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    James Waters, Founder of Kingdom Impact, on Balancing Prayerful Discernment and Strategic Analysis in Generosity (Ep. 187)

    2026/05/04 | 1h
    James Waters, founder of Kingdom Impact and leader in development of the Christian Impact Framework, joins Cody and Kealan to share how God reshaped his life from personal loss and restless success into a calling at the intersection of research, mission, and stewardship. After encountering Christ during university and later witnessing both the beauty and brokenness of global development work, James began asking deeper questions about how Christians can pursue meaningful impact without losing dependence on the Holy Spirit.

    Through his work, James now helps ministries, businesses, and givers think more clearly about spiritual and social impact, building frameworks that bring clarity without replacing prayerful discernment. He explores the tension between faithfulness and fruitfulness, showing how wise measurement can strengthen stewardship, deepen relationships, and ultimately give glory to God. At the same time, he acknowledges the challenges of pride, misplaced identity, and over-reliance on systems, pointing back to humility and obedience as the foundation for Kingdom impact.

    Consider how combining prayerful discernment with thoughtful strategy could reshape the way you pursue lasting Kingdom impact.

    Major Topics Include:

    Balancing faithfulness and measurable fruitfulness

    Stewardship through thoughtful impact measurement

    Tension between strategy and Holy Spirit dependence

    Defining and clarifying spiritual impact outcomes

    Avoiding noise by focusing measurement priorities

    Humility and teachability in Kingdom work

    Relational generosity versus transactional giving

    Identity, pride, and the savior mindset in giving

    Integrating prayer with strategic decision-making

    Diversity of callings in Kingdom impact

    QUOTES TO REMEMBER

    “Measure the impact and give Him all the glory.”

    “If you measure everything, you kind of measure nothing.”

    “We’re called to be accountable for our faithfulness, but true fruit comes from abiding in Jesus.”

    “There’s a tension between faithfulness and fruitfulness, and that tension should lead us to humility.”

    “We need to be on our knees, and thinking, planning, and being diligent.”

    “The bigger trap for the giver is the savior mindset, which is ultimately rooted in pride.”

    “If an organization is not willing to learn, that’s a bigger red flag than not having impact.”

    “There are Kingdom principles that can lead to a hundredfold return.”

    “I also believe that God celebrates wild sacrifice that looks like a complete waste.”

    “Success is just being obedient to what God has told you to do.”

    LINKS FROM THE SHOW

    Kingdom Impact

    Christian Impact Framework

    Accord Network

    EIDO Research

    Eagle Venture Fund (see our interview with General Partner Wes Lyons)

    Hope International (see our interview with founder, Jeff Rutt or CEO, Peter Greer)

    BIBLE REFERENCES FROM THE SHOW

    1 Corinthians 3:6 | God Gives the Growth

    I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the growth.

    John 15:5 | Abiding Bears Fruit

    I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing.

    Ephesians 3:10 | Manifold Wisdom Displayed

    So that through the church the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly places.

    Matthew 22:37 | Love God Fully

    And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.”

    Matthew 26:7–13 | The Alabaster Jar

    John 15:8 | Fruit That Glorifies God

    By this my Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit and so prove to be my disciples.

    TAKE A STEP DEEPER

    On the Finish Line podcast, we are all about stories, seeing how God draws us into generosity over a lifetime.
     

    But sometimes these stories can leave us thinking, “What’s that next step look like for me?”

    That’s exactly why we’ve launched a whole new podcast called Applied Generosity which explores the full landscape of the generous life across 7 different dimensions of generosity.

    Applied Generosity helps make sense of the hundreds of stories we’ve shared on the Finish Line Podcast to help you find that best next step.

    If you’ve been inspired by these stories and want to take things to the next level, check out Applied Generosity anywhere you listen to podcasts or at appliedgenerosity.com.
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    Teri Bledsoe, Board Chair of Women Doing Well, on Joyful Giving Through Suffering (Ep. 186)

    2026/04/20 | 1h 3 mins.
    Teri Bledsoe is an entrepreneur, mother, and board chair with Women Doing Well whose life has been shaped by both deep faith and profound hardship. From a young age, she sensed God’s presence and developed a posture of generosity, but it was through marriage, adoption, and seasons of financial uncertainty that her trust in God was refined. A pivotal moment early in her marriage revealed God’s personal care, setting a foundation for a lifelong journey of open-handed giving and dependence on Him.

