Enterprise Security Weekly (Audio)

Segment 1 - Interview with O'Shea Bowens
What do we really know about "AI Network Protocols"? Network security is about to get popular all over again.
Generative AI caused a disruptive explosion across all of tech and every company's roadmap. The move from chatbots to AI agents doubled down on that disruption. Now agents need to talk to each other?
Boom: we have MCP. A2A. Universal Commerce Protocol. General purpose and specialized protocols for agent communication. What does this look like from the network perspective, though? O'Shea Bowen joins us to answer this question, and he thinks the results are interesting enough to spark a resurgence of interest in network security tooling.
Segment Resources:
https://www.nsa.gov/Portals/75/documents/Cybersecurity/CSIMCPSECURITY.pdf?ver=bmgiSbNQLP6Z_GiWtRt6bg%3D%3D
https://labs.cloudsecurityalliance.org/research/csa-research-note-mcp-security-crisis-20260504-csa-styled/
https://cyberone.security/blog/building-an-ai-security-strategy-without-stalling-business-growth
Segment 2 - Interview with Jeremiah Grossman
Jeremiah Grossman on why we've been measuring cyber risk wrong for 20 years
After decades helping shape modern web security, and building companies that were ultimately acquired by Synopsys and Tenable, Jeremiah Grossman believes cybersecurity has arrived at an inflection point. His argument is a provocative one: for years, the industry has optimized around the wrong metrics. His latest venture, Root Evidence, aims to help security teams identify which risks are most likely to cause meaningful business loss, and he has the evidence - real-world breach data, cyber insurance claims, digital forensics intelligence, attack surface intelligence, and observed attacker behavior - to back it up.
Find all of CyberRisk TV's Black Hat 2026 coverage at: https://www.securityweekly.com/blackhat
Segment 3 - Weekly Enterprise News
Finally, in the enterprise security news,
We vibe check the AI model situation
hidden devices in California cars causes concerns
OpenAI's models escape sandboxes and breaches another AI company, totally by accident, they promise!
Grok Build uploads all your files, totally by accident, they promise!
Eclipsium debuts a firmware version of patch tuesday!
HTTP gets a new method
common problems with incident response
Which one of the security weekly hosts would consider switching to a "dumb phone"?
All that and more, on this episode of Enterprise Security Weekly.
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Show Notes: https://securityweekly.com/esw-469

Interview with Keith Hollender, CEO and Co-Founder of Arcova
Why AI Security Is Becoming an Execution Problem, Not Just a Governance Problem
As enterprises move from AI experimentation to adoption at scale, security leaders are under pressure to enable innovation without introducing unmanaged risk. The challenge is no longer whether organizations should pursue AI, but how they can govern it, secure it, and operationalize it in ways that stand up to real-world business and threat conditions.
In this conversation, Keith Hollender discusses what Arcova is seeing across enterprise environments as organizations work to connect cybersecurity, AI governance, resilience, and broader transformation priorities. He explores where companies are getting stuck, why traditional siloed approaches are falling short, and what it takes to move from strategy decks to secure execution.
Keith also shares how Arcova's practitioner-led, relationship-driven model helps organizations turn complexity into clarity by embedding with client teams, solving urgent problems hands-on, and building capabilities designed to last. The conversation also covers Arcova's continued growth, including expansion into the Middle East, and what global demand signals reveal about the next phase of cybersecurity and AI consulting.
Segment Resources:
https://arcova.com/sectors/
https://arcova.com/category/blog/
For more information about Arcova and how they can help your enterprise shape what's next, please visit:
https://securityweekly.com/arcova
Topic: CMMC Pause creating chaos among federal contractors
This one sent some shockwaves through the CMMC community, particularly the hundreds or thousands of folks gearing up to assist with the validation that phase 2 aimed to provide. The TL;DR - defense contractors have been required to comply with CMMC controls for years, but self-attestation means that many probably haven't been meeting the requirements. Perhaps, rather than have tons of defense contractors fail the test, they just suspended the requirement for the test itself.
I think Howard Holton nails it here when he says:
"100,000 defense contractors needed third-party assessments. Roughly 100 authorized assessors exist. That's 1,000 assessments each, with the deadline in November."
PCI already created a model that works for a scenario like this. If you're small, you self-assess. If you're big enough, an independent auditor comes to check you out once a year. I'm sure they were probably aware of this and chose not to go down that path for some reasons. I'm not aware of those reasons.
