millennial icon Lindy West. And of course Mia — who has met and interviewed Lindy and found her delightful and blisteringly smart — has a few opinions of her own.
Joined on this subscriber episode by Clare Stephens and Holly Wainwright, Mia asks and answers some questions about the most talked-about memoir of the moment. Questions like: If you spill all the details of your polyamorous throuple in a series of personal essays, can you actually argue that your relationship is not 'for public audit'? And: Do we just find it impossible to believe a woman can be happy in a non-monogamous relationship? And: When someone tells you they really, really don’t want to be monogamous, shouldn’t you just believe them?

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Listen to our latest episode: Polyamory, Cheating & The Marriage No One Wants To Believe
Listen: An Unhinged List Of Rules No One Asked For
Listen: Mia's Diary Note: Burnout & Bras & Books, Oh My!
Listen: A Dangerous Influencer Trend & Scurrilous Lip-Reading Gossip
Listen: 'Are Flaps In Or Out?' Mia's Rogue Oscars Fashion Feedback
Listen: A Very Awkward Oscars & That Manosphere Doco
Listen: What We Did Before 9am
Listen: A Lil' Treat: Jessie’s Very Surprising, Very Wonderful Twins Update
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What to read:
Author Lindy West thought she had a 'perfect' marriage. Then her husband asked to open it.
Lindy West: "I was in a relationship with a guy who was embarrassed to be seen with me in public."
Lindy West: "My abortion was simple with no pain. We need to hear these stories."
He set up a fake profile of her deceased father, just to mess with her.
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Question: Why was the latest season of The Bachelorette US cancelled days before release, costing more than US$30 million? Well, it’s got something to do with stunt casting and a very disturbing video leak…
Also, millennial feminist icon Lindy West has written a memoir about being in a happily married throuple. The problem is, the Internet has seen her unvarnished honesty and unilaterally decided her book is a lie. Does West protest too much? Or do we have a problem believing a woman could ever be happy beyond the white picket fence?
Plus, nap times, little lunch and a giant TV on wheels. Things we miss from primary school that should definitely be part of the workplace, pls.
And, Chappell Roan and Coldplay kiss-cam star Kristin Cabot have some facts for us about public shaming.
Oh, and how about those Matildas? The lessons we can only learn from (almost) winning.
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What To Listen To Next:
Listen to No Filter: Lindy West Isn't Afraid to Take Up Space.
Listen to our latest episode: An Unhinged List Of Rules No One Asked For
Listen: Mia's Diary Note: Burnout & Bras & Books, Oh My!
Listen: A Dangerous Influencer Trend & Scurrilous Lip-Reading Gossip
Listen: 'Are Flaps In Or Out?' Mia's Rogue Oscars Fashion Feedback
Listen: A Very Awkward Oscars & That Manosphere Doco
Listen: What We Did Before 9am
Listen: A Lil' Treat: Jessie’s Very Surprising, Very Wonderful Twins Update
Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts
Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.
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Watch Australia's #1 podcast, Mamamia Out Loud:
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What to read:
Author Lindy West thought she had a 'perfect' marriage. Then her husband asked to open it.
Lindy West: "I was in a relationship with a guy who was embarrassed to be seen with me in public."
Chappell Roan can take a stand, we apparently just need her to suffer a bit first.
Kristin was at the centre of the Coldplay kiss cam video. She just shared her side of the story.
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Your 'difficult' friends aren't just annoying; they are literally bad for your health. No big deal but it’s official: 'Hasslers' who create drama also accelerate your ‘biological decay’. Is it time to prune the friend tree for the sake of your longevity?
Plus, Belle Burden’s divorce memoir Strangers has the internet asking if telling your 'emotional truth' is just a fancy term for fibbing. With inconsistencies surfacing, Clare wonders if we even care about facts if the story is good, while Em insists that if you’re selling your life story, the least you can do is tell the truth. So, who owns your story and… does the truth even matter any more?
Meanwhile, in other business, Em presents an 'unhinged' list of rules that states men shouldn't drink matcha and women shouldn't know movie directors' names. Yes, it appears we’re all living in her Mojo Dojo Casa House now.
Oh, and, in breaking news, we’ve all been saying 'Chupa Chups' wrong.
RECOMMENDATIONS
Clare recommends Australian Story: Raising Richard — the moving story of a mother who’s been caring for her son for over 30 years.
Holly recommend Tarte Shape Tape peach corrector for undereye dark circles.
Em recommends Project Hail Mary — a "science-y" space flick starring Ryan Gosling.

