Ask the A&Ps

Can you have a prop strike without a prop? This is one of the more unusual questions the hosts have faced. They also track down a carbon monoxide leak, advise on Continental rpm settings, and help an owner who likely had a pre-ignition event. Email [email protected] for a chance to be on the show. Join the world's largest aviation community at aopa.org/join Full notes below: Robert is an A&P who is trying to help a flight school track down a carbon monoxide leak in a Cherokee. An instructor had a carbon monoxide event, took up a monitor, and found that it was reading at least 300 ppm. The exhaust and heater shroud were replaced, but the cabin was still getting more than 10 ppm. He’s wondering if there is a maximum level allowed in aircraft. Mike said Car 3 didn’t have a maximum, but that Part 23 says 50 ppm is the allowed maximum under current regulations. Hypoxia and carbon monoxide are cumulative, and he said his current comfort is below 20 ppm. He also said leaning impacts CO levels. Peak or lean of peak EGT lowers CO. How it gets in is a bit of a mystery sometimes. He said there was a case where Mooneys with air conditioning were drawing in air from the intake on the side of the airplane. Paul said in a Cherokee it comes in via the forward wing attach point. There is supposed to be insulation to stop it from coming into this area, but over time they are taken out or lost. It’s often not from the engine compartment. It’s through the belly or downstream from the exhaust pipe. John wonders if you can have a prop strike without a prop on the engine. He bought an RV9 with the engine on, but no propeller. He loaded it into the back of a box truck. Stopping partway to check on it, he found the tie-down straps had slipped and the airplane had be banging around in the truck. He’s wondering if he should be concerned, and what he should be checking for. Paul said to put a dial indicator on it and check to make sure it’s less than .005. Some of the bolts on the Van’s prop simulator were lose, and one was hard to screw back in. Paul said he would be surprised if there was any damage. Jesse has a 310 with Continental engines and he’s wondering about the service bulletin that recommends maintaining 2300 RPM in cruise. Previously the hosts said it’s probably good advice when rich of peak, but you could ignore it lean of peak. He wonders if he should go lean of peak first, and then pull the prop back, or is going to a lower rpm first ok? Mike thinks it’s sufficiently brief that it won’t make a difference. Rick had an infant mortality issue with his Mooney. His A&P found valve wear, oil though the rings, and corrosion on the engine, which only had a few hundred hours. He did a top overhaul, flew for 27 hours with the propre break-in procedure. About 30 hours later he got a high CHT indication on a descent, followed by dropping oil pressure. The belly was coated with oil and only 2.5 quarts were left. They found broken rings on 3 of the cylinders. They took off the electronic ignition, but are looking for ideas as to what may have happened. Mike found Rick’s data, which showed the CHT event was in cylinder #1, and the temperature rose at around .7 degrees per second. That approaches Savvy’s rule of thumb that anything at a rate of a degree per second or higher is a pre-ignition event. The hosts think it's possible the electronic ignition was the culprit. He thinks the broken rings may be an unrelated event. Colleen said improper ring installation could have caused the new ones to break She also suggests checking to make sure he doesn’t have a cracked plug.

How to identify CamGuard in an oil analysis, erratic idles, how to check the oil, and what the wrong prop does to an engine are on tap for the latest episode. Email [email protected] for a chance to be on the show. Join the world's largest aviation community at aopa.org/join Full notes below: Tan has a 1968 Piper Arrow 180. He has an erratic idle as the engine warms. Mike and Paul said it sounds like maybe sticky valves. He and his mechanic haven’t done the wobble test. It almost can’t be a spark plug, Mike said. Colleen said it could be an ignition harness. Paul suggest he could do an in-flight mag check to help verify. Even though it should start with morning sickness, Paul said it’s not unlikely that it’s a sticky valve. Fuel could also be an issue, as they’ve cleaned the injectors, which Mike, Paul, and Colleen think they induces more problems than it solves. Dicky is concerned about his last oil analysis report. Some of his wear metals are much higher since he’s been using CamGuard, and he’s wondering whether that’s normal. High calcium and high phosphorus are CamGuard’s signatures on an oil analysis, according to Mike. One thing Mike noticed that Dicky didn’t ask about was high silica, indicating dirt in the engine. High silica usually brings high wear metals because the dirt acts to scrub the cylinders. Dicky said he had a problem with his air filter box, and had replaced a part. Enock is trying to settle a flight school debate. He checked the oil and the instructor asked if he screwed the dipstick back in when checking it, or if he just tapped the stick to the top of the tube. Everyone he asked at the school had a different answer. Paul said he screws it back in to check. Colleen agrees. Mike said all the readings should be taken with a grain of salt. He recommends running about two-thirds full. Many type certificate data sheets have a minimum level. And the only somewhat accurate reading is the first one of the day when the oil has time to fully drain back into the sump. Rex is doing his best to follow the hosts’ leaning guidance. He has an RV-8 with an IO-360 engine with high compression pistons and e-mags and a fixed pitch propeller. He isn’t able to lean full throttle, but he can at cruise power. Mike clarifies that the guidance to leave the throttle full forward was for constant-speed propellers. Operating lean of peak slows the combustion event. The flame front takes longer to propagate. Engines don’t like lean of peak if the rpm is too high because the faster speed of the engine doesn’t like the disparity. Mike said he lowers rpm while keeping the throttle full before he leans. Then Rex makes an off-handed comment about his prop pitch, which the hosts quickly pick up on. They are convinced he has the wrong prop. He’s only getting 2400 rpm at full power in cruise. He also had a denotation event, and is trying to determine what the normal timing is supposed to be.

