The PursueGOD Truth Podcast

Welcome back to the Truth Podcast!
In this episode, we explore the structural backbone of the entire Bible: The Covenants. From the rainbow over Noah to the cross of Christ, God has used formal, binding agreements to reveal his character and his unfolding plan for salvation. We’ll discuss the difference between a cold legal contract and a relational biblical covenant, and how each major agreement—Noahic, Abrahamic, Mosaic, and Davidic—ultimately finds its fulfillment in the New Covenant through Jesus Christ. Whether you are new to the faith or a long-time believer, understanding these divine promises will help you see the "big picture" of God’s unwavering commitment to humanity.
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The PursueGOD Truth podcast is the “easy button” for making disciples – whether you’re looking for resources to lead a family devotional, a small group at church, or a one-on-one mentoring relationship. Join us for new episodes every Tuesday and Friday.
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In part two of this story, Kevin and Jennifer continue their journey as they wrestle with what faithfulness to God looks like after discovering they still had frozen embryos from IVF 20 years earlier. They share how the Lord led them through difficult decisions, unexpected pregnancy in their fifties, and offer thoughtful advice to believers navigating infertility, IVF, and the sanctity of life.
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The PursueGOD Family podcast helps you think biblically about marriage and parenting. Join Bryan and Tracy Dwyer on Wednesday mornings for new topics every week or two.
Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org/family.
Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.
Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.
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Links mentioned in epiosde:
Kevin and Jennifer's youtube channel.
"And the test results are..."
Allie Beth Stuckey - Why I’m Glad Alabama Has Banned IVF
In part two of this remarkable story, Kevin and Jennifer Gordon share how God led them through an unexpected next chapter decades after their infertility journey first began. After adopting their daughter, welcoming two sons through IVF and natural pregnancy, and leaving frozen embryos untouched for 20 years, they found themselves wrestling with what obedience to God would look like now. What followed was a faith-filled journey of prayer, wise counsel, medical hurdles, and ultimately a pregnancy in Jennifer’s fifties that neither of them would have chosen on their own.
This episode is a powerful conversation about life, conviction, and surrender. Kevin and Jennifer reflect honestly on the emotional, spiritual, and practical realities of IVF, frozen embryos, adoption, and trusting God when the path makes no human sense. Their story challenges listeners to think carefully about the sanctity of life, the cost of obedience, and the goodness of God in every season.

In this episode we peel back the layers of the Genesis narrative to reveal a startling truth: Eden wasn't a retirement villa; it was a high-stakes job site. By examining the original Hebrew context, we discover that Adam and Eve were the world’s first priests, stationed in a "Garden-Temple" where the borders of heaven and earth met. We explore how their original mandate to "work and keep" the land was actually a sacred liturgical commission—the same one later given to the Levites in the Tabernacle. From the failure of the "first security guard" to the restoration found in the "Last Adam," this episode reframes your daily 9-to-5 not as a secular grind, but as a holy vocation. You aren't just earning a paycheck; you are an image-bearer called to bring God’s presence into every cubicle, classroom, and corner of the world.
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The PursueGOD Truth podcast is the “easy button” for making disciples – whether you’re looking for resources to lead a family devotional, a small group at church, or a one-on-one mentoring relationship. Join us for new episodes every Tuesday and Friday.
Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org.
Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.
Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.
Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at [email protected].
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How Did Adam and Eve Function Like Priests in Eden?

In this part one episode, Kevin and Jennifer Gordon share their remarkable journey through years of infertility, miscarriage, IVF, and adoption—and how, after decades of trusting God through disappointment and unexpected blessings, they now find themselves stepping into an unbelievable new chapter: a pregnancy at 52.
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The PursueGOD Family podcast helps you think biblically about marriage and parenting. Join Bryan and Tracy Dwyer on Wednesday mornings for new topics every week or two.
Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org/family.
Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.
Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.
Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at [email protected].
Donate Now
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Kevin and Jennifer Gordon join Tracy and Bryan on the Family Podcast to share the shocking news that Jennifer is pregnant at 52 years old—and how that moment is the latest chapter in a decades-long journey of infertility, grief, faith, and surrender. They rewind to their early marriage dreams of having 2–3 kids, a heartbreaking miscarriage, and years of “nothing, nothing, nothing,” followed by difficult decisions about fertility treatments they didn’t fully understand and even feared might be “playing God.” Through prayer, unexpected open doors, and wise counsel from a godly mentor, they eventually pursued IVF—while God was also softening their hearts toward adoption.
Their story takes a dramatic turn as God redirects them to adopt their daughter from China, then later leads them back to their frozen embryos—resulting in the birth of their son Eli through IVF and another surprise: a natural pregnancy that brought their third child, Ethan. With three kids and years passing, they left remaining embryos frozen, assuming they’d “deal with it later,” even as a quiet conviction lingered. In recent years, new cultural conversations about embryos reignited the issue, and Jennifer sensed God stirring again. The episode ends at a powerful Good Friday service where she realizes she’s been holding a hidden “no” toward God—and she fully surrenders, open to whatever God asks next, even if it means something unimaginable in their 50s.

