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- Mike Goldberg had over 10,000 dives and decades running a dive shop in the Florida Keys, enough time to have seen the reefs at their pristine best. Then came a coral bleaching event in 2008, and a few years later, Stony Coral Tissue Loss Disease, a still-unexplained outbreak that's killed coral tissue outright across more than 20 of Florida's roughly 45 stony coral species since 2014. At one point his wife told him directly: the reef isn't what it used to be, and it's not getting better. Get out of the business before there's nothing left to sell. He didn't know what to do about it.
Then, around 2017 into 2018, a young woman walked into his shop just to fill a couple of scuba tanks. She turned out to be Dr. Kylie Smith, a PhD student studying the relationship between parrotfish populations and coral outplants nearby. By the time she left, Mike had asked her a dozen questions. She kept coming back, and he kept asking more, in what he calls his own "period of discovery." It took roughly a year to find direction, and part of that year was Mike convincing Kylie not to take a government job and instead co-found a nonprofit with him, something her own family saw as risky. In this episode, Andrew walks through how that unlikely partnership, her science and his three decades of local hustle, became I.CARE (Islamorada Conservation and Restoration Education): a nonprofit that planted its first coral in January 2021, now runs its own onshore nursery, and partners with Mote Marine Laboratory, Reef Renewal USA, the Florida Aquarium, and the Reef Institute.
This is episode two of a four-part week built around Andrew's interview with Mike Goldberg, co-founder of I.CARE. Monday's episode covered the global state of coral reefs and the case for restoration; this episode is Mike's own story before his full interview airs Friday.
Takeaways:
I.CARE didn't start with a grant or a strategic plan. It started with a dive shop owner's frustration and one chance conversation with a grad student who walked in to fill some tanks.
The disease that pushed Mike to act, Stony Coral Tissue Loss Disease, isn't like bleaching. It's an unresolved, contagious, tissue-killing outbreak that's been spreading through Florida and the wider Caribbean for over a decade with no confirmed cause.
The partnership worked because it paired two kinds of expertise that don't usually sit in the same room: a scientist's research and a small business owner's community connections and hustle.
Mike spent part of a year talking Kylie out of a safer path (a government job) and into co-founding a nonprofit instead, a real risk her own family flagged at the time.
Watching your own livelihood visibly decline, and choosing to act instead of walking away, is its own kind of origin story, separate from the science.
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YouTube: www.speakupforblue.com/youtube - This year, most of the coral on the planet went through heat stress severe enough to bleach it. That's not a rounding error: 84 percent of the world's reef area, across the Pacific, Atlantic, and Indian Oceans, and NOAA had to add three brand-new alert levels to its Coral Reef Watch scale because the existing one had no category for what was happening. In this episode, Andrew breaks down exactly where global coral reefs stand right now: how the fourth global mass bleaching event on record got declared, why NOAA waited until 2026 to confirm it had actually ended, and why every global bleaching event on record has been worse than the one before it.
From there, Andrew tackles the harder question: if the IPCC's own projections show most reefs disappearing even in a best-case warming scenario, is coral restoration just decoration on a dying patient? He walks through the honest case for restoring reefs anyway, then surveys the full toolkit practitioners actually use beyond planting fragments, including larval propagation ("coral IVF"), selective breeding for heat tolerance, cryopreservation and biobanking, coral probiotics, and engineered substrates like biorock and 3D-printed reef tiles. He digs into the peer-reviewed evidence for whether any of it works (short answer: yes, locally, and not yet at global scale), and closes with a fast history of how restoration itself evolved, from 1970s hand-transplanting to a 2012 lab accident that unlocked 25-to-40-times faster coral growth.
This is episode one of a four-part week built around Andrew's interview with Mike Goldberg, co-founder of ICARE, a coral restoration group in the Florida Keys. The rest of the week digs into specific pieces of Mike's own story before his full interview airs Friday.