What this means:
Phase II is paused
Phase I self-assessments still in place (note, however, that phase II existed, because self-attestation didn't work)
NIST SP 800-171 Rev 2 and DFARS 252.204-7012 compliance still required
60-day review aims to reform CMMC
DoW opened an RFI for industry perspectives on what they should do
CMMC characterized as a "compliance burden" and "red tape"
False Claims Act and DOJ's cyber-fraud enforcement are still on the table
More resources:
CIO Davies' post on Twitter
Administrator of the Small Business Administration, Kelly Loeffler's post
A useful LinkedIn post that breaks down a lot of what this really means (and doesn't)
Weekly Enterprise News
Finally, in the enterprise security news,
will AI eliminate more cybersecurity jobs than it creates?
Linus's law, amended
the biggest patch Tuesday ever
AI context bombs
AI workflows are a security disaster
people using AI in areas they don't understand
ransomware crews are hitting legal firms hard
lessons learned from CISA's recent github leak
demystify your USB cables!
All that and more, on this episode of Enterprise Security Weekly.
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Show Notes: https://securityweekly.com/esw-468

Interview with François Proulx from Boost Security
Software Supply Chain Security: Build Pipeline (CI/CD) Exploitation
Boost Security is the creator of some very popular build pipeline security tools, like Bagel and Poutine. Today, we discuss their latest tool, Smoked Meat. They describe it as "Like Metasploit, but for CI/CD pipelines".
Segment Resources:
Smoked Meat announcement
Smoked Meat github
Smoked Meat demo with Guillaume and François
Identiverse Interview with Dr. John Prichard from Radiant Logic
The Three Identity Problem: Surviving Identity Security's Chaotic Era
Identity security has entered its chaotic era. Human, non-human, and agentic AI identities no longer just coexist. They form an uncontrolled inheritance chain in which a human creates an agent, the agent spins up service principals, OAuth grants, and role assignments, and that whole chain keeps running long after the human changes roles or leaves. Most of these chains are being spawned by business users on low-code and enterprise AI platforms, outside traditional identity controls and largely invisible to security.
In this segment, Radiant Logic CEO Dr. John Pritchard joins us to unpack why this is no longer a visibility problem. It is an observability problem. And it is shifting the center of gravity in identity security from authentication to authorization. Listeners will leave with a clearer view of where their current IAM, IGA, and NHI programs fall short, and a practical lens for governing the rapidly expanding population of AI agents already inside their environments.
To go deeper on what John discussed today, watch Radiant Logic's on-demand webinar Identities Under Attack: How Adversaries Exploit the Human-Machine-Agent Divide at https://securityweekly.com/radiantlogicidv.
Identiverse Interview with Cassie Christensen from Saviynt
Everyone Wants an AI Assistant. Few Are Ready to Govern One
Explore a growing reality many professionals can relate to: the appeal of using AI agents to handle the work that keeps piling up - from inbox management to research and logistics - and the governance challenges that quickly follow. The real barrier to scaling personal or enterprise AI agents isn't the technology itself, but defining clear roles, access boundaries, oversight, and lifecycle management. As organizations deploy more autonomous AI agents, the same identity frameworks used to govern workforce and non-employee identities must now evolve to manage AI-driven access before scale and risk outpace control.
This segment is sponsored by Saviynt. Learn more or get a free demo at https://securityweekly.com/saviyntidv
Identiverse Interview with Jaime Lewis-Gross from Saviynt
From Sales Engineer to Forward Deployed Engineer: The Rise of Hybrid Technical Roles
As technology organizations evolve, technical roles are becoming increasingly fluid - particularly at the intersection of product, engineering, and customer success. This conversation explores what it means to be a modern sales engineer and how the role is increasingly expanding into responsibilities often associated with forward deployed engineers: translating complex technical capabilities into real-world outcomes, solving customer challenges in real time, and serving as a critical bridge between product teams and end users. At the center of this evolution is a customer-first mindset - one that prioritizes listening, adaptability, and long-term partnership. As organizations race to innovate, the companies that stand out will be those that remain deeply focused on customer needs while empowering technical teams to operate beyond traditional role boundaries.
This segment is sponsored by Saviynt. Learn more or get a free demo at https://securityweekly.com/saviyntidv
Identiverse Interview with Kim Brown from LexisNexis
Stop Identity Fraud: Modern Strategies for Insurance and Healthcare
Identity fraud is growing more sophisticated across both insurance and healthcare, making identity management a critical line of defense. In this executive interview, Kim Brown, VP of Product Management, will explore how organizations can strengthen identity verification, authentication, and risk assessment to reduce fraud while improving user experiences. The discussion will highlight emerging threats, evolving regulatory expectations, and practical strategies for deploying identity solutions at scale. Attendees will gain actionable insights to protect customers, patients, and their organizations without adding friction.
This segment is sponsored by LexisNexis Risk Solutions. Visit https://securityweekly.com/lexisnexisidv to learn more about them!