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Listen: 'Are Flaps In Or Out?' Mia's Rogue Oscars Fashion Feedback
Listen: A Very Awkward Oscars & That Manosphere Doco
Listen: What We Did Before 9am
Listen: A Lil' Treat: Jessie’s Very Surprising, Very Wonderful Twins Update
Listen: Mia, Female Friendships & The '3-Word Rule'
Listen: A Reluctant Pregnancy Announcement On Live TV
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What to read:
'I've been an oversharer my whole life. Finally, science says that's a good thing.'
This woman's unbelievable life story was turned into a movie. Then she was accused of making it up.
Looking for a good autobiography? Here are the 10 best memoirs we've ever read.
'Mate. Get your d*ck sorted.' A very honest recap of the most bizarre parts of Spare.
The 6 words you've been mispronouncing your whole entire life.
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CREDITS:
Hosts: Emily Vernem, Clare Stephens & Holly Wainwright
Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine
Executive Producer: Sasha Tannock
Audio Producer: Leah Porges
Video Producer: Josh Green
Junior Content Producer: Tessa Kotowicz
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Outlouders, enjoy this free taster of Mia Freedman on today's subscriber episode. Listen to the full conversation — 'Mia's Diary Note: Burnout & Bras & Books, Oh My!' — at 5 pm TODAY. What do you mean, you're not a subscriber yet? Solve that problem HERE.
Mia is deep in a nostalgia hole this week after bingeing the JFK Jr. and Carolyn Bessette-Kennedy series, Love Story. It turns out, seeing a world without DMs, TikTok trends, or the urge to live-stream your breakfast has her ready to trade her smartphone for a flip phone and some chic minimalism. Are we actually 'connected' or just... exhausted?
In this episode:
The 'Always On' Burnout: Mia gets real about the specific brand of fatigue that comes from being reachable 24/7. When did 'relaxing' become just another word for 'scrolling in a different room'?

The Content Trap: Why are we obsessed with turning every family moment into a production for the group chat? Mia asks if it’s possible to just exist — without looking for the best lighting.

Mia's Reccos
The retro chocolate bar making a comeback in Mia’s pantry.
The sports bra finally doing the literal heavy lifting.
The memoir sparking a heated debate: is supporting your partner’s career a romantic gesture or a professional death wish?
Remember, this is your free sample of today's subs episode. The full debrief drops for subscribers at 5pm.
Get 25% off Nala with your Mamamia subscription. Click here to get your code ends April 1st.
What To Listen To Next:
Listen to our latest episode: A Dangerous Influencer Trend & Scurrilous Lip-Reading Gossip
Listen: 'Are Flaps In Or Out?' Mia's Rogue Oscars Fashion Feedback
Listen: A Very Awkward Oscars & That Manosphere Doco
Listen: What We Did Before 9am
Listen: A Lil' Treat: Jessie’s Very Surprising, Very Wonderful Twins Update
Listen: Mia, Female Friendships & The '3-Word Rule'
Listen: A Reluctant Pregnancy Announcement On Live TV
Listen: Mia's Diary Note: What I Didn't Expect About Being A Nana
Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts
Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.
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Watch Australia's #1 podcast, Mamamia Out Loud:
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What to read:
Mia Freedman steps down from No Filter after 10 years. Kate Langbroek announced as new host.
‘There’s a loneliness that comes from knowing you’re too much.’ What happened when I was diagnosed with ADHD at 49.
MIA FREEDMAN: 'The type of burnout I didn't realise I had.'
Mia Freedman on starting a media company with her husband.
This new series tackles the complicated legacy of the '90s hottest couple.
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Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast.
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