Backpacker Radio

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, brought to you by Topo Athletic, we are joined yet again by our pal Andrew Skurka and wayyyyy back former guest and now co-director of Skurka Adventures, Katie Gerber aka "Salty". Today's episode covers a lot of ground. 
Today's conversation is part backpacking advice, part gear nerd chat, part a glimpse inside the operation at Skurka Adventures. 
We first dive into Katie's list of the five biggest mistakes she made as a beginner backpacker and her take on why she loves her alcohol stove- after a decade of use.
Andrew gives us an overview of vapor barrier layers and moisture management for cold-weather backpacking, the Ursack versus bear canister debate, he gives a framework for deciding exactly when it's time to hit the SOS button on your satellite communicator, the ethics of publicizing GPS tracks in these high consequence and fragile regions, and he shares his two cents on one of the most detailed bear-safety questions we've ever received.
The duo also give us some standout stories from their years of working together, including a nightmarish and somehow hilarious story of surviving a Mojave Desert traffic jam in triple-digit heat.
We wrap the show with a call for Trail Correspondents, if setting up your tent in the airport makes you a genius or an A-hole, the triple crown of winter drinks, and some fun Ibex facts from a listener.
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Interview with Andrew Skurka & Katie Gerber
Skurka's Website
Skurka's Instagram
Katie's Website
Katie's Instagram
Time stamps & Questions
00:05:05 - Reminders: Apply to vlog or blog for the Trek, apply to be a Trail Correspondent, listen to our episodes ad-free on Patreon, and subscribe to The Trek's Youtube!
00:10:00 - Introducing Andrew and Katie
00:13:10 - Are you still passionate about nutrition?
00:19:40 - Tell us about your recent Grand Canyon trip with Eric
00:22:45 - How did you get started on off trail routes?
00:24:10 - How did you two start working together?
00:30:50 - Describe your current role
00:33:25 - What are some things people don't know about Skurka?
00:36:40 - Discussion about beginner backpacking mistakes
00:53:20 - What are some new things you've been thinking about?
00:56:50 - What trip is in the highest demand, and what's the most underrated?
00:58:50 - How do you balance protecting sensitive environments with leading trips for your business?
01:08:35 - How do you pick who guides each route?
01:10:35 - Do you have any new guides you're really excited about?
01:12:40 - What are some tips for someone who wants to get into guiding?
01:20:45 - Grand Canyon or Escalante?
01:23:00 - Tell us your thoughts on vapor barrier layers
01:27:55 - Discussion about the backcountry bidet
01:30:30 - How many cats until you're a crazy cat dude?
01:33:14 - How do you like using an alcohol stove and how did you like the Great Basin Trail?
01:35:23 - What are the biggest differences between hiking with Dirtmonger and Andrew?
01:40:15 - Have you used AI in your business?
01:44:14 - How should a campsite be set up?
01:50:00 - What are the pros and cons of hard sided bear canisters and Ursacks?
01:52:20 - Is there a new piece of gear you're excited about?
01:56:00 - Discussion about phone technology in the backcountry
02:01:18 - What are your thoughts on plastic water bottles?
02:03:40 - How far do you need to pee from your campsite?
02:04:45 - How do you decide to press the SOS button?
02:08:20 - What are your thoughts on polartech?
02:09:50 - Are broth cubes a thing?
02:13:54 - What should people know about the upcoming guiding season?
02:20:20 - Peak Performance Question: What is your top performance-enhancing or backpacking hack?
Segments
Trek Propaganda: 
Colorado Trail vs. John Muir Trail vs. Long Trail: Which Trail is the Best? By Katie Jackson
25 More Stunning Thru-Hiking–Inspired Tattoos by Anna McKinney Smith
QOTD:  Is it cringe or genius to set up your tent in the airport?
Triple Crown of winter drinks
Mail Bag
5 Star Review
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Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years.