FAILURE TO LAUNCH
Big Idea: Spiritual maturity isn’t about age; it’s about the “launch.” It’s the moment you stop being a consumer of the church and start being a contributor to the mission.
In 2018, a bizarre story made national headlines. A 30-year-old man named Michael Rotondo was sued by his own parents because he refused to move out of their house. He didn’t pay rent. He didn’t help with chores. He ignored written eviction notices. Eventually, his parents had to take him to court just to get him to leave. The judge ruled that being a family member doesn’t entitle someone to stay indefinitely without contributing. He was ordered to launch.
We laugh at stories like that because they feel extreme. But the author of Hebrews delivers a similar rebuke—not to a lazy adult son, but to churchgoers who refused to grow up spiritually.
Hebrews 5:11–14 (NLT) says:
“There is much more we would like to say about this, but it is difficult to explain, especially since you are spiritually dull and don’t seem to listen.You have been believers so long now that you ought to be teaching others. Instead, you need someone to teach you again the basic things about God’s word. You are like babies who need milk and cannot eat solid food.For someone who lives on milk is still an infant and doesn’t know how to do what is right.Solid food is for those who are mature, who through training have the skill to recognize the difference between right and wrong.”The message is clear: spiritual maturity isn’t automatic. It doesn’t come with time served in church. It comes with intentional growth.
Today we see three marks of spiritual “grown-ups” straight from this text.
1. Spiritual grown-ups don’t just read — they study.
The author rebukes them for still needing “milk.” Milk isn’t bad. It’s essential for babies. But it’s tragic for adults. Milk is predigested. It requires no effort.
Spiritually speaking, “milk” is relying only on what others say about God. It’s surviving on a weekly sermon and never digging deeper. If your only spiritual intake is 30 minutes on Sunday, you’re on a liquid diet.
Reading the Bible is good. It’s like taking a scenic drive through beautiful country. Studying the Bible is getting out of the car and reading the historical markers. It means slowing down and asking questions.
That’s where inductive Bible study comes in:
Observation: What does the text say?
Interpretation: What did it mean to the original audience?
Application: How does it apply today?

The Bible was written to people in a specific time and culture, but it was written for us. Studying moves us from surface-level familiarity to life-shaping understanding.
And this leads naturally to the second mark of maturity.
2. Spiritual grown-ups don’t just study — they apply.
Hebrews 5:13 says an infant “doesn’t know how to do what is right.” Knowledge without obedience produces immaturity.
You can know Greek word studies. You can debate theology. You can listen to endless podcasts. But if you don’t obey, you’re spiritually stalled.
Verse 14 says mature believers are those who “through training have the skill to recognize the difference between right and wrong.” The word “training” comes from the Greek word gymnazō — where we get “gymnasium.” Growth requires exercise.
Application is spiritual training. It’s forgiveness when it’s hard. It’s generosity when it’s costly. It’s integrity when no one is watching.
Information alone doesn’t transform. Obedience does.
If we only “taste” truth without walking in it, our hearts grow dull. Discernment comes from practiced obedience.
3. Spiritual grown-ups don’t just apply — they teach.
Hebrews 5:12 says, “You have been believers so long now that you ought to be teaching others.”
This is the launch.
The goal of maturity isn’t self-improvement. It’s multiplication.
Ephesians 4:14 (NLT) says:
“Then we will no longer be immature like children. We won’t be tossed and blown about by every wind of new teaching.”Teaching others stabilizes your own faith. When you pour out, you grow up.
There is a shift every believer must make—from consumer to contributor. From audience to ambassador. From “What am I getting?” to “Who am I helping?”
The cure for spiritual dullness isn’t more consumption. It’s contribution.
When Michael Rotondo was evicted, he didn’t thank his parents. He said he was outraged. He wanted to stay a child forever.
God loves us too much to let us stay spiritually rotund—full but unproductive. He calls us out of comfort and into mission.
Don’t fight the launch. Don’t settle for the bottle when God has a feast—and a purpose—waiting for you.
Spiritual maturity isn’t about how long you’ve believed. It’s about whether you’ve launched.