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    167: [Robin Lee] He Cast a Spell on Her // Part 1

    2026/03/13 | 28 mins.
    Content Warning: intrafamilial sexual abuse, substance abuse, substance abuse disorder, domestic violence, child-to-parent violence, elder abuse, parricide, and murder.
    Robin Lee is a court reporter, mother, survivor, and co-victim of murder from Southern California. Although Robin’s career in the criminal justice system has given her a unique perspective, it was the loss of her beloved mother, Jerri Lynn Boswell, that truly opened her eyes to the realities of the criminal justice processes. Jerri Lynn’s 2021 murder came after years of documented abuse at the hands of her son, Robin’s brother. And after what felt like a never-ending battle to seek justice that also took years, Robin is left picking up the pieces of her origin family. The Broken Cycle Media team is incredibly grateful for Robin’s friendship, honesty, openness, and willingness to share Jerri Lynn with our audience. This episode is dedicated to Jerri Lynn Boswell.
    If you or someone you know is a victim of domestic violence, please consider seeking safety resources via https://www.thehotline.org/. For a list of additional resources and related non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources
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    Special Preview: The Final Hours with Sarah Turney and Kourtney Nichole

    2026/03/12 | 4 mins.
    Content warning: missing persons and murder.
    Today, we’re sharing a preview of The Final Hours, a true crime podcast from Crime House, powered by PAVE Studios.
    Hosted by Sarah Turney and Kourtney Nichole, The Final Hours examines the moments just before a person disappears. The routines. The timelines. And the small details that often get overlooked, until it’s too late.
    Sarah is an advocate for missing and murdered victims whose sister disappeared in 2001. Kourtney is a true crime storyteller and investigator who witnessed firsthand how crime can change a family forever. Together, they bring lived experience into every case, looking not only at what happened, but what led up to it.
    Listen to and follow The Final Hours on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, or wherever you listen to podcasts. New episodes are out every Monday.
    Listen and follow here: https://play.megaphone.fm/qa6sj75qqrcwwihme4ljnw
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    166: Ep. 99 [Lisa Phillips] Get To The Truth - 11/29/2024

    2026/03/06 | 43 mins.
    Content warning: sexual abuse, sexual assault, childhood sexual abuse, statutory rape, human trafficking, sex trafficking, and suicide.
    This episode originally aired on November 29th, 2024.
    Lisa Phillips is a model, actress, survivor, and victim advocate who has spent much of her life all over the world. While cultivating a career in the modeling and acting industries, Lisa even found herself overseas and as a guest on Jeffrey Epstein’s private island. That specific trip would become quite traumatic for Lisa, and although she would never return to the property again, she would soon be trafficked into a vast and widespread ring that enabled mass sexual assault. However, it wouldn’t be until after navigating the legal system and sharing her story with other survivors of the same serial abuser, that Lisa truly was confronted by the depth of her trauma. The Broken Cycle Media team is so grateful Lisa was willing to share all that came next for her in her healing process, and in creating her beautiful podcast community entitled From Now On.
    Lisa's Links:
    From Now On Podcast: https://www.lisaphillips.la/podcast
    Lisa Phillips' Website: https://www.lisaphillips.la/
    From Now On Podcast Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/fromnowonpod
    Lisa's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/iamlisaphillips
    For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources
    Sources:
    ABC 7 Chicago. (2024, July 2). Jeffrey Epstein grand jury documents released by judge in Florida [Video]. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x8ESdS_mkU.
    CBS New York. (2019, July 6). Jeffrey Epstein Arrested For Sex Trafficking [Video]. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tJ9-tFKJaA&list=PPSV
    Cohen, L. (2023, November 9). JPMorgan’s $290 million settlement with Epstein accusers approved by US judge. Reuters. https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-judge-weigh-jpmorgans-290-million-settlement-with-epstein-accusers-2023-11-09/
    Ghislaine Maxwell Charged In Manhattan Federal Court For Conspiring With Jeffrey Epstein To Sexually Abuse Minors. (2020, July 2). United States Attorney’s Office. https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/ghislaine-maxwell-charged-manhattan-federal-court-conspiring-jeffrey-epstein-sexually
    Ghislaine Maxwell Sentenced To 20 Years In Prison For Conspiring With Jeffrey Epstein To Sexually Abuse Minors. (2022, June 28). United States Attorney’s Office. https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/ghislaine-maxwell-sentenced-20-years-prison-conspiring-jeffrey-epstein-sexually-abuse
    NBC News. (2024, January 4). Newly unsealed documents reveal Jeffrey Epstein’s relationships with powerful people [Video]. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_x7tg5YO5s&t=4s
    Jeffrey Epstein Charged In Manhattan Federal Court With Sex Trafficking Of Minors. (2019, July 8). Press Release. https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/jeffrey-epstein-charged-manhattan-federal-court-sex-trafficking-minors
    Judge releases 2006 PBC grand jury documents in Jeffrey Epstein criminal case. (2024, July 1). [Video]. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfPV4c2Tnic&t=32s
    Over $150 Million Paid to Jeffrey Epstein Victims by His Estate Claim Executors in Latest Financial Filing. (2023, November 14). Inside Edition. https://www.insideedition.com/jeffrey-epstein-victims-payments-estate-value
    Will We Ever Know How Many Girls Jeffrey Epstein Abused? (2019, July 19). The Cut. https://www.thecut.com/2019/07/how-many-jeffrey-epstein-victims-are-there.html
    WFLA News Channel 8. (2024, July 2). New documents reveal sordid life of Billionaire Jeffrey Epstein [Video]. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HloA3-rZnFw&list=PPSV&t=72s
    WPBF 25 News. (2024, July 1). Judge releases grand jury records in 2008 Jeffrey Epstein criminal case [Video]. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3erEsEhjLk&t=12s
    WPTV News. (2024, July 1). Breakdown of newly released Epstein grand jury testimony [Video]. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCz87fmI5ks&list=PPSV
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    Presenting 30 for 30 Podcasts: MURDER AT THE U

