Faith Driven Entrepreneur

The Dream He Couldn't Shake
Host Justin Forman sits down with Chris Tomlin, worship leader, songwriter, and founder of For Others, for a conversation about what happens when the platform God gives you turns out to be for something bigger than the thing you're famous for.
He was 18, knew three songs, and had never led worship in his life. At the end of a youth camp week in East Texas, the speaker put a hand on his head and prayed that God would make him a psalm writer for his generation. Three decades later, the man whose songs the global church sings on Sunday mornings is in statehouses talking about the 400,000 kids in America's foster care system.
Chris Tomlin helped shape modern worship music from the inside, back when radio stations told him his songs were "Sunday morning music" and nothing more. It took three albums before one got played. That same pioneering instinct — hacking a trail where no template existed — is what he brought to For Others, the organization he founded after a dream he couldn't forget and a question from his pastor he couldn't answer. Today For Others convenes best-in-class child welfare organizations, states, and donors around a single goal: ending the foster care crisis in America.
Key Topics:
- The prayer at 18 that set the trajectory of a 30-year career, spoken over a kid who didn't have any songs yet
- Pioneering a new category: why radio wouldn't play worship music, and what six years of knocking on doors taught him
- Hebrews 13:15-16 and the conviction that worship which doesn't change the world isn't finished yet
- The dream of a filled stadium and an abandoned baby in the street, and the decade it took to understand it 
- Good Friday Nashville: why he decided to give away every dollar before he knew there would be any
- 400,000 kids in foster care, 400,000 churches in America, and the math that lit him up
- Building For Others as a neutral convener rather than another agency, and why that became the secret sauce
Chris's story is the entrepreneur's story in a different key: no template, no permission, no clear next step. Just enough light for the step in front of him. If you've been sitting on a calling you can't fully explain yet, this conversation is a case study in what obedience looks like before the plan exists.

The Richest Person in Heaven
Host Justin Forman sits down with John Maxwell, leadership author and founder of EQUIP, for a conversation that reframes what it means to build wealth, take risks, and finally stop being embarrassed about the gospel.
It started with a cassette tape colored pink by accident and a five-dollar ask to 39 strangers in a Jackson, Mississippi hotel conference room. Four decades later, that same instinct — just get good, and add value to people — has made John Maxwell the bestselling leadership author in the world and the architect of what may be the largest quiet evangelism movement on the planet.
About John Maxwell: John Maxwell is a New York Times bestselling author, speaker, and founder of EQUIP, a global leadership training organization that has trained over six million leaders in every country in the world. He has written 92 books on leadership, with 14 more underway. Through EQUIP's "Beyond Success" small group curriculum — now running in over 191,000 groups worldwide — more than four million people have come to Christ in the last six years.
Key Topics:

How a $5-a-month cassette tape club in the 1980s became the foundation of Maxwell's global platform
Why insecurity, not disagreement, is what actually keeps entrepreneurs and pastors apart
The theology of risk: why Maxwell believes potential only exists outside of safety
Rethinking the "financial finish line" — and why picking a number for significance beats picking one for security
The real difference between accumulating wealth and stewarding it
How Maxwell "crossed over" from 25 years as a pastor into the secular business world — and what it cost him in credibility before it paid off
Inside EQUIP's Beyond Success model: training leaders first, then earning the right to ask a single, permission-based question about faith

For entrepreneurs wrestling with what to do with what they've built, this conversation is a direct challenge to the idea that safety, security, or a finish line is ever the goal. Maxwell makes the case that the biggest regrets aren't what we did — they're what we were too afraid to try.

From a Billion Downloads to a Bigger Vision: Bobby Gruenewald on Building the World's Most-Used Bible App
Host Justin Forman sits down with Bobby Gruenewald, Founder and Chief Innovation Officer of YouVersion, for a conversation that pulls back the curtain on how a donor-funded ministry built and scaled the most downloaded Bible app in the world.
Bobby just crossed a milestone: 1 billion devices with a YouVersion app installed. But instead of celebrating the number, he's already recalibrating around a vision for 3 billion by 2033 — because for Bobby, "more" was never the compelling part. In this conversation, he walks through the funnel metrics, the streaks feature, and the machine-learning-driven personalization that power YouVersion's engagement strategy, and connects every one of those business decisions back to a theology of stewardship, humility, and trust.
Key Topics:
• Why YouVersion measures success by daily engagement (DAU+4), not downloads
• The donor-funded business model — no subscriptions, no data sales, no ads
• How Bobby's team uses passive personalization to meet people where they are
• The "streaks" feature and the psychology of habit formation
• Why Bobby hires learners instead of experts
• Stewardship vs. ownership — and what the parable of the talents has to do with company culture
• Why "problem casting" is a broken fundraising model, and what to do instead
For entrepreneurs building anything mission-driven, this episode is a masterclass in translating business rigor into Kingdom impact — without losing the soul of the mission in the process.