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Interview with Sandy Bird, co-founder of Sonrai Security
In this week's interview, we kick off the conversation with how Sonrai's expertise in securing cloud identity permissions had the company well placed to address the explosion of AI agents and the clear risks they represented. On the surface, this looks like a cloud/hyperscaler permissions challenge, but it isn't that simple. As agents like Claude Code, Codex, and Hermes are connected to enterprise cloud agents, the risk spreads outside VPCs and onto endpoints.
Check out the episode to learn more about some of the most common risks Sandy finds and how Sonrai goes about addressing them.
This segment is sponsored by Sonrai Security. Visit https://securityweekly.com/sonrai to learn more about them!
Segment Resources
AWS Bedrock agent permissions: what you need to lock down before you go live
Making Enterprise AI Agents Accountable with Amir Ofek, CEO and Co-Founder of aizome
Organizations looking to unlock the power of Enterprise AI Agents, and in a controlled and safe way at the speed of AI. Identity is at the heart of it. However, NHI Governance Is Not Enough for Enterprise AI Agents.
The identity industry has responded to the rise of AI agents the same way it responds to every new identity challenge: extend existing frameworks. Map agents to human owners. Enforce least privilege. Govern them like non-human identities.
It is a reasonable instinct. It is also insufficient in ways that matter enormously. Non-human identity security was built for a deterministic world - service accounts, API keys, bots. These identities do what they are configured to do. Their behavior is predictable enough that static governance models work. Enterprise AI agents are categorically different. Not in degree - in kind. They don't execute fixed instructions. They reason, plan, and adapt in response to context. Their scope shifts with every task. Their behavior at runtime can diverge significantly from anything true at provisioning time. Unlike any identity that came before them, they frequently change their intent, at a pace no governance model built for human movers or machine credentials was designed to handle.
Wrapping them in the same framework you use for a service account isn't wrong. It's just insufficient in precisely the places where risk accumulates.
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The Human Authorized. The Agent Acted. Who's Accountable? Interview with Howard Ting - CEO - Opal Security
A self-driving car still has a license plate The accountability didn't change just because the driver did. The same has to be true for AI agents, but most environments can't trace an agent action back through the layers of delegation to the human who authorized it. Howard Ting, CEO of Opal Security, joins Security Weekly to discuss what the accountability model looks like when employees run swarms of agents, and what has to be in place before that accountability chain is tested.
https://www.opal.dev/resource-center/identity-governance-report-2026-ai-access
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Next Evolution of Identity Security: AI for Lower Cost, Efficiency & Governance with Ajay Gupta - President & CEO - SDG
Organizations have invested heavily in identity platforms, but many still struggle to maximize security, efficiency, and governance outcomes. As AI transforms both cyber defense and cyber threats, Identity Security is emerging as a critical foundation for securing human and non-human identities alike. In this discussion, we explore how AI is helping organizations reduce costs, improve operations, defend against AI-powered attacks, and address the governance challenges created by AI agents—highlighting the convergence of Identity Security, AI Security, and AI Governance.
This segment is sponsored by SDG. Visit https://securityweekly.com/sdgidv to learn more about them!
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Interview with Adriel Desautels - the pentest is broken
Adriel joins us for a discussion on the state of penetration testing, why it hasn't done much to help security teams over the last 20 years, and why AI won't save it.
Segment Resources:
https://hbr.org/2026/04/boards-are-falling-short-on-cybersecurity
https://www.scworld.com/perspective/how-to-build-a-breach-ready-security-posture-without-the-enterprise-price-tag
https://netragard.com/blog/what-is-penetration-testing/
Topic: Why Meta is destroying its engineering organization
The titular essay: https://newsletter.pragmaticengineer.com/p/why-is-meta-destroying-its-engineering
A very interesting analysis of what's going on inside big tech companies as they try to dogfood their own AI hype and tokenmaxx themselves into oblivion. There have been a LOT of stories on this, but this is the most comprehensive and enlightening. A few more are linked below.
This is relevant to security, because heavier AI use appears to be linked to a much higher occurrence of availability and security issues.
'Tell Him He's a Piece of Shit': Meta's New AI Unit Is a Total Mess
The Newest Instagram "Exploit" is the Goofiest I've Seen
Meta CTO Andrew Bosworth Admits the Company's AI Reorg Was 'Atrocious'
Meta's months-old AI unit is a soul-crushing gulag, say the engineers stuck inside it
The Weekly Enterprise News
Finally, in the enterprise security news,
an AI vibe check
An AI SOC vendor shuts down
Cybersecurity vendor layoffs
funding & acquisitions
cascading breaches
digital estate management
criminals don't trust AI either
some devs won't code without AI, even if you pay them to
Midjourney is now a healthcare company?
All that and more, on this episode of Enterprise Security Weekly.
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Show Notes: https://securityweekly.com/esw-465