The Cinematography Podcast

• Stephen Murphy, BSC, ISC: embracing darkness in Say Nothing

  The Cinematography Podcast Episode 315: Stephen Murphy The FX and Hulu limited series Say Nothing is a historical drama that explores the harrowing period known as The Troubles in Northern Ireland, spanning four decades from the 1970s to the 1990s. The series delves into the complexities of the conflict, focusing on sisters Dolours and Marian Price and their part in the IRA. The sisters' involvement in the 1972 abduction and murder of Jean McConville, a widowed mother of ten, is a devastating narrative in the show. Her disappearance, and her family's decades-long search for answers, provides a heart-wrenching backdrop to the larger conflict. Irish cinematographer Stephen Murphy, BSC, ISC worked on the final two episodes of the series. He's earned a Best Cinematography BAFTA and IFTA nomination for his work on Say Nothing. “Say Nothing is a real story about the very real horrors of what happened in Ireland during The Troubles,” he says. “But I think in a modern context, given what's going on in the rest of the world, it has a lot to say about the idea of romanticizing rebellion and how somebody could be interested or attracted to that, and slowly over time, fully come to realize the consequences of what they're doing.” Stephen has cultivated a reputation for his masterful use of darkness in his work, a key reason he was brought on board for the series' conclusion. “A lot of the work I do is dark and it deals with darkness. I really like darkness more than I like the light probably,” he laughs. In the finale, Dolours Price finally reveals her role in Jean McConville's disappearance. To depict the events of what happened that night, the crew was on a rural stretch of dirt road and dunes alongside the ocean. As a storm approached, Stephen had to change the lighting plan, relying instead on car headlights and flashlights to illuminate the scene. “It actually worked out far better than my original plan was going to. It was more truthful, it was probably darker, but I think it worked better for the story and better for the tone and the atmosphere,” he says. When approaching emotionally resonant scenes, Stephen strives for a visual simplicity that guides the audience without distraction. “I think for me, it's a question of figuring out a way to get out of the way of the camera and not try and impose anything overly stylistic on the scene,” he says. “I love visual simplicity. And I'm trying to present the scene in a way that is helping the audience focus on what's important to the scene and not be distracted by unnecessary showmanship.” Beyond Say Nothing, Stephen Murphy also served as director of photography for two episodes of the second season of The Tourist, the Netflix dark comedy starring Jamie Dornan as an amnesiac. Find Stephen Murphy: https://www.stephen-murphy.com/ Instagram: @stephenmurphybsc See Say Nothing on FX on Hulu See The Tourist on Netflix Hear our previous interview with Stephen Murphy: https://www.camnoir.com/ep303/ Sponsored by Hot Rod Cameras: https://hotrodcameras.com/ Sponsored by Aputure: https://aputure.com/ The Cinematography Podcast website: www.camnoir.com YouTube: @TheCinematographyPodcast Facebook: @cinepod Instagram: @thecinepod Blue Sky: @thecinepod.bsky.social

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• Color, light and menace: DP Kim Ji-yong, Squid Game season 2

  As a huge fan of the original Squid Game, cinematographer Kim Ji-yong jumped at the opportunity to shape the visual language for the show's second and third seasons. Ji-yong has masterfully evolved the show's aesthetic, continuing to play with jarring camera perspectives. He uses disorienting low angles looking up and god-like high angles looking down to immerse the viewer in the drama. For him, color and light are the key to unlocking the show's central theme: the tension between childlike innocence and deadly menace. Squid Game Season 2 follows the first season's winner, Seong Gi-hun, as he seeks revenge and tries to uncover the mystery behind the games. In the first episode, Gi-hun and his friends chase a recruiter through a subway and a park, a pursuit that ends in a tense game of Russian roulette. For this pivotal scene, Ji-yong wanted a look that was both realistic and expressionistic. He bathed the game in the glow of a red neon light from a nearby window, establishing a color motif that would echo throughout the season. This powerful visual cue returns in other key episodes, most notably in a harrowing new voting scene where the players must once again decide their own fate. “When our main actor is facing a moment of choice, a moment of making a decision, I wanted to bring that red and blue light every time they faced that situation, just like earlier in the Russian roulette game,” Ji-yong explains. The sheer scale of the sets presented unique lighting challenges, particularly the massive, white-walled dorm room filled with hundreds of extras. "I tried to cut off the spill to the white walls as much as I could," Ji-yong says. "We also had stacks of beds so I could use some shadowy areas, so we had a little variety on the set." All the room's illumination came from a lighting grid above, making it feel as oppressive and controlled as the games themselves, which also served the actors. "I want them to feel as if they're actually playing this game," he notes. To capture the chaos, Ji-yong relied on an intimate two-camera setup. One camera stayed close, capturing the raw emotion on the characters' faces, while the other—often handheld—followed the action from the perspective of a frantic player. Though each episode was meticulously storyboarded and shot over 12 to 15 days, he finalized camera positions after blocking each scene, trusting his intuition to find the most impactful angles. Ji-yong embraced the vibrant, candy-colored sets, finding creative energy in the contrast between their playful hues and the brutal violence of the games. He worked closely with the production designer, running camera tests to find the perfect shade of pink that would pop on screen. While not typically a fan of modern LED RGB lights, he found them essential for this project. The results are unforgettable, especially in the strobing, kaleidoscopic lighting of the "Mingle Game" featuring a carousel. "I have never used this much color in my career,” he laughs. The Cinematography Podcast website: www.camnoir.com YouTube: @TheCinematographyPodcast Facebook: @cinepod Instagram: @thecinepod Blue Sky: @thecinepod.bsky.social