A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex and Misty with NavigatorsCrafting, Alex Kindle, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Bill Jensen, Brad & Blair Thirteen Adventures, Bret Mullins aka Cruizy, Bryan Alsop, Carl Lobstah Houde, Christopher Marshburn, Clint Sitler, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Ethan Harwell, Gillian Daniels, Greg Knight, Greg Martin, Griffin Haywood, Hailey Buckingham, Jason Kiser, Krystyn Bell, Luke Netjes, Matt from Gilbert, AZ, Patrick Cianciolo, Randy Sutherland, Rebecca Brave, Rural Juror, Sawyer Products, SPAM, The Saint Louis Shaman, Timothy Hahn, Tracy 'Trigger' Fawns
A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Bells, Benjy Lowry, Bonnie Ackerman, Brett Vandiver, Chris Pyle, David Neal, Dcnerdlet, Denise Krekeler, Jack Greene, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Merle Watkins, Peter, Quenten Jones, Ruth S, Salt Stain, Sloan Alberhasky, and Tyler Powers.

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio, presented by The Trek, brought to you by LMNT, we are joined by Eric Volk, who we attempt to trail name "5-16."
In just six years, Eric went from novice hiker to expert off-trail adventurer, completing his own custom routes across the Sierra, Grand Canyon, North Cascades, and Alaska, including his Brooks Range Traverse and Arctic thru-hike. He is believed to be the first or second person to hike from the Canadian border to the Arctic Ocean entirely on foot. 
Today, we're getting an in-depth tutorial on all things off-trail and route-based hiking. Eric gives a detailed overview of how to get started with off-trail adventuring, the biggest differences between hiking on trail and off, recommended "beginner" routes, key gear considerations, the navigational skills required (including the specific tools he uses and recommends), the wide variety of terrain you might encounter, weather considerations, the importance of doing your due diligence, and much more. 
Eric also shares some fun stories from his routes, including trekking through the mathematically most remote place in the U.S., incredible wildlife encounters with caribou, grizzlies, musk ox, and mountain lions, and the ethics of publicizing GPX tracks.
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Interview with Eric Volk
Eric's Instagram
Time stamps & Questions
00:07:20 - Reminders: Apply to vlog or blog for the Trek, apply to be a Trail Correspondent, listen to our episodes ad-free on Patreon, and subscribe to The Trek's Youtube!
00:11:00 - Introducing Eric
00:11:50 - How did you initially get into outdoor adventuring?
00:15:07 - Was it easier to start the Lost Coast trail because someone encouraged you?
00:16:52 - Do you like to level up difficulty in other aspects of life?
00:19:42 - What's your route resume?
00:21:40 - Do off-trail routes spoil you for thru-hiking?
00:22:45 - Where should someone start if they want to start doing off-trail routes?
00:25:15 - What does the class system generally mean?
00:32:10 - What are some navigation skill requirements?
00:45:55 - What are some of the navigation apps you've tried?
00:52:00 - What are some tips for someone starting with CalTopo?
00:56:20 - How should someone transition from a GPX track to the real world?
01:02:00 - Discussion about additional navigation tips
01:04:10 - How would someone construct beta for their route?
01:15:45 - What are the gear differences to consider for going off-trail?
01:25:30 - Discussion about the benefits of ultralight and compactness in gear
01:28:25 - Has your first aid kit changed at all?
01:31:20 - What's the minimum amount of bushwacking that would necessitate pants?
01:37:40 - What's your sun protection strategy?
01:40:12 - How do you handle weather?
01:45:45 - How structured are your days when routefinding?
01:48:50 - How do you confidently know where to find water?
01:53:45 - What other tips do you have for learning about your surroundings?
01:56:00 - What are some of your standout wildlife encounters?
02:08:35 - Tell us about your Black Belt Triple Crown
02:17:00 - Discussion about Eric's Alaska route
02:22:30 - Is there a rating scale for remoteness?
02:24:15 - What are the three most challenging elements of this route?
02:29:00 - How much of this route was Type 1, Type 2, and Type 3 fun?
02:30:10 - Tell us about the Super Sierra High Route
02:38:20 - Tell us about following the North Rim of the Grand Canyon
02:40:50 - What are the three most challenging elements of this route?
02:46:35 - Discussion about the ethics of hiking around the Grand Canyon
03:01:00 - Discussion about sharing information about routes publicly
03:03:30 - Stay Salty Question: What's your hottest take in the world of backpacking?
03:05:35 - What's next for you?
