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The Outside Context

Jannah Patchay & Elise Soucie Watts
The Outside Context
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  • The Outside Context

    The New Black Swans: Preparing for the Unexpected in the Age of AI

    2026/07/15 | 52 mins.
    In this conversation, Jannah Patchay and Simran Singh discuss the evolving landscape of AI regulation, focusing on the risks, governance frameworks and challenges posed by accountability and tech sovereignty. Simran shares her journey into the field of AI and regulation, highlighting the importance of understanding AI-related risks, including black swan events and the complexities of accountability in AI systems. They explore the implications of concentration risks in technology and the need for international cooperation to address regulatory fragmentation. The discussion culminates in a vision for future governance frameworks that prioritise ethical considerations and user-centered design.
    Takeaways
    Simran's journey into AI regulation began at the UK Financial Conduct Authority  in 2020.
    AI risks are complex and often analysed locally, but they materialise systemically.
    Policymakers should consider fragmentation as a significant risk in AI governance.
    Black swan events in AI can lead to catastrophic consequences, if not addressed.
    AI can be a tool for detecting and managing risks effectively.
    Accountability in AI is shifting from prediction to preparation for failures.
    Sovereignty in AI should not lead to isolation but rather to shared insights.
    Regulatory frameworks must evolve to address the complexities of AI.
    User-centered design is crucial in AI governance to ensure ethical outcomes.
    No governance framework will be perfect from the start; it must adapt over time.
    Chapters
    00:00 - Journey into AI and Regulation
    05:08 - Understanding AI Risks and Governance
    10:00 - Black Swan Events and Regulatory Challenges
    15:13 - Accountability in AI Systems
    19:51 - Tech Sovereignty and Concentration Risks
    25:10 - Regulatory Fragmentation and International Cooperation
    29:49 - Future Governance Frameworks for AI
    Further Resources:
    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2026/jun/18/can-ecosystems-malfunction
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Future-Humanity-Terraforming-Interstellar-Immortality/dp/0241304849
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Seeds-Time-J-Wyndham/dp/B000GRK03E
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    © 2024 The Outside Context. All rights reserved.
  • The Outside Context

    The Long Equation: Tech, Trust & Solving for Financial Inclusion

    2026/04/29 | 47 mins.
    In Episode 16 of The Outside Context, Kenneth Kou, Head of Venture Lab at Mercy Corps Ventures shares his journey from mathematics to impact investing, exploring how financial inclusion, blockchain technology, and innovative solutions can build a more inclusive and resilient global economy. Jannah Patchay and Elise Soucie Watts ask Ken all about the challenges of financial exclusion, the potential of crypto for good, and the future of societal development.
    Key Takeaways
    Ken Kou's impact journey from mathematics to social finance
    The role of crypto and blockchain in financial inclusion
    Challenges and opportunities in emerging markets' financial systems
    Chapters
    01:07 - Ken Kou's Impact-Oriented Career Path
    02:02 - The Thread of Financial Inclusion
    03:38 - Mercy Corps Ventures and Humanitarian Investment
    05:11 - Venture Capital in Humanitarian and Emerging Markets
    08:14 - Persisting Challenges of Financial Exclusion
    10:00 - Technical vs Policy Failures in Financial Inclusion
    12:10 - Economic Barriers to Private Sector Investment
    15:13 - Crypto's Role in Financial Inclusion and Policy
    16:51 - Stablecoins and Cross-Border Transfers
    19:25 - Cryptocurrency's Potential in Humanitarian Aid and Trade Finance
    21:54 - Crypto for Good Fund and Pilot Programs
    23:42 - Learnings from Crypto Pilot Projects
    28:13 - Trust and Adoption Challenges in Financial Tech
    29:30 - Crypto and Climate Resilience Applications
    31:25 - Societal Development and Education in Tech Adoption
    33:14 - Long-term Impact of Technology on Humanity
    35:27 - The Vision of an Inclusive Society
    36:37 - Future of Open Borders and Global Mobility
     
    Resources
    Mercy Corps Ventures

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  • The Outside Context

    The Sixth Domain: Tech, Power, and the New Geopolitics

    2026/04/08 | 50 mins.
    In episode 15 of The Outside Context, co-hosts Jannah Patchay and Elise Soucie Watts welcome Melanie Garson, an Associate Professor in International Security & Conflict Resolution at UCL as well as the Founder of GeopolitIQ, to discuss the intersection of technology and geopolitics. They explore the evolving landscape of tech geopolitics, the challenges of digital sovereignty, and the implications of cyber resilience in modern defence. The conversation dives into the future of warfare, the role of tech companies as geopolitical actors, and the importance of fostering resilience in individuals as we navigate an uncertain technological future.

    Key Takeaways
    Tech and geopolitics are increasingly intertwined, with technology shaping global power dynamics.
    Digital sovereignty poses significant challenges in a globalised world.
    Cybersecurity requires collaboration and information sharing among nations.
    The rise of AI and autonomous systems is transforming the defence landscape.
    Countries must prioritise their digital infrastructure to ensure national security.
    Tech companies are gaining power and influence in international relations.
    The future of warfare includes information warfare and cyber-attacks.
    Building resilience in individuals is crucial for navigating technological advancements.
    Optimism exists for the future IF we manage technology responsibly.
     
