Christian Parent, Crazy World

Wrestling with God is a mark of spiritual maturity, not weakness. In a world where suffering is inevitable, learning how to bring our honest questions, pain, and even complaints to God is essential for every Christian parent—and every believer.
In this powerful episode of Christian Parent Crazy World, Catherine is joined by her closest friends, Susan Frost, a certified trauma coach, and Dr. Erin Barry , a licensed clinical counselor, for a raw and practical conversation about spiritual wrestling in seasons of suffering.
Building on last week’s discussion of whether it’s “okay” to wrestle with God (spoiler: Scripture says it is), the episode dives into four anchors that help Christians navigate pain and doubt while drawing closer to God—even when His ways don’t make sense.
Key Anchors Explored:
Lean Into God’s Family: Find your inner circle—trusted companions who can sit with your pain without judgment or quick fixes. Not everyone is equipped to carry your emotional burdens, so pray for those who can and remember the value of community.

Lean Into God’s Character: The enemy wants us to doubt God’s goodness and love. Catherine, Susan Frost, and Dr. Erin Barry share real-life stories where trusting God’s justice, mercy, and faithfulness became a lifeline in grief and unanswered questions.

Lean Into God’s Word: When emotions run high and God feels distant, Scripture is a lifeline. The hosts unpack Psalm 44, marveling at how this ancient lament gives believers permission to be brutally honest with God—and models how to ground ourselves again in His faithfulness.

Lean Into Lament: God can handle our raw truth. One third of the Psalms are laments, and even Jesus lamented in Gethsemane. Honest lament—expressing grief and pain to God, and ending with a declaration of trust—is a biblical pattern, not a spiritual failure.

Why This Matters:
The trio highlights how unresolved pain and disappointment often drive people away from faith. Yet suffering, approached biblically, can produce perseverance, deeper faith, and even “smelt meaning” from the smallest moments of hardship. Whether the loss is crushing or the pain seems insignificant, every tear matters to God.
Practical Takeaways:
Don’t minimize your suffering, big or small—bring it to God and safe community.

Journal your journey, as the psalmists did, recording both raw complaints and moments of remembrance.

Let God’s word give structure and permission to your lament.

Remember: God’s shoulders are broad enough for your hardest questions. He invites you to wrestle—with Him, not away from Him.

Guest Bios:
Dr. Erin Barry holds a doctorate in Christian counseling, is a licensed clinical counselor, and daily helps people walk through their deepest valleys.

Susan Frost is a certified trauma coach, couples counselor, in-home minister, and relentless advocate for the mercy and compassion of God.

If you’re enduring a time of suffering—or walking alongside someone who is—this episode offers a biblical, hope-filled roadmap for navigating pain, doubt, and disappointment with honesty and faith.
EPISODE LINKS
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Have you ever felt like you had to “just accept” whatever life throws your way—even while your heart was breaking inside? Maybe someone told you it’s unfaithful to question God, or maybe you’ve wondered if it’s even allowed to be honest about your hurt and confusion. Here’s the truth: almost every believer will face moments when trusting God feels like a wrestling match.
This week on CHRISTIAN PARENT/CRAZY WORLD, we’re tackling the question no one wants to say out loud, but secretly we all wrestle with:
Is it wrong to wrestle with God—or is it where the deepest faith is forged?
In a culture that prizes tidy answers and smooth faith, Christian parents are invited into the messier reality: honest struggle with God may be the most faithful response to life’s hardest moments.
For this conversation, host Catherine welcomes her two closest friends—licensed Christian counselor Dr. Erin Barry and certified trauma coach Susan Frost—for a raw, unscripted conversation about wrestling with God through pain, disappointment, and unanswered prayers. Drawing from years of theological dialog, personal loss, and journeys through suffering, they invite listeners to pull up a chair and experience what true biblical wrestling looks like in real life.
Meet the Guests
Dr. Erin Barry is a licensed clinical Christian counselor with decades of experience walking with individuals and families through seasons of pain, loss, and transformation. Together with her husband, she has devoted her life to ministry in marriage, worship, and family discipleship.

Susan Frost is a certified trauma-informed life coach, deeply involved in hands-on ministry and mentoring with her husband. She’s helped individuals and couples process grief, trauma, and confusing seasons through godly wisdom—and is a trusted friend in the trenches.

Highlights from This Episode
The Permission to Wrestle:
Catherine opens up about the tension many Christians feel—faith says “trust God’s sovereignty,” but scripture shows us heroes who bring anguish, confusion, and raw complaints to God (00:41).

Biblical foundation: Jacob literally wrestles with God and is changed forever, marked both by his limp and by a deeper relationship (16:46, 18:12).


Pain Is Not a Faith Failure:
Erin unpacks how genuine suffering alters us—those who have wrestled with God often walk with humility, vulnerability, and new spiritual authority (18:12).