Clogged injectors, how to care for an engine while training, avoiding costly altimeter checks, and engine design considerations are on tap for this episode. Email [email protected] for a chance to be on the show. Join AOPA to become a member of the world's largest aviation community at aopa.org/join Full notes below: Marko’s engine had a strong revving sound on takeoff. He saw that he had an EGT above 1,800 degrees and one that was below baseline. A run-up after landing made it seem like it one cylinder wasn’t firing. A borescope inspection revealed nothing unusual. A subsequent check of the injectors found that there was debris in one. His mechanic suggested it was a blocked injector. He’s wondering what would cause that. It turns out this event was soon after the annual when the injectors were cleaned. The hosts agree that the maintenance is clearly what caused the clogged injector. Mike said this is such a delicate operation that he thinks it’s almost as if the fuel system should only be cleaned under sterile conditions. Colleen said she used to clean hers, but now doesn’t because she knows the risks. Paul colorfully describes the problem of cross-contamination. Dylan teaches in a carbureted Seminole and he wants to treat the engines well, and is looking for best practices. He mentions shock cooling, which the hosts quickly debunk. The school’s engines are over TBO and they’ve never had to replace a cylinder. Obviously whatever the school is doing is working. He’s also wondering about failing the engines. Lycoming recommends failing the engine with mixture, but many people like to shut off the fuel. Mike said he wouldn’t worry about shutting the engine down from the fuel selector, and that it shouldn’t introduce air or other issues. Mike worked in the auto industry for many years, and he works on his own airplanes as much as possible. He’s wondering why aircraft engines don’t have ventilated crankcases. Mike said crankcase ventilation is primarily for environmental reasons. And piston aircraft engines have significantly more blowby. You don’t want to keep it in the crankcase. He said air/oil separators return a lot of junk back with the oil. You want the filth to leave as much as possible. Doug has three altimeters in his airplane, and he’s wondering how to save money on the checks. Mike thinks he shouldn’t be charged three times for three checks because you hook up the equipment once, and adding on a second or third altimeter doesn’t take too much additional time. Each check includes about five tests, according to Paul, and each has to be separately documented.

Mike, Paul, and Colleen sludge through oil pumps that lose prime, skipping an oil filter change, and using the right oil in this Texas tea-themed episode. Email [email protected] for a chance to get on the show. Join the world's largest aviation community at aopa.org Full notes below: Mike has a Cessna Bird Dog with an oil pump that isn’t cooperating. When he lets the airplane sit for a month or more, he doesn’t have oil pressure on the first start up. He’s conceived a workaround of pumping oil by hand into the engine and turning the prop backwards. Paul and Mike both describe having experienced this issue with Continentals. Mike said that Continental told him to prime the pump by removing the top spark plugs and pressurizing the case with shop air while you move the starter. Paul said they will unscrew the oil filter, fill it with oil, and then put it back on. Cameron is trying to protect the Aeronca that’s been in his family for decades. He thinks using thinner oil sounds good because its viscosity helps after not starting for a long time, but the thicker W100 might better protect? He flies mostly in the winter, but he preheats. Mike thinks his strategy to use W100 when it’s warm and multiweight is good for colder temps. Paul likes multiviscocity so he doesn’t have to worry about temperatures. Chuck is an A&P with another job, and he’s considering maintenance side hustles. He’s thinking of offering aircraft weighing services. He can either defuel aircraft or completely fill the tanks prior to going on the scales. Advisory circular 43-13 is unclear about which approach is better. Paul has always thought it strange that proper weighing procedures are in the POH, and not the service manual. That’s the first place to check, and the procedure that should be followed first. If there’s no procedure you go to the AC. He finds that most airplanes must be de-fueled first. Mike says to use FAR 43.13(a), which says that the mechanic must use the procedures in the maintenance manual, or acceptable practices and techniques. The AC has a note at the beginning saying that it’s only to be used if the manufacturer doesn’t have a process. But given that the procedure is in the POH, and not the maintenance manual, Mike suggests Chuck can pick and choose the way he weighs the airplane. Jared is looking for a more permanent oil filter solution. First he wonders if he can skip changing the filter when changing the oil, in part because they were hard to get at one point. Paul said the only time it’s required to change the filter is during annual, when the IA is required to inspect it. Mike said he would like to inspect the filter as often as possible. He considers it the most important thing to do to monitor engine condition. Although people have taken their filters beyond 100 hours, there is oil analysis data showing that it’s a bad idea. The hosts then discuss reusable oil filters. Mike changed to reusable filters prior to Oshkosh, and has been initially pleased with the results. The Challenger filter comes off, the filter element comes out of the can, and the filter then washed. He was astonished by what came out of the filter because it’s easier to see what comes out after washing versus having to see what’s in the pleats of a filter.