From the Rose Bowl to Real Estate: Colt McCoy on Identity, Injury, and the Long Obedience After Football
Host Justin Forman sits down with Colt McCoy, former University of Texas and NFL quarterback, for a conversation that traces how a career-altering injury on the biggest stage of his life became the foundation for a faith that never wavered — through 14 years in the NFL and into a new season as a commercial real estate entrepreneur in Fort Worth.
Colt McCoy played quarterback at the University of Texas and spent 14 seasons in the NFL before retiring to found a commercial real estate company alongside partners at HPI in Fort Worth, Texas. Raised in West Texas by a coaching family, Colt has spent his entire adult life "in a glass box" — watched, known, and never quite off the record. This conversation traces that journey from a national championship injury that shattered his sense of identity to the quiet, unglamorous grind of starting a business from scratch.

Key Topics:
The night before the national championship game and the injury that changed everything

Why Colt says his identity was "totally on football" — and what it meant when that was taken away

Growing up in a coaching family in West Texas and learning leadership as a young quarterback

Living in a "glass box" — faith and integrity when everyone is watching

The elbow injury that ended his NFL career and the hard conversation that followed

Praying through a life transition with his wife after 14 years of football-first structure

What playing quarterback taught him about leading a team through crisis

Building a faith-first commercial real estate company from the ground up in Fort Worth

For entrepreneurs walking through their own transitions — whether that's a career ending, a new venture starting, or an identity being re-formed — Colt's story is a picture of what it looks like to hold tightly to Christ and loosely to everything else. This conversation is a reminder that our calling doesn't end when the game does.

Two Tunics and $7.5 Billion

Host Justin Forman sits down with Finny Kuruvilla, MD, PhD, Co-Founder and Co-Chief Investment Officer of Eventide Asset Management, for a conversation that moves from a 32-year-old jacket to a $7.5 billion investment thesis — and asks what it actually means to own something, whether it's a stock, a business, or a life.
Finny still wears the jacket his mom bought him for medical school interviews in 1994. That's not nostalgia — it's conviction, traced back to a single verse about tunics that rearranged how he thinks about money, ownership, and enough. That same conviction became the founding thesis of Eventide: investing is ownership, and ownership carries ethical responsibility. Nearly two decades later, Eventide manages $7.5 billion under that idea, and Finny — father of nine, homeschooler, and a physician-scientist by training — is still wrestling with what it means to hold power, capital, and gifting without letting any one of them define him.

Key Topics:

• Why Finny still wears one jacket — and the Bible study that started it
• The founding thesis of Eventide: investing as ownership, ownership as ethical responsibility
• Raising nine kids with zero screens before junior high and no phones until 18
• The family worship streak that hit 200 days — and what happens when it does
• Why "the powers that be" today are algorithms, not nations
• The Great Commission, Great Commandment, and Great Cultivation — and why entrepreneurs need all three
• Why science deepened Finny's worship instead of shrinking it
• The communication gap that makes people distrust business and medicine
This conversation is for any entrepreneur who has confused simplicity with sacrifice, or capital with control. Finny makes the case that ownership — of money, of a business, of a calling — was never meant to be casual. Walk away with a sharper sense of what you actually hold, and Who it belongs to.
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Finny Kuruvilla is the Co-Chief Investment Officer at Eventide Asset Management, LLC. Views expressed in this podcast are intended for information purposes and do not constitute investment advice. Eventide does not provide tax, accounting, or legal advice. Eventide's values-based approach to investing may not produce desired results and could result in underperformance compared with other investments. There is no guarantee that any investment will achieve its objectives, generate positive returns, or avoid losses. Assets under management data is as of 02/12/2026.