Is the Shutdown Really Over? Plus, More Epstein Files Leak, and the State of the GOP With Emma Vigeland! | Higher Learning | The Ringer
Rachel and Van start the show by reacting to the Epstein emails released by both Democrats and Republicans. Then, they are joined by former reporter for the Young Turks and current co-host of the Majority Report, Emma Vigeland, to talk about the Epstein files, the state of the GOP, and the characteristics of useful disagreements between progressives. Later, they talk about the response toward Donald Trump’s appearance on the Pat McAfee Show for Veterans Day, and Rachel gives an apology rating to Kayla Nicole. Last, they end the show with a segment of VanLaTEN.
00:00 - Welcome!
05:08 - Updates on the Epstein files
32:04 - Emma Vigeland joins us!
1:31:39 - Trump on the Pat McAfee Show
2:01:15 - Rachel’s apology rating: Kayla Nicole’s old tweets
2:19:15 - The VanLaTEN: “Top five dudes that got their friends killed in movies”
2:29:04 - Thanks for watching!
Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay
Guest: Emma Vigeland
Producers: Ashleigh Smith and Donnie Beacham
Video Supervision: Chris Thomas
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The End of the Shutdown With Representative Summer Lee. Plus, Reactions to the ‘Michael’ Trailer
Van and Rachel discuss the agreement to end the government shutdown before welcoming Representative Summer Lee to give her perspective as a congresswoman. Then Van gives his take on the controversy surrounding James Talarico’s social media habits, and a Michael Jackson impersonator responds to the trailer for the biopic ‘Michael.’
00:00 Intro
(6:13) Government shutdown ends
(31:00) Representative Summer Lee joins the show
(1:23:13) James Talarico follows adult film stars
(1:30:58) Reactions to the ‘Michael’ trailer
Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay
Guests: Rep. Summer Lee
Producers: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Ashleigh Smith
Video Supervision: Chris Thomas
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The New Blue Wave, a Great Value Economy, and the Act of Centering Men. Plus, Talking the World Series With Jesse Blake! | Higher Learning | The Ringer
Rachel and Van start the show with a recap of the recent elections, including what the “blue wave” of elected officials means for the future of politics, the passage of Prop 50, and the reactions to Zohran Mamdani winning the NYC mayoral election. Then, they are joined by Jesse Blake, co-owner of the podcast network SDPN, to talk about the World Series and what it’s like being a Toronto Blue Jays fan. Finally, they talk about the developing GOP “civil war” over Nick Fuentes before getting into Summer Walker’s newest cover art and the viral discussion about whether it is embarrassing to have a boyfriend.
00:00 - Welcome!
04:34 - Election night recaps
32:02 - Van Jones comments on Zohran Mamdani
1:04:06 - Jesse Blake joins the show
1:18:13 - Has a GOP civil war begun?
1:40:32 - Summer Walker’s new album artwork
1:52:17 - Embarrassing boyfriends
2:10:35 - Thanks for watching!
Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay
Guest: Jesse Blake
Producer: Ashleigh Smith and Donnie Beacham
Video Supervision: Chris Thomas
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A Broken White House, With Karine Jean-Pierre. Plus, the End of SNAP?
Jomi Adeniran joins Rachel and Van to react to the Dodgers winning a classic World Series before discussing the Trump administration’s efforts to cut the funding for SNAP. Then, Karine Jean-Pierre, the White House press secretary for the Biden administration, joins to talk about her new book, ‘Independent: A Look Inside a Broken White House, Outside the Party Lines’; the response to her book tour; and the reasons behind her exit from the Democratic Party.
00:00 Dodgers' World Series win
(18:20) Efforts to end SNAP
(1:01:06) Ignoring the blackface costumes
(1:08:39) Karine Jean-Pierre joins the show
(1:12:46) A look into the book
(1:22:11) A broken White House
(1:38:17) Where should the party go?
(2:13:38) Graham Platner’s campaign
Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay
Guests: Oluwajomiloju Adeniran and Karine Jean-Pierre
Producers: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Ashleigh Smith
Video Supervision: Chris Thomas
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Black Political Power and Jesse Jackson, With Abby Phillip! Plus, Elections Galore and a Red Alert for Hip-Hop. | Higher Learning | The Ringer
Rachel and Van start the show with a conversation on the Virginia election and intercommunity politics concerning Black Republicans. Then they are joined by Abby Phillip, anchor of 'NewsNight' on CNN, to talk about her latest book, 'A Dream Deferred: Jesse Jackson and the Fight for Black Political Power.' They end the show by giving their thoughts on the Billboard Hot 100's top 40 not having any rap songs for the first time since 1990.
00:00 - Welcome!
01:27 - Virginia Election Day approaches
16:12 - NYC mayoral race
38:50 - California’s Prop 50
51:58 - Abby Phillip joins us!
1:53:31 - The attack on SNAP benefits and resources
1:56:09 - Billboard Hot 100’s top 40: no rap songs
2:13:31 - Thanks for watching!
Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay
Guest: Abby Phillip
Producers: Donnie Beacham and Ashleigh Smith
Video Supervision: Chris Thomas
RESOURCES :
Detroit Farmers Giving Away Food
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DQa5L7jDRa3/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
LA County Mobilizes Food Assistance as Federal Government Shutdown Continues
https://lacounty.gov/2025/10/28/la-county-mobilizes-food-assistance-as-federal-government-shutdown-continues/
SNAP benefits ending: Here's where you can get emergency assistance in Southern California
https://www.foxla.com/news/snap-benefits-ending-november-government-shutdown
SNAP runs out of money Nov. 1. Here's what that means in your state
https://www.npr.org/2025/10/28/g-s1-95189/snap-food-stamps-government-shutdown-november
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About Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay
Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay dissect the biggest topics in Black culture, politics, and sports. Two times per week, they will wade into the most important and timely conversations, frequently inviting guests on the podcast and occasionally debating each other.