The Science of Scaling

• Every Founder Needs To Sell w/ Frederic Kerrest (Co-Founder, Okta)

  Get the Science of Scaling Database! Real Playbooks from Billion-Dollar Companies: ⁠⁠https://clickhubspot.com/scienceofscaling Every founder needs to sell. If you're not comfortable selling, then get comfortable. I see too many founders think that once they've secured the first revenue & gotten Series A they can hire a professional sales team. Wrong. Today's guest Frederic Kerrest (Co-Founder, Okta) tells us why it's so important for founders to be salespeople, and the when & how to start building your team. Use referral code: SOS to request your spot at this year's  ⁠⁠HubSpot AiSummit 2025⁠⁠ in San Francisco on June 11. The Science of Scaling is a HubSpot Media podcast in partnership with Hubspot for Startups// ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Learn more about HubSpot for Startups⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ // Produced by Matthew Brown

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• Rule of 40 vs Grow At All Costs w/ Mark Wayland (CRO, Box)

  Get the Science of Scaling Database! Real Playbooks from Billion-Dollar Companies: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://clickhubspot.com/scienceofscaling⁠⁠⁠⁠ When budgets are tight and every rep needs to perform, you need force multipliers, not more headcount. Sometimes you need Rule of 40 -- a private equity orientation that can still lead to great success for the founders, the executives, and the investors. Mark Wayland (CRO, Box) talk about how only a few months into his grow at all costs company he found himself with an activist investor and a pivot to Rule of 40. The Science of Scaling is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by HubSpot Media in collaboration with ⁠HubSpot For Startups⁠ // Produced by Matthew Brown.

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• How to Pivot The Model, The Playbook & The Team When The Macro Changes w/ Carina Brockl (fmr. CRO, Aurora Solar)

  Get the Science of Scaling Database! Real Playbooks from Billion-Dollar Companies: ⁠⁠https://clickhubspot.com/scienceofscaling You've navigated your company to unicorn status. Crack the champagne, ring the bell, and hang the banner. Only, months later the macro changes. Now, you need to pivot the model, pivot the playbook, and pivot the team. Today I'm joined by Carina Brockl, (fmr. CRO, Aurora Solar) who faced these challenging shifts and tells us how she navigated them. The Science of Scaling is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by HubSpot Media in collaboration with ⁠HubSpot For Startups⁠ // Produced by Matthew Brown.

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• GTM in the AI Era w/ Andy Shorkey (CRO, Writer)

  Get the Science of Scaling Database! Real Playbooks from Billion-Dollar Companies: ⁠⁠⁠https://clickhubspot.com/scienceofscaling There's tremendous conviction that AI is eating the software ecosystem. Well, today we speak with Andy Shorkey (CRO, Writer). Not only is he navigating all the complexities of bringing native AI products to market, he's also reinventing the way that go-to market is done internally in a far more efficient way in the post AI world. LINKS Exclusive ICP Expansion Guide: https://clickhubspot.com/ahk The Science of Scaling is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by HubSpot Media in collaboration with ⁠HubSpot For Startups⁠ // Produced by Matthew Brown.

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• How to Cold Call When 90% Hang Up (Roleplay)

  Get the Science of Scaling Database! Real Playbooks from Billion-Dollar Companies: ⁠⁠https://clickhubspot.com/scienceofscaling Send me your cold calls! Email us at [email protected]. I'll help you set more meetings &. we'll use your call in an upcoming video. So Producer Matthew fails at cold calling. But he learns the framework that actually works. *Stop freezing up on sales calls, get a script!* 🔗 https://clickhubspot.com/29868f I roped in Producer Matthew to actually try selling me a pizza. It was terrifying. But even if you're good at this, you get hung up on 90% of the time. I break down what makes effective cold calls work - from the opening line that gets you past those crucial first seconds, to handling objections without needing people to like you (apparently my people-pleasing instincts are a sales career killer). You'll learn Sam Nelson's proven framework that even Harvard Business School students use, why sounding like a "nervous 14-year-old" is actually better than sounding polished, and how to stay in the objection "flywheel" until you get that meeting. If you're still reading this, go ahead and drop a cold calling story in the comments. I'll be waiting!! Follow us on YouTube at The Science of Scaling: 🔗 www.youtube.com/@ScienceofScaling

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