Stephan Livera Podcast

Walter Maffione, CEO and co-founder of KaleidoSwap, join me to explain how the project grew from an RGB Lightning DEX into a broader swap engine and LSP stack — Lightning as rails between Liquid, Arkade, Taproot Assets, Spark, and RGB — plus KaleidoSDK, desktop app, and browser Extension.
We dig into web app and SDK integrations for merchants and unified-balance wallets, how HTLC atomicity works across layers, BOLT 12 multi-asset offers and Nostr discovery for competing providers, Bitcoin-only scope with Flashnet and Utexo bridges for external stables, and a product lineup of desktop app, browser extension, and dual SDKs.
Walter also covers agentic payments via MCP plugins, self-sovereign local models with Tether’s QVAC, fee ranges around 0.5–1%, and a one-to-three-month mainnet launch path for the extension, swap provider, and web app.
Timestamp:
00:00 — Intro: Walter & KaleidoSwap
00:50 — From RGB to Multi-Layer Swaps
02:14 — LSP Plus Swap Provider Stack
03:42 — Merchants, Stables, Unified Balance
05:38 — Why Swap UX Took Over Wallets
06:42 — Liquidity Ops and Mainnet Path
07:58 — AI Attacks After Boltz Shutdown
10:23 — Defending Non-Custodial Swaps
12:18 — How Atomic Swaps Actually Work
13:36 — RGB, Liquid, Arkade, Spark 
14:36 — Open Spec, BOLT 12, Nostr Discovery
18:23 — Pay Anything via the SDK
19:34 — Bitcoin Layers Only + Bridges
22:05 — Desktop, Extension, Dual SDKs
25:05 — UX That Adapts to the User
26:32 — Agentic Payments and QVAC
33:22 — MCP Plugins, Keep Your Own AI
35:11 — Fees Around 0.5–1%
35:57 — Launch Timeline: Next 1–3 Months
37:05 — Find KaleidoSwap Online
Links: 
https://x.com/bit_walt

https://x.com/kaleidoswap

https://docs.kaleidoswap.com/whats-kaleidoswap/introduction

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Recent attacks exposed how even large, educated Bitcoin holders remained exposed through single-vendor setups. The core lesson is that self-custody alone does not remove single points of failure; deliberate design is required.
Dhruv Bansal, co-founder and CISO of Unchained, joins to examine these incidents and the practical barriers that keep most hardware wallet users on single sig despite years of warnings.
The conversation covers the gap between theoretical multisig knowledge and actual adoption, the trade-offs between anonymity and regulated inheritance paths, why newer layers attract attacks first, and the need for human review of AI-generated code at Bitcoin firms.
Bansal argues that cryptographic hardware will become ordinary infrastructure for everyone in an AI-driven internet, not a niche Bitcoin tool, and that mature risk systems rely on fractal networks rather than centralized controls.
Timestamps:
01:42 — No Single Points of Failure Allowed
05:34 — Even Large Holders Skip Multisig?
09:14 — You Could Be Your Own Failure Point
13:35 — Anonymity vs KYC
16:27 — Don't Half-Ass Your Bitcoin Security
21:23 — One Wallet, True Multi-Vendor Security
24:24 — Single Sig Can Still Lose Everything
30:26 — Why Everyone Will Need Hardware Wallets
32:06 — Why Attackers Hit Bitcoin L2s First
36:32 — Bitcoin Firms Must Human-Review AI Code
40:05 — Bitcoin as Humanity's AI Defense System
42:59 — Remove Single Points of Failure Forever
45:25 — Hardware Wallets at Every Gas Station
47:34 — Bitcoiners and Key Entropy
Links: 
https://x.com/dhruvbansal

https://x.com/unchained

https://www.unchained.com/

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00:00 - Interview with Gabriele Vernetti of Stratum V2 @gitgab19
15:38 - Interview with Jimmy Kostro @jimmykostro
29:30 - Interview with James Check of checkonchain
Links: https://x.com/gitgab19
https://x.com/jimmykostro
https://x.com/_checkonchain
https://x.com/_checkmatey_
https://x.com/stratumv2
Bitcoinchiangmai.org

Interviews at Bitcoin Asia 2026 Day 2
00:00 - Piriya Sambandaraksa
05:14 - Alexander Mann
11:04 - Shone Anstey of LQWD
17:03 -Liam Eagen from Ideal Group
Links: 
https://x.com/piriya

https://x.com/idealgroup

https://x.com/liameagen

https://x.com/LQWDTech

https://x.com/shoneanstey

https://x.com/alex_singh_mann

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In this episode, I interviewed several people at Bitcoin Asia 2026.
Timestamps:
00:00 - Interview with Adam Poulton
06:28 Interview with Giovanni Santostasi
15:18 Interview Jeff Walton of Strive
34:11 Interview with Alex B from ArkLabs
Links: 
http://x.com/Giovann35084111

http://x.com/adampoulton

http://x.com/bergealex4

http://x.com/arklabshq

http://x.com/punterjeff

http://x.com/strive

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