Takeaways:
Coral reefs just came through the most severe global bleaching event ever recorded: 84 percent of the world's reef area affected between 2023 and 2025, and NOAA only confirms an event over after months of monitoring show it's genuinely done, not just cooling off temporarily.
Even the IPCC's best-case warming scenario still projects most reefs lost, which is the strongest argument for restoring reefs now, not a reason to skip it.
Fragment-based coral gardening is just one tool. The field also includes selective breeding for heat tolerance, cryopreservation and biobanking, probiotics, engineered substrates like biorock and 3D-printed tiles, and protecting the herbivorous fish and water quality reefs depend on.
It's genuinely working at the local scale: peer-reviewed studies show restored reefs regaining their coastal-protection function within four years and fish populations rebounding two to three times over fifteen years.
It is not, on current evidence, a global-scale fix on its own. Restoration investment so far covers a tiny fraction of what's been lost, which is exactly why a "one coral cluster at a time" mindset matters.
The practice itself has moved fast: hand-transplanting coral in the 1970s, a lab accident in 2012 that unlocked dramatically faster growth, and today's diversified, partnership-driven restoration models.
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YouTube: www.speakupforblue.com/youtube - Holly Koehler has spent almost thirty years in rooms most people never think about: windowless UN offices in New York, the FAO in Rome, and what she calls "oftentimes very boring hotel ballrooms around the world," where countries hash out how the ocean actually gets managed. She's the Vice President of Policy and Outreach at the International Seafood Sustainability Foundation (ISSF), and before that she spent thirteen years at the U.S. State Department's Office of Marine Conservation, chairing international fisheries negotiations. In this episode, she walks Andrew through how a grad-school internship on sea turtles turned into a career built entirely around one question: how do you manage a species that ignores every border humans have drawn?
Andrew and Holly cover what a Regional Fisheries Management Organization (RFMO) actually is and why nearly the entire ocean is already covered by one, why she says listening, not legal expertise, is the most important skill she's ever used at the negotiating table, and the story behind an all-night Thanksgiving session that produced a landmark UN resolution protecting deep-sea corals and seamounts from bottom trawling. Holly also explains why ISSF treats governance as being just as important as fishing practices, drawing a direct line from her anthropology background to her belief that governance is what civilization itself is built on, and breaks down exactly how ISSF's audits and public compliance data connect to the eco-labels shoppers see on a can of tuna.
This is the episode the whole week has been building toward. If you've been following along with Monday through Thursday's solo episodes, you've already heard the RFMO explainer, the bottom-trawling story, and the High Seas Treaty history. Here, Holly connects all of it, in her own words, including a memorable detail that resolves a question left open earlier in the week: which UN resolution she was actually in the room for.
Takeaways:
International fisheries governance runs through treaty-based RFMOs that nearly every country with a stake in a fishery has legally bound itself to join and follow.
The negotiating skill Holly says matters most isn't legal expertise, it's listening for what a country means behind what it says, since "where you stand depends on where you sit."
The all-night Thanksgiving session that produced UN Resolution 61/105, the landmark bottom-trawling and seamount protections covered in this show's Tuesday companion episode, was chaired by Holly herself.
Holly measures negotiating success by getting an agreement strong enough to matter while keeping every country that needs to ratify or implement it "inside the tent."
ISSF doesn't certify fisheries itself. It builds the audited evidence trail, through annual company audits and public vessel compliance data, that feeds into the Marine Stewardship Council certification a shopper actually sees on a label.
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YouTube: www.speakupforblue.com/youtube - Between a fishing vessel out on the water and a can of tuna in your grocery cart, there is a complex, little-understood system working to verify whether you should trust what is on the label. In this episode of the How to Protect the Ocean Podcast, host Andrew Lewin breaks down how that system actually works, and why the blue check mark on your seafood means something real.