    As God entrusted Teri and her husband Chris with significant wealth through a business exit, He simultaneously led them through painful seasons, including the loss of their son. Rather than separating joy and suffering, God used both to deepen their intimacy with Him and with each other. Through her involvement with Women Doing Well and other generosity communities, Teri now helps others discover that generosity is not about outcomes, but about responding to God’s invitation and experiencing His joy in every circumstance.

    Listen to explore how God meets you in suffering and invites you into a deeper, joy-filled life of generosity.

    Major Topics Include:

    Generosity as response to God’s invitation

    Faith formed through suffering and surrender

    Defining “enough” to unlock freedom

    Joy and sorrow coexisting in Kingdom life

    Stewardship over ownership of wealth

    Generosity strengthening marital unity

    Community as catalyst for generous living

    Mining for joy through intentional giving

    Trusting God’s character over outcomes

    QUOTES TO REMEMBER

    “Generosity is a response of gratitude to who He is and what He shows us of His character and His love and His grace.”

    “Generosity isn’t an outcome-based exercise in the Kingdom. It’s an intimacy and relational exercise with the King.”

    “God of the universe was talking to me and saying, ‘I see you, and I’m going to move heaven and earth so you don’t miss an opportunity to respond to my goodness.’”

    “You cannot outgive God.”

    “He is not a taker. He’s a giver.”

    “Those tracks of joy and sorrow were just running straight parallel.”

    “The joy of giving and being on mission with the Lord was the only counterbalance to the suffering.”

    “There’s a special grace in suffering where He shows you that He is enough.”

    “I won’t let go until you show me your joy.”

    “When you give, what you specifically gain is the joy of the Lord.”

    “Generosity is the way He unlocks that joy.”

    “The greatest joy of giving has been what God has done between Chris and me.”

    “When I see him get burdened for a Kingdom cause, I fall in love all over again.”

    “Have 100% confidence in God, and He’ll take care of whatever giving mistakes you might make.”

    “He is enough. He is whatever you need.”

    LINKS FROM THE SHOW

    Women Doing Well (see our interview with president Julie Wilson)

    The Gathering (see our interview with CEO Josh Kwan)

    National Christian Foundation (see our interview with President Emeritus, David Wills)

    Generous Giving (see our interviews with cofounders Todd Harper and David Wills and CEO, April Chapman)

    Redeemer City to City

    Pine Cove Christian Summer Camps

    Experiencing God by Henry Blackaby

    Theo of Golden by Allen Levi

    The Power of Generosity by Boyd Bailey

    BIBLE REFERENCES FROM THE SHOW

    Malachi 3:10 | Test Me in This

    “Bring the full tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. And thereby put me to the test, says the Lord of hosts, if I will not open the windows of heaven for you and pour down for you a blessing until there is no more need.”

    Psalm 27:8 | Seek His Face

    “You have said, ‘Seek my face.’ My heart says to you, ‘Your face, Lord, do I seek.’”

    John 10:10 | Life to the Full

    “The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly.”

    Acts 20:35 | More Blessed to Give

    “In all things I have shown you that by working hard in this way we must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’”

    John 15:11 | Joy Made Full

    “These things I have spoken to you, that my joy may be in you, and that your joy may be full.”

    John 3:16 | God So Loved He Gave

    “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.”

    James 1:17 | Every Good Gift

    “Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change.”

    Genesis 32:26 | Wrestling with God

    “Then he said, ‘Let me go, for the day has broken.’ But Jacob said, ‘I will not let you go unless you bless me.’”

    TAKE A STEP DEEPER

    On the Finish Line podcast, we are all about stories, seeing how God draws us into generosity over a lifetime.
     

    But sometimes these stories can leave us thinking, “What’s that next step look like for me?”

    That’s exactly why we’ve launched a whole new podcast called Applied Generosity which explores the full landscape of the generous life across 7 different dimensions of generosity.

    Applied Generosity helps make sense of the hundreds of stories we’ve shared on the Finish Line Podcast to help you find that best next step.

    If you’ve been inspired by these stories and want to take things to the next level, check out Applied Generosity anywhere you listen to podcasts or at appliedgenerosity.com.
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    Joe Daly, Business Owner, on Upside Down Generosity in Life and Business (Ep. 185)

    2026/04/06 | 1h 3 mins.
    Joe Daly, founder of Daly Goods, shares a journey shaped by a deep desire to align work, money, and calling under God’s authority. Growing up in a faithful home yet wrestling through struggles and misplaced identity, Joe describes how God used confession, community, and Scripture to transform his understanding of freedom and purpose. A pivotal season after college, marked by discipleship and spiritual formation, reoriented his life toward wholehearted surrender.