    Chapters
    00:00 - Welcoming Melanie Garson
    04:01 -Understanding Tech Geopolitics
    10:46 - Digital Sovereignty and its Challenges
    17:41 - The Evolving Cyber Landscape
    22:30 - The Future of Warfare - and Information Warfare
    28:45 - Tech Powers and Geopolitical Dynamics
    35.12 - Optimism for the Future of Technology

    Connect with Us:
    Follow The Outside Context on Spotify, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts
    Follow Elise Soucie Watts and Jannah Patchay for more insights into the future of technology, civilisation & digital finance
    Message us and tell us what you think of this episode, or share your ideas for future episodes - we’d love to hear from you!
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    © 2024 The Outside Context. All rights reserved.
  • The Outside Context

    The New Invisible Hand: Machine Learning, Human Earning

    2025/11/20 | 34 mins.
    In Episode 14 of The Outside Context Elliot Hentov, chief macro policy strategist at State Street Investment Management, discusses the intersection of AI and macroeconomics. He explores the current state of AI's impact on productivity, investment trends, and the implications for inflation and economic growth. The conversation also shifts into the geopolitical competition surrounding AI dominance, particularly between the US and China, and concludes with reflections on future challenges and opportunities presented by AI.
     
    Key Takeaways:
    The impact of AI on productivity is still being assessed.
    Investment in AI has surged significantly in recent years.
    AI has the potential to be deflationary by lowering costs.
    The geopolitical race for AI dominance is ongoing and complex.
    Countries that innovate in AI will likely benefit economically.
    The labour market is experiencing mixed effects from AI adoption.
    Increased longevity due to AI advancements poses challenges for society.
    The future of AI investment may lead to both successes and failures.

    Chapters:
    00:00 - Introduction to AI and Macro Economics
    03:11 - The Current State of AI and Productivity
    05:44 - Sectoral Impacts of AI on Employment
    08:51 - Investment Trends in AI
    12:04 - Macroeconomic Implications of AI Investment
    14:53 - Geopolitical Competition in AI
    17:52 - Future Challenges and Opportunities with AI

    Connect with Us:
    Follow The Outside Context on Spotify, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts
    Follow Elise Soucie Watts and Jannah Patchay for more insights into the future of technology, civilisation & digital finance
    Message us and tell us what you think of this episode, or share your ideas for future episodes - we’d love to hear from you!
    Sponsored by Unblocked & Markets Evolution
    © 2024 The Outside Context. All rights reserved.
  • The Outside Context

    Back to the Future: Notes on an Alien Earth

    2025/10/30 | 48 mins.
    In episode 13 of The Outside Context, Elise and Jannah reflect on their year of podcasting, discussing their experiences and the themes explored in previous episodes. They discuss the TV series 'Alien: Earth', examining it as a social commentary on technology, power and societal structures. The conversation then shifts to the implications of technological advancements, the ethical considerations surrounding them and the potential for inequality. They conclude by identifying AI as a significant ‘outside context’ problem facing civilisation today, while emphasising the importance of critical engagement with technology and its impact on society.

    Key Takeaways:
    In this episode the podcast celebrates a year of exploration and learning about new technologies and civilisation! Jannah & Elise also explore how:
    'Alien Earth' serves as a lens to discuss societal issues.
    Technology can empower but also control individuals.
    The commodification of life raises ethical concerns. 
    Education must adapt to prepare future generations for tech-driven jobs.
    Misinformation is a significant challenge in today's society.
    AI poses both opportunities and risks for the future.
    Sustainability and social equity must align with technological progress.
    Critical thinking is essential in an information-rich world; and 
    Engagement with diverse perspectives enriches the conversation.

    Chapters:
    00:00 - Welcome Back and Reflections on the Past Year
    01:42 - Exploring 'Alien: Earth' and its key themes
    12:19 - Technology, Power, and Control
    18:28 - Who Benefits from Technological Advancements?
    27:18 - Future Visions and Ethical Considerations
    43:54 - Identifying the Biggest Outside Context Problem

    Connect with Us:
    Follow The Outside Context on Spotify, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts
    Follow Elise Soucie Watts and Jannah Patchay for more insights into the future of technology, civilisation & digital finance
    Message us and tell us what you think of this episode, or share your ideas for future episodes - we’d love to hear from you!
    Message us and tell us what you think of this episode, or share your ideas for future episodes - we’d love to hear from you!
    Sponsored by Unblocked & Markets Evolution
    © 2024 The Outside Context. All rights reserved.
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About The Outside Context
"An Outside Context Problem was the sort of thing most civilizations encountered just once, and which they tended to encounter rather in the same way a sentence encountered a full stop." — Iain M. Banks, Excession. This podcast discusses challenges that fall into the outside context with the innovators and visionaries who are the forefront of technological change. It considers the big picture of technology, and why this matters for the future of human civilisation.
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