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    From Cape Town to China: A South African Author's New Chapter- Ep 77 with James Fouche

    2026/07/30 | 47 mins.
    Crime novelist, screenwriter and creative writing graduate James Fouché has swapped Cape Town for central China, where he's beginning a completely new chapter—not only in his career, but in his family's life.
    After years of building businesses in South Africa, publishing crime novels and teaching online, James made the leap to China to teach English at a medical university. His wife and three homeschooled children will soon join him, turning what began as a solo adventure into a family relocation.
    In this conversation, James shares what it's really like living in a part of China where almost nobody speaks English, adapting to a completely different culture, and preparing his family for one of the biggest moves of their lives.
    We also dive into his career as a crime writer, why South Africa provides such rich storytelling material, China's remarkable pace of development, and why stepping outside your comfort zone can change your perspective forever.
    It's an honest and fascinating conversation about creativity, family, and embracing the unknown.
    "It's a big world out there. You're doing your kids a disservice if you keep them in a tiny triangle." — James Fouché
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    TIMESTAMPS
    00:01 – Introducing author James Fouché
    03:22 – Growing up in Cape Town and becoming a writer
    06:14 – Why he moved to China
    08:30 – Turning South African crime into compelling fiction
    13:48 – Releasing his latest novel Grey
    16:22 – First impressions of living in China
    18:31 – Preparing his family for the move
    19:23 – Learning Chinese and overcoming the language barrier
    21:30 – Teaching English at a Chinese university
    22:58 – Adapting to Chinese food and culture
    24:17 – Finding great coffee in central China
    26:45 – China's emerging wine industry
    28:29 – The surprisingly low cost of living
    31:09 – Teaching at a medical university
    32:51 – Chinese bureaucracy and work visas
    35:51 – Healthcare and China's rapid development
    38:39 – WeChat, Alipay and China's digital society
    41:10 – What he misses most about South Africa
    43:14 – Is China a long-term move?
    45:01 – How living abroad changes your perspective
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    Connect with James Fouché
    🌐 Website: www.jamesfouche.com
    📘 Facebook: @JamesFoucheWrites
    📷 Instagram: @JamesFoucheWrites

    Connect with the podcast
    Website: www.therelocatedsouthafrican.com
    Podcast: The Relocated South African — available on Spotify and all major podcast platforms.
    If James' story resonated with you, please share this episode with someone considering life abroad—or anyone curious about living and working in China.
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    From Pretoria to Poland: Finding Home in Unexpected Places-Ep 76 with Retha Jacobs

    2026/07/27 | 49 mins.
    After 25 years abroad, Retha Jacobs has built a life across three countries—but South Africa has never left her heart.

    Growing up in Pretoria, Retha took the road less travelled. She skipped university after school, moved to London with friends, later completed degrees in Human Movement Science and Neuroscience, and eventually found herself in Poland—a country she knew almost nothing about before falling in love with its mountains, culture and people.

    Over the past decade she's built businesses in tourism, coached squash, become fascinated by mushrooms, and embraced life in one of Europe's fastest-growing economies.
    In this conversation, Retha shares what it's really like living in Poland, learning one of the world's most difficult languages, building a business as a foreigner, and why, after 25 years overseas, she feels an even stronger pull back to South Africa.

    It's a fascinating look at a country few South Africans know—and a reminder that sometimes the longest journeys lead you back to your roots.

    "Life is so short, and there are so many places to see and people to meet. Every country changes you." — Retha Jacobs
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    For over 30 years Sable International has offered seamless solutions that simplify the complexities of cross-border movement and financial management, so that you can focus on what matters most – building your future beyond borders.
    Find out how Sable International can support your journey:
    https://bit.ly/3R3g1sy
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    TIMESTAMPS
    00:01 – Introducing Retha Jacobs
    00:57 – From Pretoria to London
    04:22 – Why she moved to Poland
    06:57 – Learning the Polish language
    10:25 – Neuroscience, entrepreneurship and curiosity
    11:32 – Building a tourism business in Poland
    13:48 – Poland's national sport: mushroom picking
    17:10 – Mushrooms, neuroscience and PTSD research
    19:55 – Squash, sport and staying active
    23:56 – What makes Poland unique
    27:47 – Cost of living in Poland
    32:42 – Healthcare and quality of life
    35:50 – Business, bureaucracy and taxes
    37:39 – Residency, passports and Brexit
    41:39 – Missing South Africa after 25 years abroad
    44:33 – Advice for South Africans considering emigration
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    Documents with convenience.
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    Connect with Retha Jacobs:
    https://www.linkedin.com/in/retha-jacobs-470b7355/

    Connect with the podcast:
    Website: www.therelocatedsouthafrican.com
    Podcast: The Relocated South African — available on Spotify and all major podcast platforms.
    If Retha's story inspired you, please share this episode with someone considering a move abroad—or someone curious about life in Poland.
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    From South Africa to the World: Lessons in Leadership and Life-Ep 75 with Dr Deepak Bhootra