Susan challenges the myth that “God’s going to do what He wants, no matter what.” Instead, God invites us into hard questions, purposeful struggle, and partnership in pursuit of His blessings (21:11).


What Real Support Looks Like:
The trio addresses how to choose safe “inner circle” people—and why it’s vital to avoid those who try to fix, minimize, or judge faith in the midst of pain.

Erin notes different people offer distinct support—some handle logistics, others shoulder emotional weight. Both matter (32:30).

Why most of us want to “tidy up” suffering, even for others—and why letting friends sit in the pain is a profound act of love (36:33).


When the Small Things Break Us:
Catherine shares a vulnerable story: after seasons spent praying for healing and witnessing loss, it was a friend’s lost cats—the seemingly “small” tragedy—that finally broke her down (41:24).

The group examines why sometimes, it’s the little heartbreaks that trigger our deepest questions about God’s goodness and presence with our children (44:50).


Wrestling vs. Losing Hope:
Erin distinguishes healthy wrestling (honest emotion, always turning back to God) from true despair (turning away, hardening the heart, or numbness through addiction) (59:00).

Susan gives voice to the ongoing question every Christian parent faces: “Is God really good to my kids?”—and why we become “prisoners of hope” (01:03:28).


A Standout Quote
“I don’t think that makes you a bad believer. I think that makes you an honest believer. The goal isn’t to wrestle away from God. It’s to wrestle our way toward Him.” — Catherine (05:43)
Key Takeaway
Wrestling with God is not a sign of weak faith but of honest, living faith. The biblical story—and the journeys of today’s faithful—show that lamenting, questioning, and even being angry with God can actually draw us closer to Him, giving us a deeper walk, lasting humility, and eventual hope. Sitting with our questions and pain—especially in the company of safe, truth-speaking friends—can transform our suffering into spiritual growth and resilience for our children to witness.
Why This Matters
In a world that wants quick answers and “perfect” Christianity, our kids (and we ourselves) need permission to bring our real struggles to God. Modeling honest faith—especially through disappointment—teaches the next generation that God is big enough for all our questions, aches, and doubts. Wrestling is not failure; it’s formation.
For Christian parents: When your children hit confusing pain or watch you walk through it, what do they see? Can you show them a faith that survives real wrestling—and ultimately emerges with deeper hope?
Episode Links
inseparableLives.com – More about Dr. Erin Barry and her ministry.

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Catherine’s Free Parenting Resources

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Can You Really Teach Your Kids to Study the Bible—If You Don’t Feel Confident Yourself? The “Step by Step” Method to a Lifetime of Scripture Confidence
For generations, Christian parents have been told to center their homes and hearts on God’s Word, yet few have ever been taught how to truly study it—let alone guide their children to do the same. If you’ve ever felt insecure, intimidated, or unqualified when opening your Bible, this episode is for you.
Join host Catherine and special guest Angie Baughman, founder of Steady On Ministries and developer of the Step by Step Bible Study Method, as they offer an empowering, conversation-driven crash course on making Bible study accessible, life-giving, and transformational for the whole family—from toddlers to teens and beyond.
Meet the Guest: Angie Baughman
Angie Baughman is a lifelong Bible teacher and the founder of Steady On Ministries, an organization passionate about rooting believers—especially parents—in the practical skills needed to stay anchored in God’s Word.

With over 28 years of ministry, a powerful personal testimony, and tools used by everyone from school children to inmates, Angie created the Step by Step Bible Study Method to break down barriers and open Scripture to all experience levels.

Highlights from This Episode
Why So Many Christians Feel Insecure About Bible Study
Angie and Catherine discuss the lack of mentorship in church culture, the intimidation factor of unfamiliar terms, and the universal fear of “looking stupid,” even among lifelong believers 07:02.

The Power of Slowing Down
Through vulnerable stories, the hosts reveal how shame and insecurity can keep women (and men) silent—and how authentic community and gentle tools provide an accessible on-ramp for everyone, including the “Tracys” in our Bible studies 08:47.

A Practical Walkthrough—Step by Step
Angie unveils her 5-step study method, combining word study, translation comparison, biblical context, enemy-lie discernment, and personal application—transforming even a single verse into spiritual nourishment lasting all day 17:54.

Real-Life Application
In a powerful demonstration, Catherine shares how a familiar verse (Psalm 40:2) deepened through the method, revealing unexpected layers (did you know “rock” can mean “fortress”?) and helping her battle anxiety and pray more purposefully for her children 29:38.

Equipping the Next Generation
Detailed guidance on using the method with kids of all ages, from letting them pick words to discovering the lies of the enemy—a perfect fit for family devotions, homeschool routines, or real-life spiritual conversations 46:15.