Segments
Trek Propaganda: Fewer People Thru-Hiked the AT in 2025. Is the Trail's Popularity on the Decline? By Katie Jackson
Thing of the Week
Triple Crown of soups/chilis
Mail Bag
5 Star Review
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Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years.
A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex and Misty with NavigatorsCrafting, Alex Kindle, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Bill Jensen, Brad & Blair Thirteen Adventures, Bret Mullins aka Cruizy, Bryan Alsop, Carl Lobstah Houde, Christopher Marshburn, Clint Sitler, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Ethan Harwell, Gillian Daniels, Greg Knight, Greg Martin, Griffin Haywood, Hailey Buckingham, Jason Kiser, Krystyn Bell, Matt from Gilbert, AZ, Patrick Cianciolo, Randy Sutherland, Rebecca Brave, Rural Juror, Sawyer Products, SPAM, The Saint Louis Shaman, Timothy Hahn, Tracy 'Trigger' Fawns
A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Bells, Benjy Lowry, Bonnie Ackerman, Brett Vandiver, Chris Pyle, David, David Neal, Dcnerdlet, Denise Krekeler, Jack Greene, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Luke Netjes, Merle Watkins, Peter, Quenten Jones, Ruth S, Salt Stain, and Spencer Hinson.

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek brought to you by Topo Athletic, we are talking "shorter" thru-hikes. We're joined again by our guy, Michael Grizzly Ivey, to give you an overview of eight standout US thru-hikes that you can hike in four weeks or less. We cover the Long Trail, Teton Crest Trail, Superior HIking Trail, Timberline Trail, Tahoe Rim Trail, Foothills Trail, and Uinta Highline, give you the trail overviews, relative difficulty, resupply strategy, the best time to hike, which direction, travel logistics, permit requirements, resupply strategy, standout wildlife, water availability, and our overall 30-second elevator pitch for each trail. Much like my waistline, your bucket list is about to expand.
We wrap the show with tips for getting primo service at any restaurant (from a restaurant general manager), the triple crown of birds, and we prove that we will read just about anything in a 5-star review.
Topo Athletic: Use code "TREKWINTER15" at topoathletic.com.
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Panel with Michael "Grizzly" Ivey
Grizzly's Instagram
Backpacker Radio # 29: Valentine's Day 2.0 with Grizzly + Jenna, Tent Orgies, and How to Hike 30 Miles in a Day
Backpacker Radio #191 | Hiking the Pacific Crest Trail 2.0: High Snow Year Considerations, Gear Changes by Section, and More
Time stamps & Questions
00:07:30 - Reminders: Apply to be a Trail Correspondent, apply to vlog or blog for the Trek, subscribe to The Trek's Youtube, , and listen to our episodes ad-free on Patreon!
00:13:00 - Introducing Grizzly
00:15:50 - What have you been up to since you were last on the podcast?
00:18:20 - Long Trail
00:29:00 - Ozark Highlands Trail (Learn more from BPR #199 and BPR #197)
00:41:15 - Superior Hiking Trail
00:56:20 - Tahoe Rim Trail (Learn more from BPR #157)
01:11:40 - Foothills Trail (Learn more from BPR #243)
01:24:20 - Uinta Highline Trail
01:36:20 - Timberline Trail
01:44:12 - Teton Crest Trail (Learn more from BPR #265)
02:04:20 - What's your top performance enhancing hack?
Segments
Trek Propaganda: 10 Short Trails You Can Thru-Hike in Winter by Jordan Charbonneau 
QOTD:  What are some tips to getting the best treatment possible when eating out?
Triple Crown of birds
Mail Bag
5 Star Review
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Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years.
A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex and Misty with NavigatorsCrafting, Alex Kindle, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Bill Jensen, Brad & Blair Thirteen Adventures, Bret Mullins aka Cruizy, Bryan Alsop, Carl Lobstah Houde, Christopher Marshburn, Clint Sitler, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Ethan Harwell, Gillian Daniels, Greg Knight, Greg Martin, Griffin Haywood, Hailey Buckingham, Jason Kiser, Krystn Bell, Matt from Gilbert, AZ, Patrick Cianciolo, Randy Sutherland, Rebecca Brave, Rural Juror, Sawyer Products, SPAM, The Saint Louis Shaman, Timothy Hahn, Tracy 'Trigger' Fawns
A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Bells, Benjy Lowry, Bonnie Ackerman, Brett Vandiver, Chris Pyle, David, David Neal, Dcnerdlet, Denise Krekeler, Jack Greene, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Luke Netjes, Merle Watkins, Peter, Quenten Jones, Ruth S, Salt Stain, and Spencer Hinson.