    2026/07/23 | 58 mins.
    Dr. Deepak Bhootra spent 15 years building a career in South Africa before taking that experience across Singapore, India and eventually the United States.
    Born in India and raised around the world thanks to his father's work as a forensic pathologist, Deepak arrived in South Africa in the early 1990s and quickly discovered a country that would shape the rest of his life.
    Today he's based in Houston, where he coaches business leaders, entrepreneurs and sales professionals around the world. But despite living on three continents, he still credits South Africa for much of his work ethic, leadership philosophy and outlook on life.
    In this conversation, Deepak reflects on adapting to new cultures, earning trust, building a meaningful career, and why success is no longer measured by money—but by the lives you impact.
    It's a thoughtful conversation about identity, purpose and what emigrants can teach the world.
    "Success isn't about how much money you leave behind. It's about what people say about you when you're gone." — Dr. Deepak Bhootra
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    For over 30 years Sable International has offered seamless solutions that simplify the complexities of cross-border movement and financial management, so that you can focus on what matters most – building your future beyond borders.
    Find out how Sable International can support your journey: https://bit.ly/3R3g1sy
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    TIMESTAMPS
    00:11 – Introducing Dr. Deepak Bhootra
    01:06 – Life in Houston and surviving hurricanes
    02:32 – How his family ended up in South Africa
    06:12 – Falling in love with South Africa
    07:38 – South Africans' unique sense of humour
    10:09 – What South Africa taught him about work ethic
    12:52 – Experiencing South Africa before democracy
    17:02 – Leaving South Africa for Singapore
    20:18 – Moving to India, then Houston
    21:26 – Why South Africans succeed overseas
    29:12 – Reinventing yourself after emigration
    33:33 – Why trust is the foundation of success
    37:42 – Leadership, balance and life beyond work
    40:05 – How his definition of success changed forever
    47:39 – "Grow Together. Rejoice Together."
    51:00 – His message to South Africans living abroad
    56:35 – Where to connect with Dr. Deepak Bhootra
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    Your documents should not slow down your new life.
    Apostil obtains, processes and couriers South African police clearances, apostille certificates, unabridged documents and more, directly to your door, anywhere in the world.
    Fast, professional and stress-free.
    Need your documents sorted? Visit Apostil here:
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    Documents with convenience.

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    Connect with Dr. Deepak Bhootra:
    LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/deepakbhootra
    Website: www.deepakbhootra.com

    Connect with the podcast:
    Website: www.therelocatedsouthafrican.com
    Podcast: The Relocated South African — available on Spotify and all major podcast platforms.
    If Deepak's story resonated with you, please share this episode with another South African navigating life abroad.
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    Life's Way of Bringing You Magic —Ep 74 with Werner Trieloff

    2026/07/20 | 47 mins.
    Werner Trieloff left the Free State at 21, chased whiskey and languages through Scotland and London, then followed a Brazilian love story to Porto Alegre in 2008 with only enough Portuguese to order a beer. Nearly two decades later he runs a business connecting Africa, Brazil, Europe and the US — despite qualifying as a CA and never doing a single day of actual accounting since.

    Jan and Werner get into Brazil's brutal tax bureaucracy (rules can change ten times a day), the WhatsApp group of 55+ South Africans in Porto Alegre swapping milk tart recipes, and why joining a local rugby club and a motorbike gang did more for Werner's integration than any expat community ever could.

    "Life has got its way of bringing magic to you." — Werner Trieloff

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    For over 30 years Sable International has offered seamless solutions that simplify the complexities of cross-border movement and financial management, so that you can focus on what matters most to you – building your future beyond borders.Find out how Sable International can support your journey: https://bit.ly/3R3g1sy
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    TIMESTAMPS
    00:10 – Welcome to Werner in Porto Alegre
    00:52 – Where Porto Alegre sits in Brazil
    01:53 – Free State roots, early moves abroad
    03:11 – Meeting a Brazilian in Austria
    03:52 – Learning Portuguese from scratch
    04:55 – Whiskey connoisseur talk begins
    05:33 – Talisker 18 and Japanese Hibiki
    06:05 – From CA to management accounting
    06:52 – Hired without speaking Portuguese
    11:14 – Business grounding without doing accounting
    11:49 – South Africa, easiest entry to Africa
    12:46 – Africa's cultures vary country to country
    13:23 – Comparing Brazil and South Africa culture
    13:53 – Brazil's brutal tax complexity
    15:04 – South Africans in Brazil WhatsApp group
    16:57 – Continental Brazil, huge regional differences
    18:43 – Regional food differences across Brazil
    20:43 – Braai with just salt, no spice
    21:04 – Physical safety versus South Africa
    22:57 – Corruption and policing realities
    24:52 – Public healthcare system SUS explained
    26:35 – Visas, red tape, bureaucracy
    27:35 – Company registration much faster now
    30:42 – Biggest sacrifice: distance from family
    34:09 – Advice: find a local sport
    36:42 – Wife's adjustment to South Africa
    37:37 – Cost of living in Brazil
    38:58 – Minimum wage and daily prices
    40:20 – Comparing prices to Portugal, UK
    41:05 – Housing costs, apartment living
    41:56 – Would he ever return to SA?
    43:21 – Raising bicultural kids in Brazil
    44:55 – Advice to his 22-year-old self
    46:06 – How to connect with Werner

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    Connect with the podcast:
    Website: www.therelocatedsouthafrican.com
    Podcast: The Relocated South African — available on Spotify and all platforms

    Werner's on LinkedIn (Werner Trieloff) if you want to reach out about business in Brazil or planning a trip there.