Accessible Resources for All
Details on free step-by-step kits, family tools, and online communities so that every parent—no matter their background—can confidently open God’s Word and invite their children into the adventure.

Standout Quote
“Pastors and Bible teachers can share what the Holy Spirit said to them. But they cannot tell us what the Holy Spirit says to us when we study. That’s why it’s so important for us to have the skills to go into the Word on our own.” — Angie
Key Takeaway
No matter your past, education, or current insecurity, you can confidently unlock the treasures of Scripture—for yourself and your children. It doesn’t require expertise—just willingness, a doable method, and the expectation that the Holy Spirit will meet you—and your family—right where you are.
Why This Matters
In a culture obsessed with spiritual shortcuts and superficial understanding, Christian parents face a vital task: not just filling minds with Bible facts, but modeling for their families how to slow down, ask questions, and hear directly from God’s Word. The “Step by Step” approach isn’t just another study method—it’s an invitation into deeper relationship, radical honesty, and intergenerational faith that flourishes through every season.
Episode Links
Steady On Ministries & Free Bible Study Starter Kit: livesteadyon.com

Angie Baughman’s Step by Step Family Kit & more: Steady On Ministries (see “Free Resources” tab)

Catherine’s Parenting Resources: https://catherinesegars.com/resources
Call to Action
Christian parents, what’s keeping you from digging into God’s Word alongside your kids? What might change—for you and your children—if you stepped onto the “on ramp” and discovered the richness of Scripture one word at a time?
Share your story or your next step with us using #ChristianParentCrazyWorld, and consider inviting your children to join you in the adventure of discovering God’s Word—step by step.
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What if your child’s screen time could help them meet Jesus, shape their character, and spark conversations that last a lifetime?
In a culture overflowing with children’s entertainment, how can Christian parents find programming that does more than distract or “babysit”? In this compelling episode of Christian Parent/Crazy World, Catherine sits down with Jess Wolstenholm, Vice President of Education & Publishing at Minno and editor of the award-winning Laugh and Grow Bible for Kids. With over 25 years of children’s ministry leadership and deep roots in curriculum development, Jess Wolstenholm brings powerful insights into how media can nourish—not just occupy—our children’s souls.
What You’ll Discover in This Episode:
A Better Media Diet for Kids
Why “just clean” isn’t enough. Catherine and Jess break down the difference between spiritually “nutritious” content and empty-calorie screen time. They challenge parents to curate what their children watch, seeking stories that reinforce godly character and biblical truth rather than just avoid harm.

Faith Formation through Storytelling
Discover how a child’s earliest glimpses of God shape their faith journey, and why representing God’s character—holy, loving, nurturing, and present—is essential from the very start. Jess Wolstenholm shares how programming choices directly impact a child’s understanding of God, values, and themselves.

Representation Matters—Even for Young Faith
“There’s not enough representation of faith on screen for kids.” Hear how Minno creates and curates media—like the innovative Young David shorts—that let children see relatable, not cheesy, portrayals of Christian life. Find out why seeing faith lived out on screen can be just as important as hearing Bible stories.

Old Treasures, New Purpose
Relive childhood favorites like VeggieTales and discover impactful series like Torchlighters: Heroes of the Faith and Liberty’s Kids—all available on Minno. Whether it's vintage animation or state-of-the-art storytelling, these programs offer rich entry points for conversations about faith, history, and courage.

Tools for Intentional Parenting
Learn how to turn media moments into meaningful faith conversations. From five-minute family devotionals to printable discussion guides and screen-free audio options, Jess Wolstenholm shares practical ways for parents to build on what their children watch—even when life gets busy.

“We want kids to get to know the character of God—not just as a rule-keeper, but as a creator who delights in them.” – Jess Wolstenholm
What Sets Minno Apart
Find out how Minno’s holistic, on-screen/off-screen approach (think: devotionals, conversation guides, coloring pages, and audio stories) is designed to support busy Christian parents and equip the next generation for a resilient, relational faith.

A Hopeful Vision for Gen Alpha
Jess Wolstenholm shares her dream for the next generation: that children would “know Jesus and understand His word,” not through shame or rule-keeping, but with a healthy, balanced grasp of gospel truth and the goodness of God.

Notable Moments:
The surprising connection between the word “Minno” and abiding in Christ.

How “vintage” content like Torchlighters and Liberty’s Kids help children step outside the “first world bubble” and see global faith and history.

Simple questions parents can ask after screen time to spark deep, everyday discipleship.