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• Luke Cormack’s unseen magic on David Blaine: Do Not Attempt

  The Cinematography Podcast Episode 314: Luke Cormack For cinematographer Luke Cormack, filming the National Geographic series David Blaine: Do Not Attempt was an exercise in capturing the raw, unscripted moments of human connection and extraordinary feats. Luke leaned into his experience as a wildlife documentarian to patiently wait for the perfect, instinctual moments to unfold. The goal was not to capture polished performances, but the raw, visceral reactions from Blaine and the people he encountered on his global journey. “David's not an actor or a host. We would have to create these 'biospheres of spontaneity.' So he can just get in there and be his most genuine self without you ever saying, 'Oh, stop, David. Can you do that again?' That just doesn't work at all,” says Luke. “You have to constantly be looking for those little pieces of magic and those pieces of magic are usually when you're setting something up or your eye isn't on the ball.” David Blaine: Do Not Attempt is not about magic, but about finding people in cultures around the world who perform real, extraordinary feats that look like magic. The series follows Blaine as he travels to nine countries, including Brazil, India, and Japan, and learns about their unique skills, lifting the veil behind those tricks. For the documentary crew, capturing this "magic" required a dedication to true verité techniques. This involved location scouting to determine optimal camera placements that would feel both intimate and unobtrusive. The producers also prepared the local performers for Blaine's arrival, allowing for natural, unscripted interactions. Luke's strategy often involved a subtle deception. He would keep the cameras rolling long after a scene appeared to have wrapped, patiently waiting for the "in-between moments" that often yielded the most candid footage. “That true verité, I feel like that's where we got all our nuggets. We'd often put everyone at ease as you actually pretend to stop filming,” he says. “When everyone thinks you've got the scene, you just keep rolling. And you kind of look away from the viewfinder a little bit, maybe relax your body language, and that's usually when he'll turn around and say something amazing.” This philosophy of patient observation required the camera crew to be constantly vigilant, nimble, and able to blend into the background. The use of lower-profile Ronin 4D cameras was key to allowing the crew to navigate large crowds without drawing attention. To elevate the visual storytelling, Luke chose high-end prime and zoom lenses. He hired special crews for high-stakes sequences, such as filming with sharks underwater in South Africa or skydiving in the Arctic Circle. The crew’s collaboration was often wordless, staying present and dedicated to capturing authentic interactions. They relied almost exclusively on natural light, repositioning themselves to find the most flattering illumination rather than directing the subjects. The unpredictable nature of Blaine's performances in public spaces also meant that the crew had to be prepared for anything. “We traveled to nine different countries and a lot of it is crowd control,” Luke explains. “Like once you blow someone's mind and they're standing there with a group of 10, it becomes a group of 50 very quickly. And then you're trying to get your shots and get in there and try and get the magic of it. But the whole time, you still have to keep your head on a swivel, have an exit strategy, realize that crowds can get dangerous really quickly, depending on where you are.” This constant state of readiness, combined with a commitment to capturing authentic, unrehearsed moments, allowed Luke and his team to document the genuine wonder, fear, and awe that defines David Blaine: Do Not Attempt. Find Luke Cormack: https://www.lukecormackfilms.com/ Instagram: luke_cormack The Cinematography Podcast website: www.camnoir.com YouTube: @TheCinematographyPodcast

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• Christophe Nuyens on crafting the world of Andor: Season 2