    Today, Joe leads a handcrafted leather goods company with a vision far beyond profit. He and his wife practice what he calls “upside-down generosity”, setting a lifestyle cap, prioritizing giving first, and building a business designed to serve employees, customers, and Kingdom impact. Through risks like radical giving and leaving vocational ministry, Joe has seen God provide in unexpected ways while refining his heart around dependence and stewardship. This conversation offers a grounded, hopeful vision for integrating faith with everyday financial decisions and long-term calling.

    Consider how surrendering control of your work and resources might open new space to trust God more fully.

    Major Topics Include:

    Surrendering work, money, and calling to God

    Identity beyond performance, success, or role

    Practicing generosity through receiving and giving

    Upside-down generosity and lifestyle cap principles

    Faithful risk-taking in business and calling

    Guarding against greed and materialism

    Designing business for Kingdom impact and stewardship

    Dependence on God through first-fruits giving

    Aligning long-term vision with eternal perspective

    QUOTES TO REMEMBER

    “God doesn’t care where you get your paycheck from. He cares where your heart’s at.”

    “Never say never and never say always when you follow Jesus, because you never know what He’s going to do.”

    “The joy of generosity can only happen if someone else is willing to receive.”

    “We felt the Lord call us to give more than we’d ever given before, and it was one of the most joyful experiences of our lives.”

    “It did not make mathematical sense, and it was just mind-blowing how God provided.”

    “The word ‘enough’ is so, so powerful.”

    “Greed and materialism are two of the greatest evils in the world today.”

    “Business success is more dangerous to my soul than business failure.”

    “If dependence is the goal, weakness is an advantage.”

    “You can’t take it with you, but you can send it on ahead.”

    “Heaven is our home. Life is a vapor. That changes how I think about money.”

    “Generosity is more than money, but it’s never less.”

    LINKS FROM THE SHOW

    Daly Goods

    Alan Barnhart, Business Leader (see our past interview here)

    Pete Ochs, founder of Capital III and Enterprise Stewardship (see our past interview here)

    National Christian Foundation (see our interview with President Emeritus, David Wills)

    God Owns my Business by Stanley Tam and Ken Anderson

    Sacred Pace by Terry Looper

    BIBLE REFERENCES FROM THE SHOW

    Matthew 23:27 | Whitewashed Tomb Warning

    “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people’s bones and all uncleanness.”

    Romans 7:15 | Struggle with Sin

    “For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate.”

    2 Corinthians 8:2 | Generosity in Poverty

    “For in a severe test of affliction, their abundance of joy and their extreme poverty have overflowed in a wealth of generosity on their part.”

    Acts 2:44–45 | Shared Possessions

    “And all who believed were together and had all things in common. And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need.”

    Acts 4:32–35 | No One In Need

    Philippians 4:12–13 | Contentment in Little and Much

    I know how to be brought low, and I know how to abound. In any and every circumstance, I have learned the secret of facing plenty and hunger, abundance and need. I can do all things through him who strengthens me.

    1 Corinthians 16:2 | Systematic Giving

    “On the first day of every week, each of you is to put something aside and store it up, as he may prosper…”

    Matthew 6:3–4 | Giving in Secret

    But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

    Matthew 5:16 | Let Your Light Shine

    In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that[a] they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.

    John 3:16 | God’s Gift of Salvation

    “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.”

    1 Peter 2:9 | Kingdom of Priests

    “But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.”

    Luke 12:48 | To Whom Much Is Given

    “Everyone to whom much was given, of him much will be required, and from him to whom they entrusted much, they will demand the more.”

    Matthew 6:19–21 | Treasures in Heaven

    “Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven… For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.”

    Matthew 6:24 | Cannot Serve Two Masters

    “No one can serve two masters… You cannot serve God and money.”

    Matthew 6:11 | Daily Dependence on God

    “Give us this day our daily bread.”

    Proverbs 30:8–9 | Neither Poverty Nor Riches

    “Give me neither poverty nor riches; feed me with the food that is needful for me…”

    Luke 16:10 | Faithful in Little and Much

    “One who is faithful in a very little is also faithful in much…”

    TAKE A STEP DEEPER

    On the Finish Line podcast, we are all about stories, seeing how God draws us into generosity over a lifetime.
     

    But sometimes these stories can leave us thinking, “What’s that next step look like for me?”

    That’s exactly why we’ve launched a whole new podcast called Applied Generosity which explores the full landscape of the generous life across 7 different dimensions of generosity.

    Applied Generosity helps make sense of the hundreds of stories we’ve shared on the Finish Line Podcast to help you find that best next step.