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Alan Dixon, better known in the backpacking world as Adventure Alan. Alan is a literal rocket scientist, a lifelong adventure junkie, and a foundational figure in the early days of ultralight backpacking, having co-founded Backpacking Light. 
Alan shares some jaw dropping stories from his many routes, including a near-death experience in the Tetons, his philosophy for developing routes—most notably his popular Wind River High Route, the South Sierra High Route, and the Escalante Overland Route. We dig into how he's managed to bring his base weight down to as low as 2.4 lb., the small luxuries he now allows himself, some of his favorite cottage brands, and his overarching gear philosophies. We also talk about why he follows a ketogenic diet and how he maintains it on trail, his adventures with his wife of more than 20 years, and much more.
We wrap the show with the triple crown of gifts for backpackers ($75 or less), a hill that we're willing to die on that everyone else thinks is ridiculous, some new AT stamps that have been out for a long time, and I talk fast. 
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Interview with Alan Dixon
Adventure Alan Website
Time stamps & Questions
00:02:00 - Reminders: Apply to vlog or blog for the Trek, apply to be a Trail Correspondent, subscribe to The Trek's Youtube, and listen to our episodes ad-free on Patreon!
00:06:49 - Introducing Alan
00:07:30 - So you're a rocket scientist?
00:10:55 - What did you do for the EPA?
00:17:13 - What are the top sources for toxicity in food?
00:23:00 - Are there any chemicals in the backpacking world you're skeptical of?
00:25:06 - What was your earliest mountaineering experience?
00:26:40 - Discussion about the current state of ultralight
00:29:45 - What ultralight products do you get?
00:31:40 - How did you get to a baseweight under 5 pounds?
00:39:30 - Do you recommend tracking your sleep?
00:44:55 - Why do you follow a keto diet?
00:49:52 - How do you maintain a keto diet on trail?
00;53:30 - Tell us about the early days of ultralight
00:58:50 - Why did you want to spread the gospel of ultralight?
01:03:20 - Discussion about the fiddle-factor
01:09:00 - What's your standard gear list now?
01:10:47 - Do you have practical tips for reducing fiddle time?
01:13:07 - Tell us about your trip in the Wind River Range
01:19:00 - Do you have a luxury item today?
01:20:04 - Tell us about selling your website
01:21:55 - What goes into designing a high route?
01:24:40 - Sell us on the Adventure Alan Wind River High Route
01:28:30 - Do you consider high routes to be more of a physical or intellectual challenge?
01:32:05 - Discussion about anxiety while hiking
01:34:45 - Tell us about adventuring with your wife
01:39:09 - Do you have any general marriage advice?
01:42:10 - How do you maintain your fitness into your 60s?
01:46:40 - Discussion about the definition of success
01:51:55 - What's something novel that you're excited about right now?
01:54:49 - Tell us about the Southern Sierra High Route
01:59:20 - Define "it goes"
02:00:05 - Tell us about the Escalante Overland Route
02:06:04 - Are you fully retired now?
02:07:00 - Discussion about fitness and training
02:09:50 - Tell us about the Southern Patagonia Ice Shelf
02:19:00 - Are you able to enjoy a regular trail?
02:22:10 - Tell us your near death experience in the Tetons
02:35:45 - Are you still making content?
Segments
Trek Propaganda
Sudden Blizzard on Patagonia's "O" Circuit Leaves Five Hikers Dead by Katie Jackson
Hiker Impaled on 15-Foot Branch Rescued From Trail in O'ahu by Katie Jackson
NOBO vs. SOBO on the Appalachian Trail: Which Direction Is Better? By Livvy Weld
QOTD:  What's a hill you'll die on that everyone else thinks is ridiculous?
Triple Crown of gifts for backpackers ($75 or less)
Mail Bag
5 Star Review
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Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years.