    If this one hit home, send it to a fellow South African abroad — and follow the show wherever you listen.
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    Five Years of Visa Limbo, No Couch Included —Ep 73 with Justin Levitt

    2026/07/16 | 46 mins.
    Justin Levitt grew up in Welkom and Cape Town, toured the country as guitarist in rock band Red Tape Riot, then built a career in SEO.

    In 2019 he followed a partner to the Netherlands, landing in Amsterdam just two weeks before COVID lockdown hit.

    What followed was six unsettled years: a relationship that didn't survive lockdown isolation, a company sponsorship that evaporated when the business went bankrupt, and a year spent without a couch because he never knew if his contract would be renewed.

    Justin talks candidly about finally getting permanent residency, the night in Paris when the Springboks won the 2023 World Cup semi-final, and why he's still proudly South African at heart.

    "I don't know if I'm going to have my contract renewed. So, you know, I'll just live with the bare minimum until I really know." — Justin Levitt
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    For over 30 years Sable International has offered seamless solutions that simplify the complexities of cross-border movement and financial management, so that you can focus on what matters most to you – building your future beyond borders.Find out how Sable International can support your journey: ⁠https://bit.ly/3R3g1sy⁠ _____________________________________________________________

    TIMESTAMPS:
    00:26 – Guest intro: SEO specialist
    00:37 – Growing up in Welkom, the Goldfields
    01:04 – Welkom's famous traffic circle legend
    01:41 – School, university, bands in Cape Town
    03:22 – Landed in Netherlands, COVID hit
    04:18 – Learning guitar, convincing parents
    05:05 – Backing a solo artist, touring years
    06:40 – Forming rock band Red Tape Riot
    06:54 – Why music never became a career
    08:06 – Jan's theory: SA diversity vs France
    08:45 – Radio stations that once launched careers
    10:35 – Still plays guitar daily
    11:31 – What SEO actually means
    13:38 – Expectations before leaving SA
    14:53 – Netherlands isn't just a Dutch UK
    15:31 – Better government, worse restaurants
    15:59 – Afrikaans doesn't help much here
    16:47 – Dutch switch to English instantly
    17:10 – Dutch know little SA history
    17:51 – Arrived days before lockdown
    18:17 – Locked down in a small town
    19:02 – Lockdown strain on relationship
    20:06 – Dutch bureaucracy, organized online
    21:25 – Working remotely through lockdown
    22:17 – Never settled, five cities
    23:56 – Relationship ended in 2022
    24:50 – Biggest sacrifice: uncertainty
    25:45 – No couch for a year
    26:09 – No regrets despite the struggle
    27:20 – Struggle as priceless life experience
    28:57 – Dutch supermarkets' tiny meat sections
    30:30 – Hard to crack Dutch friend groups
    31:12 – South Africans seen as hardworking
    32:29 – Strict 5pm cutoff culture
    34:00 – Feels completely safe here
    35:36 – Still proudly South African
    38:31 – Who Holland suits best
    40:24 – Surprised by SA's racial dynamics
    40:51 – Advice: experience first, then leap
    41:50 – Doesn't see himself moving back
    42:08 – Realizing the weight he carried
    42:42 – Misses family and biltong most
    43:35 – Best night: Paris 2023 World Cup semi
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    Your documents should not slow down your new life.  Apostil obtains, processes, and couriers South African police clearances, apostille certificates, unabridged documents, and more, directly to your door, anywhere in the world. Fast, professional, and stress-free. Need your documents sorted?  Visit Apostil here -⁠⁠https://tinyurl.com/apostilcoza⁠⁠ Documents with convenience.

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    Connect with the podcast:
    Website: [www.therelocatedsouthafrican.com](https://www.therelocatedsouthafrican.com)
    Podcast: The Relocated South African — available on Spotify and all platforms

    Loved Justin's story? Share this episode with someone weighing their own move abroad.
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About The Relocated South African | Emigration stories
The show for navigating emigration from South Africa for a better future. Join host Jan Hugo as he shares authentic emigration stories from South Africans who've taken the leap. You'll hear about what drove their decision to leave, the mistakes they made, and how they've built new lives abroad. We'll explore everything from the emotional reality of leaving friends and family behind, to the challenges of emigrating to a foreign country. Relocating isn't always simple, but this show will provide you with the certainty, practical information and support to make the whole process easier.
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