    If you’ve been inspired by these stories and want to take things to the next level, check out Applied Generosity anywhere you listen to podcasts or at appliedgenerosity.com.
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    Pete and Debbie Ochs, Business Owners, on the Shift in Perspective After Setting a Financial Finish Line (Ep. 184)

    2026/03/30 | 53 mins.
    Pete and Debbie Ochs, longtime entrepreneurs and leaders in faith-driven business, share how God reshaped their understanding of money, work, and purpose over decades of walking with Him. Pete began his career pursuing success through hard work and financial gain, while Debbie brought a steady foundation of faith and generosity from her upbringing. Through seasons of business growth, financial pressure, and personal conviction, God led them to see that everything they had was not theirs to own, but to steward. That shift transformed how they built companies, gave generously, and ultimately released control. 

    Pete is the founder of Capital III, an investment and operating company focused on building businesses that create economic, social, and spiritual capital, and the founder of Enterprise Stewardship, which helps leaders build high-impact businesses rooted in purpose and long-term flourishing. From creating jobs inside prisons to establishing a stewardship trust for their business, Pete and Debbie’s work now reflects a commitment to building economic, social, and spiritual impact. Along the way, they learned to set a finish line, cap their lifestyle, and follow the Holy Spirit in both planned and spontaneous generosity, deepening their understanding of risk and surrender.

    Explore how surrendering ownership can reshape your decisions, relationships, and long-term vision for Kingdom impact.

    Major Topics Include:

    Stewardship versus ownership in God’s economy

    Surrender as foundation of faithful stewardship

    Integrating faith and business without compartmentalization

    Creating economic, social, and spiritual capital

    Setting a lifestyle finish line for generosity

    Shifting mindset from accumulation to outward impact

    Listening to the Holy Spirit in everyday generosity

    Practicing intentional and spontaneous giving rhythms

    Involving family in generosity and stewardship decisions

    Using business as a platform for Kingdom impact

    QUOTES TO REMEMBER

    Pete Ochs

    “Stewardship is not waving the white flag. It’s not giving up. It’s coming to the understanding that the Creator of the universe wants to come alongside you and co-create with you to change the world.”

    “My 30s were about success, my 40s were about significance, and my 50s were about surrender.”

    “When we really live as stewards, it’s not 2 million is mine and the rest is God’s. It’s zero-one hundred. It’s all His.”

    “The question is not a net worth number. The question is a lifestyle number. How much should you be paid to manage what God has entrusted to you?”

    “You cannot violate God’s principles and expect Him to bless it. When you live according to His principles, He will take care of you.”

    “Business, I believe, is the most powerful platform to change the world.”

    “We try to create economic capital, love people relationally, and be ready to share the hope we have with gentleness and respect.”

    Debbie Ochs

    “Our mindset changed from what we can get to what we can do for others.”

    “We want the Holy Spirit to lead us. When He prompts, we want to act.”

    “Generosity begets generosity.”

    “We didn’t want to just write checks. We wanted to be involved, to know people, and to walk alongside them.”

    “Communication is key. You have to share what you’re learning and how God is working in your life.”

    “Involve your family in giving. That’s how the next generation begins to see and live it.”

    “We started looking at everything differently when our focus turned outward instead of inward.”

    “When God gives you opportunities, you have to be ready to respond in that moment.”

    LINKS FROM THE SHOW

    Enterprise Stewardship

    Capital III

    YoungLife

    Crown Financial Ministries

    Generous Giving (see our interviews with cofounders Todd Harper and David Wills and CEO, April Chapman)

    National Christian Foundation (see our interview with President Emeritus, David Wills)

    BIBLE REFERENCES FROM THE SHOW

    1 Peter 3:15 | Reason for Your Hope

    “But in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you, yet do it with gentleness and respect.”

    Galatians 2:20 | Crucified with Christ

    “I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.”

    Luke 10:25–37 | The Good Samaritan

    Proverbs 3:5–6 | Trust in the Lord

    “Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths.”

    Matthew 6:3 | Give in Secret

    “But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing.”

    TAKE A STEP DEEPER

    On the Finish Line podcast, we are all about stories, seeing how God draws us into generosity over a lifetime.
     

    But sometimes these stories can leave us thinking, “What’s that next step look like for me?”

    That’s exactly why we’ve launched a whole new podcast called Applied Generosity which explores the full landscape of the generous life across 7 different dimensions of generosity.

    Applied Generosity helps make sense of the hundreds of stories we’ve shared on the Finish Line Podcast to help you find that best next step.

