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All Things Internal Audit: Fraud Podcast
"The Fall of the Trusted Leader"
Listen to The IIA's Fraud Podcast, brought to you by All Things Internal Audit. The Fraud Podcast provides fictionalized accounts of real-world frauds featured in Internal Auditor magazine's Fraud department. 
In this episode, a small-town bank built on trust begins to unravel when a persistent internal auditor notices patterns that don't quite add up. What starts as a routine review of commercial lending reveals missing records, suspicious payment activity, and mounting resistance from leadership. As regulators step in, the true scope of the scheme comes into focus, exposing how unchecked authority and weakened controls can bring down even the most trusted institutions.
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Chapters:
Introduction to the Case (00:00:00)
Part 1: The Bank Everyone Trusted (00:00:23)

Part 2: Patterns Don't Lie (00:01:55)

Part 3: Pressure Builds (00:03:07)

Part 4: What the Files Revealed (00:04:30)

Part 5: The Cost of Trust (00:06:06)


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The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit 
 
In this special milestone episode, Terry Grafenstine sits down with Anthony Pugliese to reflect on five years of leadership at The IIA. He shares what it's meant to lead a global profession during a period of unprecedented change, from modernizing the Standards and advancing advocacy to strengthening the talent pipeline and navigating cultural complexity across more than 100 countries. The conversation discusses leadership through influence, professional judgment, integrity, and what it truly means to represent an entire profession on the world stage. 
 
HOST: Terry Grafenstine, CIA, CPA, CGAP, CISSP, CISA
Former Global Chair, The Institute of Internal Auditors


GUEST: Anthony Pugliese, CIA, CPA, CGMA, CITP
President & CEO, The Institute of Internal Auditors




 
KEY POINTS:

Introduction and Five Years of Leadership [00:00:02–00:02:47]
What Makes Leading a Global Professional Association Unique [00:03:03–00:06:16]
Leading Through Influence, Buy-In, and Indirect Authority [00:06:27–00:08:08]
The Weight of Representing an Entire Profession [00:08:15–00:10:17]
Building a Truly Global Culture at The IIA [00:10:39–00:13:53]
Balancing Legacy With the Changing Needs of the Profession [00:14:01–00:16:10]
Advice for New and Emerging Internal Audit Leaders [00:17:01–00:19:11]
What Strong Internal Audit Leadership Looks Like Today [00:19:44–00:23:13]
What the CEO Role Looks Like Behind the Scenes [00:24:00–00:27:40]
Managing Diverse Perspectives Across a Global Profession [00:27:48–00:29:27]
How the Pace of Change Has Redefined the Role [00:30:10–00:32:16]
Staying Grounded Amid Travel, Pressure, and Responsibility [00:32:23–00:34:06]
What Anthony Hopes Members Feel From This Chapter of Leadership [00:34:19–00:36:35]
The Most Meaningful Part of Leading The IIA [00:37:26–00:39:47]
Final Reflections on the Future of the Profession [00:39:56–00:41:35]
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IIA RELATED CONTENT: 
Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources:
Vision 2035
Global Internal Audit Standards
About Us: Anthony J. Pugliese


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The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit Tech
 
Internal audit is no longer operating in a world of fixed scopes and hindsight reviews. As risk becomes continuous, digital, and increasingly driven by AI-enabled decisions, audit must evolve just as quickly.
 
 
In this episode, Aadesh Gandhre is joined by Dave Montez and Richard Penfil from PayPal to introduce swarm auditing; an emerging approach that combines human judgment with orchestrated AI agents working in parallel. They discuss how audit functions can move beyond prompt libraries, embed AI directly into audit workflows, and rethink the assurance operating model without sacrificing independence or professional judgment.
 
HOST: Aadesh Gandhre, CISA
Chief Audit Executive, DTCC

GUESTS: Dave Montez
Chief Audit Executive, PayPal
Richard Penfil
Data Science Manager, Audit Operations, PayPal

 
KEY POINTS:
Introduction to Swarm Auditing and the Limits of Traditional Audit Models [00:00:02–00:01:25]

Why Audit Must Evolve for Continuous, AI-Driven Risk [00:01:40–00:03:26]

From Static Audit Cycles to Constant Evolution [00:03:27–00:04:17]

The "Flip Phone in a Smartphone World" Analogy [00:04:54–00:05:12]

The Mindset Shift Required for Swarm Auditing [00:05:48–00:07:32]

Cultural, Legal, and Psychological Barriers to AI Adoption [00:07:36–00:08:41]

Failing Forward and Creating Permission to Experiment [00:08:49–00:09:54]

From Doers to Reviewers: How the Auditor's Role Evolves [00:10:02–00:11:28]

Responsiveness to Change as a Core Audit Skill [00:11:40–00:12:29]

Building AI for Audit vs. Adopting Enterprise AI [00:12:39–00:14:23]

Making Space for AI Experimentation Within the Audit Plan [00:14:32–00:16:35]

Embedding AI Into Daily Audit Workflows [00:16:45–00:18:45]

