Greetings and salutations loyal listeners, welcome to what promises to be another exciting addition to our Sayings on Vol and Risk. To set the table, last year, I did a 5-part series with 25 Sayings. These are concise statements I’ve wound up using many times over during the course of my career to help myself and others think about market risk. These pitchy proverbs are market maxims that explore the drivers of unanticipated change in asset prices. With the first 25 saying completed in 2024, I recently added 5 new ones, getting us to 30. This podcast gets us to 35 in total. Hope you enjoy and find interesting. 31. “Risk management suffers from a failure of imagination.”32. “Markets are a never say never business.”33. “Broken markets break down.” ~ Mike O’Rourke, Jones Trading34. “This is not your father’s ETF market.”35. “Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is an absurd one.” ~ Voltaire
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Dan Villalon, Global Co-Head of Portfolio Solutions, AQR Capital Management
Today’s world of ETFs and mutual funds increasingly features new flavors, a popular one of which is derived from embedding optionality. There are plenty of ways in which one might contemplate risk managing and shaping the distribution of equity returns using options. Common strategies like overwriting create income, but limit upside. Others like the zero cost collars create both upside and downside guardrails on returns. These strategies can be back-tested. Because they also exist in the market, with more than $200bln in AuM, the performance of the funds can be evaluated as well. With this in mind, it was a pleasure to welcome Dan Villalon, Global Co-Head of Portfolio Solutions at AQR Capital Management, back to the Alpha Exchange. Dan walks us through the findings from his research, published in a two-part series on the AQR website. In these notes, Dan dissects the drawdowns and returns across these funds. The findings are rather striking: across a wide sample of buffered funds and option-based strategies, very few delivered both higher returns and smaller drawdowns. In fact, most underperformed their beta-adjusted benchmarks on both fronts—meaning they not only lagged in returns but also failed to meaningfully protect against losses in periods like the COVID crash, the 2022 inflation-driven drawdown, and the volatility of early 2025. Even strategies designed explicitly for downside protection often fell short when it mattered most. I am a big believer in option strategies and in the value of the SPX options market as a vehicle to transfer risk. These results were a surprise to me.Dan outlines three key drivers: the persistent cost of buying options, the structural frictions involved in implementation, and the surprisingly high management fees for such rules-based products. Dan also introduces a more behavioral theory—what he calls the "placebo effect": the idea that investors feel safer simply because they're told they’re protected, even when the data shows otherwise. I hope you enjoy this episode of the Alpha Exchange, my conversation with Dan Villalon.
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Mitchell Garfin, Co-Head of Leveraged Finance, BlackRock
With nearly three decades at BlackRock, Mitch Garfin brings a deep well of experience to his role as Co-head of Leveraged Finance, overseeing high yield and leveraged loan strategies for the firm. In this episode, we explore the evolution of the credit landscape — from structural shifts in the high-yield market that leave indices of higher credit quality to managing risk in a world of tight spreads but always shifting macro narratives.Mitch shares how his team navigates dispersion, with recent focus on considering the implication of tariffs on different sectors. His team positioned for tariff-related volatility by reducing exposure to sectors like autos and consumer products perceived as most exposed to trade policy risk. Conversely, Mitch saw better value in the tech and insurance sectors.Next, we discuss advancements in trading technology and the implications for liquidity. Here, he argues that the electronification of credit markets and the growth in portfolio trading is having profound impact on risk transfer, reducing frictions and transaction costs. In the process, he shares how his team leverages tools like ETFs and the CDX product to manage exposure.I hope you enjoy this episode of the Alpha Exchange, my conversation with Mitch Garfin.
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Sayings on Vol and Risk...A Fresh Five
In 2024, I did a 5-part podcast series called “25 Sayings on Vol and Risk”. These are observations I’ve found do a nice job of describing how markets work, or perhaps better said, how markets sometimes fail to work. Because markets are always teaching us lessons, I couldn’t help but add to the original 25 with five new sayings. I’ll follow up in short order with another five.Here are our Sayings 26-30: “Financial market objects at rest tend to stay at rest.” “Realized vol rules the world.” “My portfolio is more diversified and liquid than I thought, said no one ever.” “The ten-year note, not the SPX, is the risk asset.” “Shake hands with the government and sell what they’re selling.” Hope you Enjoy!
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Benjamin Bowler, Managing Director and Global Head of Equity Derivatives Research at Bank of America
As Global Head of Equity Derivatives Research at Bank of America Merrill Lynch, Ben Bowler is helping the firm’s institutional client base understand the complex risk dynamics that impose themselves on today’s markets. His process often leads him across asset classes, looking for linkages and developing stress indices that may provide early warning signs for US equity markets.Our discussion first considers the recent SPX vol event, which, from a short-term severity standpoint, Ben puts in a category with the GFC and Covid. He further makes the point that since the Tariff uncertainty was self-imposed, it was as if we were in the midst of the Covid crisis but already had the vaccine in hand.We then explore the work that Ben and his team have done on the concept of fragility. Here, he argues that the speed and magnitude of vol spikes, flash crashes and tantrum in markets has increased. In fact, in US single stocks, he suggests that fragility is at an all-time high with the reaction to earnings faster and more violent. Two factors may be playing a role. First, there is substantial crowding in certain risk exposures, like large cap tech. And second, liquidity provision, increasingly electronic in nature and sometimes rapidly withdrawn during times of stress.Lastly, we discuss the history of innovation and how investors have generally pulled forward the benefits of path-breaking new technologies, leading to asset price bubbles. Here, Ben is thinking about right tail risk and how important optionality may be in hedging the risk that the AI bubble could inflate substantially.I hope you enjoy this episode of the Alpha Exchange, my conversation with Ben Bowler.
The Alpha Exchange is a podcast series launched by Dean Curnutt to explore topics in financial markets, risk management and capital allocation in the alternatives industry. Our in depth discussions with highly established industry professionals seek to uncover the nuanced and complex interactions between economic, monetary, financial, regulatory and geopolitical sources of risk. We aim to learn from the perspective our guests can bring with respect to the history of financial and business cycles, promoting a better understanding among listeners as to how prior periods provide important context to present day dynamics. The “price of risk” is an important topic. Here we engage experts in their assessment of risk premium levels in the context of uncertainty. Is the level of compensation attractive? Because Central Banks have played so important a role in markets post crisis, our discussions sometimes aim to better understand the evolution of monetary policy and the degree to which the real and financial economy will be impacted. An especially important area of focus is on derivative products and how they interact with risk taking and carry dynamics. Our conversations seek to enlighten listeners, for example, as to the factors that promoted the February melt-down of the VIX complex. We do NOT ask our guests for their political opinions. We seek a better understanding of the market impact of regulatory change, election outcomes and events of geopolitical consequence. Our discussions cover markets from a macro perspective with an assessment of risk and opportunity across asset classes. Within equity markets, we may explore the relative attractiveness of sectors but will NOT discuss single stocks.
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