Warfare of Art & Law Podcast

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multidisciplinary artist/visual journalist/filmmaker/education worker Bayeté Ross Smith
Show Notes:
2:00 Bayeté Ross Smith’s background, work and collaboration
7:00 relevance of colonialism in transnational issues 
9:50 collective brain trust/collective culture
14:30 employing technology with storytelling
20:30 creatives’ protection of their metadata
24:40 “art” and “data” as information 
27:50 “human authorship” and copyright 
34:25 bias proliferation with AI
39:40 power of art and media to raise awareness 
44:50 “restorative justice” to mitigate and deter harm so individuals can flourish
54:00 current and future projects, including Got the Power Boomboxes: Sugar Cane and Cotton, Hip Hop 50 Boombox, video game project and collaboration with legal community
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Please visit Steven Gambardella's site here to learn more. 
Show Notes:
1:15 background in the arts
4:00 Dutch philosopher Spinoza’s parallels with Hellenistic philosophies
5:20 Gambardella’s Become As You Are
7:30 “Stoic Kitsch” blog post 
9:00 individual agency and collective action
11:00 crisis of agency
11:20 emergence of stoicism
14:00 four-fold root of virtue
20:10 four facets of autonomy, perspective, objectivity and control and their relation to the four virtues of wisdom, moderation, justice and courage/fearlessness
21:25 Steven's blog 
21:45 Stoic view of justice relates to ignorance
26:00 moralism
27:00 Seneca, tutor and advisor to Roman emperor Nero
32:00 applying ancient Stoic ideas in current day
35:35 Stoicism and Philosophy Reading Group 
38:30 summary of Stoicism: Virtue is the only good; and you have full control over the domain of your soul/your “inner citadel”
40:20 Stoicism at a crossroads 
43:45 his hope to contribute to a revolution of the soul that encourages a view of the world that is more holistic and spiritual
45:40 Question from Susanne van der Meer about the paradox in Stoicism about the responsibility of agency versus a Stoic view of incarceration 
55:00 Stoic view of fear and desire
1:00:00 Comments from Emily Gould
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To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at [email protected].

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IP attorney Massimo Sterpi
Massimo Sterpi photo by Eolo Perfido 
Show Notes:
1:30 Sterpi’s work with emerging tech
2:30 shift in use of emerging tech/arts issues
3:55 Brazilian artist Eduardo Kac's transgenic work
4:30 blockchain / NFT as a testing area
5:10 generative AI and copyright
6:20 copyrighted works as training data 
12:25 11 Nov 2025 judgment by Munich Regional Court in GEMA v. OpenAI (Case No. 42 O 14139/24)
14:20 fair use in the US
17:05 copyright of outputs
23:55 "A Single Piece of American Cheese"
26:00 Gema decision’s impact on OpenAI’s business model
29:00 UK decision in Getty v. Stability AI
32:30 harmonisation 
34:20 collective licensing as a solution for AI training
36:20 view of justice/injustice with emerging tech in the arts
38:40 cultural impact of emerging tech
42:00 Christie’s auction of "Portrait of Edmond de Belamy"
43:40 2024 Venice Biennale - The Conference on Art and AI’s “The Neo-Synthetic: A Dialogue on Art, A.I., and Emergent Aesthetics”
44:30 expanding area regarding the roles involved in outputs
46:40 authenticity becoming enigmatic
47:00 attempts to create digital scarcity
47:55 different standards of creativity 
48:30 neighboring rights for AI
50:00 Italy’s protection of “simple photographs” versus “photographic works”
50:40 UK’s Section 9(3) copyright of outputs fictionally attributed to human involved
52:40 Agentic AI  
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To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at [email protected].

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Link here to learn more about Marina Heintze.
Show Notes:
1:00 Heintze’s background in the arts
2:30 sculptures of Heintze's father
3:30 Heintze’s use of materials
5:30 current events addressed in Heintze’s work
6:20 Politics series – gerrymandering
7:25 Bullet proof vests – assassinations and deviseness 
7:45 Holocaust addressed in her work like “Gentian Violet Violence”
8:30 "Yitler” and “Dog Whistle” pieces
9:50 Heintze’s family research that led her to work with bone planters
11:20 archival research used in her work
13:35 "The eyes are the windows to the neshama/soul"  
15:20 Lure series regarding nefarious organizations 
19:50 how/whether her works address justice/injustice
21:50 work related to B2 bombers
22:50 Tunnel Talk / Vision series
27:25 feedback on Tunnel Talk / Vision series
31:40 Banksy image removed from Royal Courts of Justice 
34:15 Holocaust denial and free speech
36:40 Alan Robertshaw – importance of work on the Holocaust
38:45 David Irving v Penguin Books and Deborah Lipstadt – 1996 UK Judgment 
42:20 facts of genocide/terrorist acts 
48:10 camouflage IP
50:30 design of Arab nation flags
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Photographer credit for Anja Neubauer: self-portrait created with an AI tool.
Show Notes:
2:30 Prof. Tim McFarlin’s focus on copyright and authorship
3:30 Dr. Caterina Moruzzi’s philosophical/design perspective / focus on authenticity
5:00 Dr. Anja Neubauer's focus on global AI/copyright framework
5:50 Artist Lisa Lebofsky’s perspective on AI as a nomadic painter
8:45 “Authenticity Unmasked”–looking at the artistic process not the product
9:55 “Authenticity Unmasked” insight-centrality of human perspective
12:00 Neubauer–redefinition of terms like originality in light of emerging tech
13:30 Getty v. Stability finding  outputs are not copies so not infringements
14:55 McFarland–genAI’s scale and redefining understanding of terms
17:05 US state and federal laws 
19:00 need for unified global protection
19:50 Alan Robershaw – UK Getty decision’s technical focus on the process 
21:40 Defining originality 
22:10 Getty opinion at 601 v. AI models are memorizing/making copies 
24:00 Robertshaw - one step away from judicial definition of consciousness
24:40 McFarland – scale is the concern
25:35 Lebofsky – how prior claims of infringement fit into AI/appropriation of artists’ works
26:20 McFarland – ‘substantially similar’ takings are prima facie infringement subject to fair use defense
27:10 consideration of outputs flooding the market harm 
29:25 Lebofsky – use of AI through tools like AI Charm Lab app 
31:00 Lebofsky’s view of threats to her style and her language 
32:45 human requirement for ‘authorship’ and consumer trends
35:55 Moruzzi – human effort to value the process
37:15 Process visible in generative AI circa 2015 v. current genAI’s less visibility and thus less authenticity
38:30 Anthroprocentric – human need for authorship
40:20 Robershaw - Monkey-selfie case; animal versus machine personhood 
43:15 McFarland – Arkansas statute on AI
44:40 Gould – UK Section 9(3) - limited copyright for output in person who organized the output
45:00 Neubauer – issue of term “equipment” for tools 
46:50 Gould – current copyright legislation is not fit for purpose
48:35 Distinction between camera use and AI model training
49:05 Copyright Criminals documentary regarding music sampling 
50:00 Sampling case involving Kraftwerk 
51:35 Moruzzi – response to consultations
53:00 McFarland – extent of law v. parallel tracks to copyright or other alternatives to preserve and protect human creativity
54:00 Stefania Salles Bruins–solutions outside the law
54:40 Copyright not fit for purpose 
55:20 Neubauer - Shift in definition of artwork
55:45 Lebofsky – how to establish boundaries
57:25 Robertshaw re: Leb
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To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at [email protected].

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© Stephanie Drawdy [2025]