A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex and Misty with NavigatorsCrafting, Alex Kindle, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Bill Jensen, Brad & Blair Thirteen Adventures, Bret Mullins aka Cruizy, Bryan Alsop, Carl Lobstah Houde, Christopher Marshburn, Clint Sitler, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Ethan Harwell, Gillian Daniels, Greg Knight, Greg Martin, Griffin Haywood, Hailey Buckingham, Jason Kiser, Krystyn Bell, Matt from Gilbert, AZ, Patrick Cianciolo, Randy Sutherland, Rebecca Brave, Rural Juror, Sawyer Products, SPAM, The Saint Louis Shaman, Timothy Hahn, Tracy 'Trigger' Fawns
A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Bells, Benjy Lowry, Bonnie Ackerman, Brett Vandiver, Chris Pyle, David, David Neal, Dcnerdlet, Denise Krekeler, Jack Greene, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Luke Netjes, Merle Watkins, Peter, Quenten Jones, Ruth S, Salt Stain, and Spencer Hinson.

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio, presented by The Trek, I'm sitting this one out because it's the fourth edition of Girl's Stuff. Chaunce is joined by former guest Christine Reed and BPR first-timer Maggie Schoemann. The three cover hiking with a partner, where to get a vag wax on trail, birth control, weird body changes, including managing a beard on trail as a woman, eating disorders and how thru-hiking can trigger or resurface disordered eating (trigger warning), and much more. These are Chaunce's notes, so I'm just going to assume they're all accurate. 
We wrap the show with Chaunce's take on the new Diddy doc and the triple crown of the worst parts of the holidays.
Gossamer Gear: Check out the Type II collection at gossamergear.com. 
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Panel with Chaunce, Maggie, and Christine
Maggie's Instagram
Christine's Instagram
Time stamps & Questions
00:03:50 - Reminders: Apply to vlog or blog for the Trek, apply to be a Trail Correspondent, and listen to our episodes ad-free on Patreon!
00:08:45 - Introducing Maggie and Christine
00:13:26 - What is it like to do your first thru-hike while your partner finishes their Triple Crown?
00:22:30 - Discussion about making friends while thru-hiking in a couple
00:26:00 - What type of reaction did you get on the PCT?
00:32:14 - How was the Long Trail?
00:34:44 - What's it like to hike a trail that sucks with a platonic friend?
00:43:30 - Tell us about your chronic illness
00:48:30 - What specific foods did you mail yourself on the Long Trail?
00:52:35 - Discussion about PCOS
01:01:10 - Discussion about period cycles
01:09:40 - Discussion about nutrition and PCOS
01:20:00 - Discussion about PCOS and weight
01:29:50 - Trigger warning: disordered eating and body image
01:37:00 - Discussion about how thru-hiking intersects with disordered eating
02:18:20 - End trigger warning: discussion about getting waxed on trail
02:30:00 - Who determines what's cool on trail?
02:35:00 - Discussion about the evolution of women on trail
02:45:00 - Discussion about influencers on trail
02:54:00 - Recommend names of female influencers
Segments
Trek Propaganda
This Simple Backpacking Mistake Almost Cost Me My Whole Hike by Kelly Floro
QOTD: Have you seen the Diddy documentary?
Triple Crown of the worst parts of the holidays
Listener Voicemail
Mail Bag
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Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years.
A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex and Misty with NavigatorsCrafting, Alex Kindle, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Bill Jensen, Brad & Blair Thirteen Adventures, Bret Mullins aka Cruizy, Bryan Alsop, Carl Lobstah Houde, Christopher Marshburn, Clint Sitler, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Ethan Harwell, Gillian Daniels, Greg Knight, Greg Martin, Griffin Haywood, Hailey Buckingham, Jason Kiser, Krystyn Bell, Matt from Gilbert, AZ, Patrick Cianciolo, Randy Sutherland, Rebecca Brave, Rural Juror, Sawyer Products, SPAM, The Saint Louis Shaman, Timothy Hahn, Tracy 'Trigger' Fawns
A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Bells, Benjy Lowry, Bonnie Ackerman, Brett Vandiver, Chris Pyle, David, David Neal, Dcnerdlet, Denise Krekeler, Jack Greene, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Luke Netjes, Merle Watkins, Peter, Quenten Jones, Ruth S, Salt Stain, and Spencer Hinson.