    2026/02/28 | 8 mins.
    Content warning: murder.
    The cold-blooded murder of a rising college football star stunned the University of
    Miami - and now, nearly 20 years later, a former teammate stands trial for the crime.
    An investigative series from ESPN’s acclaimed 30 for 30 Podcasts, “Murder at the U”
    unravels a story of betrayal, brotherhood, and the long road to justice in one of the
    most gripping sports crime stories in recent memory. With in-depth reporting and
    jaw-dropping twists, this true crime series explores the shocking death of Bryan Pata
    as it finally heads to the courtroom.
    For the complete story, head over to ESPN's 30 for 30 Podcasts.
    30 for 30 Podcasts website:
    https://30for30podcasts.com/
    ESPN's 30 for 30 Podcasts on Apple:
    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/30-for-30-podcasts/id1244784611
    30 for 30 Podcasts: MURDER AT THE U Trailer
    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/introducing-murder-at-the-u/id1244784611?i=1000746832310
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    165: [Marina Lacerda] Power & Connections // Part 2

    2026/02/27 | 26 mins.
    Content Warning: grooming, domestic violence, physical violence, sexual violence, sexual abuse, childhood sexual abuse, and sex trafficking.
    In these two episodes we feature Marina Lacerda, a survivor and mother from Brazil. In her youth, she immigrated to New York with her mother in hopes of forging a new life. Almost immediately, Marina would begin to face sexual and physical violence that normalized a long cycle of abuse. By the time she was 14, Marina would be introduced to Jeffrey Epstein, a man that seemed to symbolize success and wealth, but only added to her trauma. Eventually, Marina would play a part in both of the FBI’s attempts at justice in 2008 and 2019, when during the latter, she would be dubbed, “Minor Victim 1.” Marina’s journey is a testament to the impact of the cycle of abuse, but it also is a testament to her personal resilience and strength. The Broken Cycle Media team is incredibly honored she was willing to share her story with our audience, and continues to be transparent about her healing journey in the name of advocacy.
    Marina's Instagram:
    https://www.instagram.com/marinalacerdaforsurvivors/
    Sources:
    Chappell, Bill. “Jeffrey Epstein Files: Tracing the Legal Cases That Led to Sex-Trafficking Charges.” NPR, NPR, 25 July 2025, www.npr.org/2025/07/25/nx-s1-5478620/jeffrey-epstein-crimes-timeline-legal-case
    Diaz, Jaclyn. “Jeffrey Epstein’s Former Prosecutors Used ‘poor Judgment’ in Deal, Doj Says.” NPR, NPR, 12 Nov. 2020, www.npr.org/2020/11/12/934265386/jeffrey-epsteins-former-prosecutors-used-poor-judgment-in-deal-doj-says
    Sardarizadeh, Shayan. “Details of Jeffrey Epstein Post-Mortem Released in Latest Files.” BBC News, BBC, 4 Feb. 2026, www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm2y33q8l1qo
    Sisak, Michael R., and David B. Caruso. “At Least 16 Files Disappear from DOJ Site for Epstein Documents, Including Trump Photo.” PBS, Public Broadcasting Service, 20 Dec. 2025, www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/at-least-16-files-disappear-from-doj-site-for-epstein-documents-including-trump-photo
    For a list of additional resources and related non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

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What happens after the experiences of true crime survivors have been shared with the world? Does the media truly capture all it entails to survive such tragedy in the public eye? What comes after the convictions are in, the cameras stop rolling, and the court of public opinion has spoken? Can sharing our stories lead to justice, and is there ever really justice? These questions and many more are discussed on the new true crime docuseries podcast brought to you by Broken Cycle Media. What Came Next is co-created and produced by Something Was Wrong’s Tiffany Reese and host, award-winning writer, victim advocate and true crime survivor Amy B. Chesler. On What Came Next, you’ll hear firsthand accounts from those impacted, with behind the scenes insights about what came next for survivors after their stories were shared with the world, and how the media impacts crime victims and their loved ones.
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