    If you’ve been inspired by these stories and want to take things to the next level, check out Applied Generosity anywhere you listen to podcasts or at appliedgenerosity.com.
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    Becca Spradlin, Founder of On Mission Advisors, on Guarding Against Mission Drift (Ep. 183)

    2026/03/23 | 1h 3 mins.
    Becca Spradlin, founder of On Mission Advisors and author of Lead On Mission, has spent her career helping faith-driven organizations stay anchored in their God-given purpose. After early experiences in global missions and microfinance work with HOPE International, God shaped her conviction that even strong ministries are vulnerable to mission drift, especially during seasons of growth, success, or leadership transition. That realization led her to develop practical tools to help leaders discern, define, and protect their calling over time. 

    In this conversation, Becca shares how organizations can faithfully steward influence by clarifying their mission, building guardrails, and cultivating leaders who are deeply rooted in Christ. She highlights common risks like funding pressures, misaligned hiring, and expanding beyond core focus, while offering a framework to define, protect, and champion mission with intentionality. The discussion also equips both leaders and givers to pursue alignment, accountability, and long-term Kingdom impact with wisdom and humility.

    Consider how your leadership or giving might stay anchored in God’s purpose through seasons of growth and opportunity.

    Major Topics Include:

    Defining and clarifying organizational mission and purpose

    Identifying early warning signs of mission drift

    Funding pressures and compromise risks in stewardship

    Hiring for mission alignment, not passive acceptance

    Programmatic focus versus unhealthy scope expansion

    Building guardrails through define, protect, champion framework

    Leadership humility and abiding as foundation for mission

    Donor alignment and accountability in Kingdom impact

    Succession planning to preserve mission across generations

    Measuring spiritual impact alongside financial outcomes

    QUOTES TO REMEMBER

    “We want to know not if we’re drifting, but where we’re drifting.”

    “Mission drift is pervasive. If we’re not intentional, it will happen.”

    “A prerequisite of a leader that stays on mission is humility.”

    “We are all prone to wander and prone to drift.”

    “The quality of your leadership is shown after you’re gone.”

    “If you bring on passive acceptors, they will not defend the spiritual dimension of the work.”

    “You never want to compromise on people, even if they’re highly credentialed.”

    “If we’re so focused on getting the next dollar that we compromise our faith, that’s inconsistent with God’s calling.”

    “God is the provider. He controls the pace of growth.”

    “It may not be on your wall, but it should be lived out in a palpable way.”

    “Clarity is what helps organizations stay on mission over time.”

    “Everything is God’s. He’s just sharing it with us.”

    LINKS FROM THE SHOW

    On Mission Advisors

    On Mission Self Assessment

    Lead On Mission by Becca Spradlin

    Hope International (see our interview with founder, Jeff Rutt or CEO, Peter Greer)

    Mission Drift (see our interview with author Peter Greer)

    BIBLE REFERENCES FROM THE SHOW

    John 15:5 | Abide in the Vine

    “I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing.”

    Hebrews 2:1 | Pay Closer Attention

    “Therefore we must pay much closer attention to what we have heard, lest we drift away from it.”

    1 Peter 5:8 | The Prowling Lion

    “Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.”

    Matthew 19:21 | The Rich Young Ruler

    “Jesus said to him, ‘If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.’”

    TAKE A STEP DEEPER

    On the Finish Line podcast, we are all about stories, seeing how God draws us into generosity over a lifetime. 

    But sometimes these stories can leave us thinking, “What’s that next step look like for me?”

    That’s exactly why we’ve launched a whole new podcast called Applied Generosity which explores the full landscape of the generous life across 7 different dimensions of generosity. 

    Applied Generosity helps make sense of the hundreds of stories we’ve shared on the Finish Line Podcast to help you find that best next step.

    If you’ve been inspired by these stories and want to take things to the next level, check out Applied Generosity anywhere you listen to podcasts or at appliedgenerosity.com.

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About The Finish Line Podcast

Kealan, a surgeon, and Cody, a financial advisor, discuss the intersection of faith, generosity, and personal finance. They’re joined by a variety of guests, including pastors, financial advisors, radically generous givers, entrepreneurs, CEOs, and nonprofit leaders to explore one central question: How do we best steward God’s wealth? On The Finish Line Podcast, you’ll hear challenging and inspirational stories of tremendous generosity. You’ll also learn from experts in multiple fields about topics like setting a financial finish line, giving efficiently and effectively, and teaching generosity to your children. More than anything, though, you’ll see how God is constantly at work redeeming the world He created and loves.Visit the website at www.finishlinepledge.com to learn more.
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