Why This Matters:
Your child’s view of God, their character, and their choices are being shaped by what fills their hearts and minds each day. What if the shows they watch could help you disciple them, not just distract them?
Modern Application:
Let’s intentionally leverage media as a springboard for spiritual formation. Whether you find a new family devotional routine or simply ask one more question at the dinner table, these conversations could echo for years.
About the Guest:
Jess Wolstenholm is Vice President of Education & Publishing at Minno, editor and executive producer of the Laugh and Grow Bible for Kids, and a seasoned leader in children’s ministry and publishing. She is passionate about equipping Christian families to nurture healthy, lifelong faith.
Ready to turn your child’s screen time into soul time? What steps can you take this week to make sure the shows your kids watch are helping them experience Jesus—every single day? Dive into this episode and discover resources that could transform your family’s faith journey.
Episode Links & Resources
Minno Streaming Platform (Try Free!)

Featured Series: Laugh and Grow Bible for Kids, Torchlighters: Heroes of the Faith, Young David

Bonus: Free 7-day trial and downloadable devotionals for families

Catherine Segars Resources
Listen, reflect, and join the conversation—because Christian parenting may be crazy, but you don’t have to do it alone.
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What if the core purpose of your parenting isn’t what you’ve always believed? In a world obsessed with outcomes and control, Christian parents are challenged to embrace a radical shift: letting go of ownership and stepping into the liberating role of an ambassador for Christ in their children’s lives.
In this transformative episode of Christian Parent/Crazy World, host Catherine welcomes Candace Nassar, founder and executive director of MomQ, a mentor-led discipleship ministry designed to equip Christian mothers with biblical wisdom for every season. Drawing from her own journey from a secular background to devoted Christ-follower, Candace Nassar offers authentic insight and practical encouragement, inviting parents to rethink how—and why—they parent.
What You’ll Discover in This Episode:
Redefining the Mission: Purposeful Parenting
Why it’s easy to skip over the “why” of parenting and focus on performance or success (00:22)

The critical distinction between “ownership parenting” and “ambassador parenting”—and how this shift can transform your family (02:06, 25:56)

A Testimony of Transformation
Candace Nassar’s powerful story: from a broken home and secular ambitions to surrendering everything for Christ and discovering her true identity as a mother (04:49, 13:04)

The generational impact when one mother bravely says “yes” to God

Cultural Pressure & Parental Stress—Setting a New Foundation
Why our culture pushes parents to control, manage, and perform—and how this leads to overwhelming stress, anxiety, and fear (19:36)

How social media and comparison culture fuel burnout and feelings of inadequacy

Trust vs. Control: Finding Freedom
“Control is what I tend to when I’m struggling to trust.” How to spot control creeping into your parenting, even in well-intentioned moments (29:41)

Practical red flags: When anxiety spikes, it may be a sign you’re crossing the line into ownership (39:01)

Ambassador Parenting: The Heart of Christ at Home
Candace Nassar shares how parenting as Christ’s ambassador reframes discipline, discipleship, and daily rhythms (41:32)

“Gentle firmness”: Rejecting harsh authoritarianism and passive permissiveness by modeling the compassion and boundaries of Jesus (46:45)

Infusing faith into the ordinary—dinnertime reflections, spontaneous prayers, and seeing God in daily moments (48:56)

Moving Forward: Grace and Growth
Step-by-step guidance for moms convicted by ownership parenting—beginning with honest reflection and a prayer: “Lord, search my heart. Show me where I’m trying to control, and help me trust you more.” (52:05)

Key takeaway: The ultimate goal is not to raise successful children, but kingdom-minded disciples who love and serve the Lord (55:21)

Standout Quotes:
“If we get the foundation wrong, even with the best intentions, we can end up striving for outcomes that were never ours to control.” — Catherine

“When we realize our children aren’t ours to own but to steward for God, it changes everything.” — Candace Nassar

“Control is an illusion. If we can’t trust God with our kids, parenting becomes exhausting.” — Candace Nassar

About the Guest:
Candace Nassar is the founder and executive director of MomQ and a passionate mentor to Christian moms nationwide. With a background in business and education, and extensive ministry experience, she helps mothers move from striving and self-reliance to purpose and grace-grounded parenting. Learn more about MomQ’s curriculum and resources at momq.org.
Why This Matters:
In a culture that judges parents by their children’s achievements, our faith calls moms and dads to trade anxiety and control for the freedom and fruitfulness of ambassador parenting—reflecting the heart of Christ at home.
Modern Application:
Parents, where are you tempted to “own” your children’s path, and where could you invite God’s grace to take the lead? Get candid, reflect honestly, and begin the journey from anxiety to trust today.
EPISODE LINKS:
MomQ, Biblical Wisdom for Christian Moms

MomQ Podcast (available on all major platforms)

Call to Action:
How might your relationship with your child—and with God—change if you made the daily choice to become His ambassador instead of their owner? Share your thoughts, questions, or breakthroughs with us by tagging #ChristianParentCrazyWorld on social media. Tune in, reflect, and step into this new, freeing vision of parenting today.
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