Andrew starts with the RFMO, a regional fisheries management organization: a treaty-based body where countries with a stake in a fishery legally bind themselves to cooperate on how it is managed. He walks through where these bodies actually meet, and how governance decisions travel from those negotiating rooms toward your dinner table. That includes the International Seafood Sustainability Foundation (ISSF), whose work spans science-based fisheries management, advancing improved fishing practices, transparency and verification tools like annual company audits and public vessel tracking, and policy engagement with RFMOs, and the Marine Stewardship Council (MSC), whose certification functions as an eco-label with real financial weight behind it, including why MSC pulled its certification of the Maine lobster fishery twice, in August 2020 and again in December 2022.
The throughline is that ISSF and MSC are complementary but distinct approaches to the same goal, not two steps in a single pipeline. ISSF works across science, fishing practice, transparency, and RFMO policy; independent conformity assessment bodies, not ISSF, assess fisheries against the MSC standard. This episode sets up tomorrow's interview with an ISSF representative who has spent decades inside these negotiations and will walk through what that cooperation actually looks like in the room.
Takeaways:
A regional fisheries management organization (RFMO) is a treaty-based body that turns "we should manage this fishery responsibly" into an enforceable, multi-country agreement.
Eco-labels like MSC certification carry real financial weight. Losing one can force a fishery to change its practices, even when the science on the underlying risk is still ambiguous.
ISSF's work spans science-based fisheries management, improved fishing practices, transparency and verification, and RFMO policy engagement, not just company audits and vessel tracking.
ISSF and MSC are complementary but distinct: independent conformity assessment bodies, not ISSF, assess fisheries against the MSC certification standard.
Per ISSF's 2025 audit-period report, participating companies achieved 98.8% aggregate conformance across 32 conservation measures (their tenth consecutive year above 90%), and PVR-registered vessels showed 75.6% aggregate compliance on vessel-specific conservation measures. These are two separate transparency metrics covering different populations, not a before-and-after comparison.
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YouTube: www.speakupforblue.com/youtube - There's a video online of a room full of exhausted diplomats breaking into applause after nearly 20 years of work. One woman brings down the gavel and says, "the ship has reached the shore." That moment, in March 2023, closed out a negotiation that had already failed once in public. It became binding international law this year, and the fight over what it actually protects is happening right now.
In this episode, Andrew traces the full history of the High Seas Treaty, formally the BBNJ Agreement (Biodiversity Beyond National Jurisdiction): from the idea first raised at a UN Oceans working session in 2004, through nine years of debating whether a treaty was even needed, to the failed 2022 negotiating session, to the breakthrough text agreed in March 2023. He breaks down the treaty's four pillars, benefit-sharing from marine genetic resources, marine protected areas in international waters, environmental impact assessments for new high seas activity, and capacity building for coastal nations that can't afford their own deep-sea research fleets, and explains why each one was a genuine sticking point between countries.
The treaty entered into force on January 17, 2026, making it binding law rather than a symbolic milestone. Roughly two thirds of the ocean lies beyond any single country's jurisdiction, and before this treaty, less than one percent of that area had any form of protection. Ratifications are still climbing, the first Conference of the Parties is expected in January 2027, and a long list of unresolved questions, from secretariat hosting to how marine protected areas actually get designated, will get fought out there. It's not a perfect treaty. It's a beginning.
Takeaways:
The High Seas Treaty (BBNJ) took roughly 20 years to negotiate, including a public failure at the fifth negotiating session in August 2022.
Agreement on the treaty text was reached March 4, 2023, after a marathon final session; it was formally adopted June 19, 2023.
The treaty rests on four pillars: marine genetic resource benefit-sharing, marine protected areas in international waters, environmental impact assessments, and capacity building/technology transfer.
It needed 60 ratifications to take effect. Morocco became the 60th ratifying country on September 19, 2025.
The treaty entered into force January 17, 2026, and now covers roughly two thirds of the ocean that previously had almost no protection.
The first Conference of the Parties (COP1) is expected in January 2027, where major unresolved issues get decided.
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