The MxU Podcast

In this episode, Spencer and Dylan are joined by Jeff Sandstrom for a follow-up to "Can You Be Too Young for Ministry?" — but flipped. When is it time for older worship and tech leaders to step aside? Or is that even the right question? Jeff brings decades of perspective from working alongside Chris Tomlin, Steven Curtis Chapman, and others, and the conversation gets honest fast. We dig into why churches deplatform people too soon based on age, the difference between someone aging out and someone refusing to stay coachable, why the church's "if it ain't broke" attitude toward worship and production lets segregation between ministries grow, and Jeff's own honest admission about the tech he resisted learning. We also cover why "closed fists" disqualify you faster than any number on a birthday cake, the real reason a lot of older leaders are leaving ministry (hint: it's not age — it's burnout, frustration, and the friend who told them they could make $200k working 15 hours a week), and what it actually takes to keep getting better in your craft instead of coasting on what used to work.

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This week, we're tackling the conversation everyone in church tech is dancing around — what happens when AI starts running Sunday morning. Spencer and Dillan dig into where AI actually fits in worship and production ministry, why the under-resourced church might win this era, and the real cost of replacing volunteer roles with automation. 
It's not a hot take or a doom prediction — it's an honest look at what's coming and how to think about it without fear or hype.
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This week, a text exchange between a pastor and a livestream provider went public — and the church production community lit up. We walk through what happened, why it's bigger than one bad situation, and what it reveals about how we treat people in this industry.
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Dillan and Spencer get honest about church hiring practices — why churches often fill positions with low-risk, low-talent people instead of investing in the pros who could actually raise the bar.
In this episode:
⛪ Is the church full of incompetent people? — the loaded question nobody wants to answer
💰 Low-risk vs. high-risk hires — why churches default to "Kelvin" over the $120K pro
🎚️ Over-investing in gear, under-investing in people — the pillar MxU won't stop preaching
🙅 Sons & daughters of the house — when personal relationships make firing impossible
🔥 "Let's fire some people" — what if being let go was actually a sign of a healthy culture?
✅ Why great volunteer teams beat mediocre paid staff every time
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Is your church pulling out all the stops for Easter... only to go back to normal the very next week? Dillan and Spencer get honest about the Easter "Super Bowl Sunday" mentality — and whether treating one Sunday as the big event is actually doing more harm than good.
In this episode:
⛪ Easter as "Super Bowl Sunday" — should every weekend get that energy?
👔 Why church stage wardrobes are becoming a distraction (and what it communicates)
🎻 String quartets, guest worship leaders & freelancers on big weekends — is it clickbait?
🙏 The power of praying over seats — why not every weekend?
✅ What to carry from Easter into EVERY Sunday going forward
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