What Swarm Auditing Really Means [00:19:00–00:20:39]

Managing Independence While Sharing AI Capabilities [00:21:10–00:22:32]

Moving Beyond Prompt Libraries to Agentic Swarms [00:23:38–00:25:03]

Collaboration Across Audit Functions and the Profession [00:25:14–00:27:09]

One Meaningful First Step Toward Swarm Auditing [00:27:50–00:28:25]

Closing Thoughts on the Future of Audit and Innovation [00:28:31–00:29:26]



IIA RELATED CONTENT: 
Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources:
GAM 2026
2026 Analytics, Automation and AI Virtual Conference
AI Knowledge Centers
Learning Solutions: Leveraging Artificial Intelligence in Internal Audit
Global Internal Audit Standards
 
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The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit
AI regulation is no longer on the horizon. It's here. In this episode, Ernest Anunciacion talks with Marko Horvat about how global AI regulations are reshaping governance, risk management, and the role of internal audit. They discuss why regulators are prioritizing risk to individuals and how AI governance spans the full system life cycle.

HOST:
Ernest Anunciacion, CIA
Head of Product Marketing, MindBridge AI
 
GUEST:
Marko Horvat, CPA
Senior Vice President of Business Transformation, ELB Learning
 




KEY POINTS:
Introduction and episode overview [00:00:01 – 00:00:28]

Why AI regulation is accelerating globally [00:00:56 – 00:01:26]

How regulators are redefining risk as harm to individuals [00:01:35 – 00:02:18]

EU-style risk tiering and prohibited vs. high-risk AI use cases [00:02:37 – 00:03:36]

Human-in-the-loop expectations and judgment-based AI decisions [00:03:36 – 00:04:11]

What regulators expect organizations to demonstrate [00:04:31 – 00:05:32]

Internal audit's expanding role across the AI life cycle [00:05:38 – 00:06:39]

Readiness assessments and the challenge of locating AI use [00:06:59 – 00:07:27]

AI literacy skills auditors need today [00:07:43 – 00:09:29]

Explainable AI, hallucinations, and model drift [00:08:21 – 00:09:29]

Common audit gaps: shadow AI, monitoring, and third-party risk [00:09:44 – 00:12:00]

Why vendor AI does not transfer accountability [00:12:02 – 00:12:21]

What internal audit teams should be doing right now [00:12:32 – 00:14:28]

Balancing continuous monitoring with new risk exposure [00:13:48 – 00:14:20]

Partnering with legal and compliance on AI governance [00:14:40 – 00:15:10]

Final takeaways: AI regulation is no longer theoretical [00:15:28 – 00:16:31]


IIA RELATED CONTENT: 
Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources:
GAM 2026
2026 Analytics, Automation and AI Virtual Conference
AI Knowledge Centers
Learning Solutions: European Union Regulations
Learning Solutions: Leveraging Artificial Intelligence in Internal Audit
Global Internal Audit Standards
 
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The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit
Deepfakes are reshaping fraud, trust, and evidence, and challenging what organizations can rely on as "proof." In this episode, Andrew Guasp speaks with Corey Chadderton about how AI-generated media is being used to impersonate leadership and bypass controls, why the barriers to entry have collapsed, and what internal auditors must do to strengthen governance, training, and response as these risks accelerate into 2026.

HOST:
Andrew Guasp, CIA, CFE
Senior manager, Standards & Professional Guidance, The IIA

GUEST:
Corey Chadderton, IAP
Internal Auditor, Barbados Water Authority






KEY POINTS:
Introduction to Deepfakes and Audit Risk [00:00:02–00:00:40]

What Are Deepfakes and Why Auditors Must Pay Attention [00:00:40–00:02:40]

How Deepfake Technology Works (Without Becoming a Technical Expert) [00:02:50–00:04:10]

Deepfakes as a "Force Multiplier" for Fraud [00:04:20–00:06:22]

Real-World Deepfake Fraud and Governance Failures [00:06:24–00:08:36]

Reputational Risk, Content Monitoring, and Trust Breakdown [00:08:36–00:09:32]

Where Organizations Are Most Vulnerable Today [00:09:51–00:12:59]

Applying Cyber Testing Techniques to Deepfake Risk [00:13:10–00:13:55]

Red Flags and Indicators of Manipulated Media [00:14:04–00:16:10]

The Power of the Pause and Training Against Urgency Attacks [00:16:13–00:18:22]

Limits of Deepfake Detection Tools and the Human Factor [00:18:28–00:22:01]

Professional Skepticism Beyond the Audit Function [00:22:01–00:23:51]

Internal Audit's Advisory Role in Policies and Incident Response [00:24:02–00:27:14]

Staying Ahead Through Continuous Risk Assessment [00:27:23–00:30:04]

Closing Thoughts [00:30:04–00:30:19]


IIA RELATED CONTENT: 
Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources:
GAM 2026
AI Knowledge Centers
CEO Message: Combating Deepfakes
Global Internal Audit Standards
 
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