The Marketing Architects

Only 2.6% of board directors have marketing experience. So how is marketing really being evaluated at the top? And what can marketers do about it?

This episode, Elena, Angela, and Rob are joined by Marketing Architects CFO Brent Longwall to break down how finance actually evaluates marketing investments. They cover the root causes of tension between marketing and finance, what makes a marketing pitch credible to a CFO, and how to build a shared language across both functions. If you've ever struggled to justify a brand investment or earn trust with your finance team, this one's for you.

Topics covered: 
[01:45] Marketing's shrinking influence in the boardroom
[03:30] The core tension between marketing and finance time horizons
[07:00] The three numbers your CFO checks every month
[15:00] What makes a marketing investment credible vs. suspicious
[23:00] How marketers can speak the CFO's language
[25:00] What marketers should stop (and start) saying to finance 

 

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Resources: 
Whitler, Kimberly & Krause, Ryan & Lehmann, Donald. (2018). When and How Board Members with Marketing Experience Facilitate Firm Growth. 10.1509/jm.17.0195?code=amma-site. 
 

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Welcome to Nerd Alert, a series of special episodes bridging the gap between marketing academia and practitioners. We’re breaking down highly involved, complex research into plain language and takeaways any marketer can use.

In this episode, Elena and Rob explore what happens when people feel bombarded by ads on social media and why the real threat to engagement isn't a bad ad. It's platform fatigue.

Topics covered:   
[01:05] "The Impact of Ad Overload Perception and Social Media on Ad Avoidance Behavior"
[02:10] The two theories behind why ads push people away
[03:45] How researchers measured ad clutter, fatigue and avoidance
[05:55] Why fatigue, not the ad itself, drives avoidance
[06:45] Three key takeaways for marketers
[08:00] Why TV advertising sidesteps the ad overload problem 

 

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Resources: 
Essa Tayeb, M., Chebbi, T., Badawi, A., Ali Toumi, J., & Louail, B. (2024). The impact of ad overloads perception in social media on ad avoidance behavior: The mediating effect of social media fatigue and goal impediment. Management, 28(2). https://doi.org/10.58691/man/197329  
 

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Tiny brands don't grow through loyalty. They grow through penetration. A study of 400+ brands found that growing brands increased penetration by 135%, compared to just 26% growth from purchase frequency. So where should marketers invest first?

This episode, Elena, Angela, and Rob introduce the MOO, a seven-step Marketing Order of Operations that gives marketers a clear priority sequence for building effectiveness, from defining the competitive playing field to communicating results internally. The team also covers why even small brands can't afford to ignore marketing effectiveness principles and how to balance short-term performance with long-term brand building.

Topics covered: 
[01:00] Research on tiny brands debunks the loyalty-first growth myth
[05:00] Step 1: Define your competitive playing field and category buyers
[07:30] Step 2: Build distinctive brand assets that make your brand recognizable
[12:30] Step 4: Choose channels for both short- and long-term growth
[15:00] Step 5: Build a measurement system that matches your objectives
[19:30] Step 7: Communicate results in the language of the business 

 

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Resources: 
2026 Money Guy Article: https://moneyguy.com/guide/foo/

Alicia Barker-Trowse, Steven Dunn, Charles Graham, Byron Sharp, Armando Maria Corsi, Tiny brands, big challenges: The limits of loyalty and the role of penetration in driving growth, Journal of Business Research, Volume 204, 2026, 115864, ISSN 0148-2963, https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jbusres.2025.115864.  
 

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Welcome to Nerd Alert, a series of special episodes bridging the gap between marketing academia and practitioners. We’re breaking down highly involved, complex research into plain language and takeaways any marketer can use.

In this episode, Elena and Rob explore why sustainability advertising is so hard to get right and what brands can do to close the gap between what consumers say they value and what they actually buy.

Topics covered:   
[00:55] "Sustainability Advertising: A Literature Review and Framework for Future Research"
[01:50] The gap between sustainable intent and action
[04:00] The three levers of sustainability advertising: ad context, source characteristics, and message design
[05:30] Why consumers don't trust sustainability claims and when third-party cues help
[06:15] The sustainability liability: when "eco-friendly" hurts perceived performance
[07:40] What brands can do to make sustainability messaging actually work 

 

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Resources: 
Rathee, S., & Milfeld, T. (2023). Sustainability advertising: Literature review and framework for future research. International Journal of Advertising. https://doi.org/10.1080/02650487.2023.2175300 

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7 in 10 people globally say they're hesitant to trust someone different from them, according to the 2026 Edelman Trust Barometer. Trust is getting more personal. So where does that leave brands? 

This week, Elena, Angela, and Rob explore what it really means to build a brand in a world where trust is earned through experience, not messaging. They dig into why the gap between marketing promises and reality is so damaging, how to bridge online and in-person brand moments, and what channels like TV do for brand trust that others simply can't. Plus, hear real-world examples of brands that get it right, from Snickers to Disney to Jeep. 

Topics covered: 
[01:00] 2026 Edelman Trust Barometer findings on consumer trust
[03:00] How much control marketers actually have over brand perception
[06:00] Where marketing promises most often break down
[08:30] Why marketers over-index on comms and under-index on product experience
[11:00] The moment where brand actually happens
[14:00] How TV builds familiarity that carries into other channels
[17:00] Real examples of brands bridging TV and in-person experience 

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Resources: 
2026 Edelman Trust Barometer Report: https://www.edelman.com/trust/2026/trust-barometer
 

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