  The Cinematography Podcast Episode 313: Christophe Nuyens A huge admirer of the Star Wars movie Rogue One, cinematographer Christophe Nuyens, SBC embraced the opportunity to serve as director of photography for the first six episodes of Andor Season 2. Christophe focused on expanding Andor's universe, meticulously crafting distinct visual identities for each world. He leaned into naturalistic lighting and a dynamic use of color to evoke a range of moods. “This show has so many different worlds and sets and every world has a different look,” he says. “Mina-rau was sunny, Chandrila was quite shiny and chic. Then you had Ghorman, which was darker and like a town in the mountains with blue light all the time. So we had all our different sets and it was really nice to play with those things to create all those little different moods.” Christophe was committed to giving the world of Andor a tangible sense of reality. The sets were expansive, with ample room for the camera to move around and explore. Practical effects were used when possible to enhance authenticity, complemented by the strategic use of LED video wall panels for realistic backdrops, such as the depiction of rain falling outside a Coruscant apartment window. Christophe approached the lighting design as if shooting on location. In collaboration with director Ariel Kleiman, he adopted a philosophy of minimal camera movement, completing scenes with few shots and concise coverage. Subtle lighting cues, lens flares and camera moves smoothly transitioned each scene into the next. One of the most memorable sequences in Andor Season 2 is the wedding of characters Leida Mothma and Stekan Sculdun. The event is not just a lavish affair but a crucial narrative beat in Mon Mothma's (Genevieve O’Reilly) journey, underpinning a complex emotional and political storyline. Following the ceremony, guests dance together in a huge celebration, a sequence that presented a unique and enjoyable challenge for Christophe. He wanted to capture a nightclub atmosphere despite the daytime setting. “I end up with the idea of trying to tell a time-lapse story light-wise,” he explains. “In the beginning of the wedding, the sun is quite high. It's bright outside the during the wedding. The sun is going lower and lower and lower, until the end when the sun is just on the horizon peeping inside and making it super flare-y. We didn't have strobes or party lights, but it gave us something special to play with.” The intricate dance sequence, featuring numerous extras and two Steadicams weaving through the celebration to reflect Mon Mothma's disorienting experience, required a full day of filming. (For dedicated Andor fans, an extended one-hour version of this captivating dance scene is available to watch on YouTube.) Educated at film school in Brussels, Christophe knew early on that cinematography was his calling. He values continuous learning as a cinematographer. “It's important for me to keep evolving because the moment that I feel I'm doing something as a routine, then I want to do something else. I need to have the feeling that I'm learning every time and every director is different.” Find Christophe Nuyens: Instagram: @christophenuyens The Cinematography Podcast website: www.camnoir.com YouTube: @TheCinematographyPodcast Facebook: @cinepod Instagram: @thecinepod Blue Sky: @thecinepod.bsky.social

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• The Last of Us Season 2 DPs Ksenia Sereda & Catherine Goldschmidt

  The Cinematography Podcast Episode 312: Ksenia Sereda & Catherine Goldschmidt Season 2 of HBO's acclaimed series The Last of Us sees a shift not only in its narrative focus but also behind the camera, with cinematographers Ksenia Sereda and Catherine Goldschmidt, ASC, BSC, taking the visual reins. The season quickly evolves from Joel and Ellie's shared journey into a harrowing exploration of Ellie's relentless pursuit of revenge following Joel's brutal death. This quest is deeply colored by her grief and rage, yet intricately woven with a burgeoning love story between her and Dina. Ksenia, returning after her work on the celebrated first season, and Catherine, a new addition to the team, split cinematography duties. Ksenia helmed episodes 1, 3, 5, and 6, while Catherine was responsible for episodes 2, 4, and 7. The opportunity to continue collaborating with showrunners Craig Mazin and Neil Druckmann was a welcome one for Ksenia. "For season 2, we wanted to push the look forward with how the characters develop," she explains. "Not to reinvent the visual language but to think, what can we do better to help the characters and to tell the story, because it's such a character-centered show. The main focus of it is following the characters you love and joining them on this big adventure.” Ksenia developed a lookbook to maintain a holistic visual language, ensuring consistency across multiple directors and the entire crew. The video game The Last of Us was the blueprint for a distinct visual identity. It was important to preserve all the iconic visuals from the game, but unlike the video game, the television adaptation allowed for more character development and connection, with longer shots. Season 2 introduces a host of new characters, storylines, and diverse color environments. Ksenia consciously avoided overly cool tones, opting for warmer colors, particularly for Ellie and Dina, to help the audience fall in love with them as their relationship develops. This warmth is also seen in the homey settlement of Jackson, a sanctuary carved out to evoke a sense of normalcy. In contrast, when Dina and Ellie journey to Seattle, the environment becomes green and lush. Catherine Goldschmidt, ASC, BSC, stepped into this established world for Season 2. Her inaugural week plunged her directly into shooting the pivotal and harrowing Episode 2, which features Joel's death. Catherine reviewed the corresponding cutscene from the game, treating it as a form of previsualization or storyboard, and then determined how to adapt it for television. “The video game acts as a reference, and there are some scenes in the scripts that are taken from the games, and there are some scenes that don't exist and are new,” she says. “It's about serving the show first and foremost, and still paying homage to the game.” Catherine also focused on grounding the lighting in realism, finding real world motivation for light sources that would authentically be available to characters in a post-apocalyptic setting. At times, she notes, "the lighting cues were even written into the script." For Episode 2, with its intense violence, Catherine knew the crew had to prioritize the actors' performances, and respect the scenes that the actors wanted to shoot first. But most violent, brutal, and scary scenes in The Last of Us are balanced by moments of profound humanity, requiring careful attention to the characters' emotional journeys. “I remember asking Craig and Neil, how are you guys planning to tackle that extreme violence?" Catherine recalls. "Craig just said, 'Well we're always trying to counterbalance it, it should always be a light and shade scenario.’” Find Ksinia Sereda: Instagram: @ksiniasereda Find Catherine Goldschmidt: Instagram: @cgdop The Cinematography Podcast website: www.camnoir.com YouTube: @TheCinematographyPodcast Facebook: @cinepod Instagram: @thecinepod Blue Sky: @thecinepod.bsky.social

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