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The Burnouts with Phoebe & Sophia

Phoebe Gates & Sophia Kianni
The Burnouts with Phoebe & Sophia
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  • Bryan Johnson: “The Biggest Lie In Hustle Culture” - How Phones Are Quietly Aging You!
    Welcome to the episode that might change your life (or at least your bedtime routine).Bryan Johnson made bank building Braintree Venmo. Then he walked away from it all to spend $2M a year turning his body into a science experiment. Now? He says he’s the healthiest human alive, and he’s got the organ scans to prove it.Hosts Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni get deep with Bryan about biohacking, founder burnout, the dirty truth about our food system, and why optimizing your sleep might be the most rebellious thing you can do as an entrepreneur.This convo gets real: blood transfusions, lonely sleep routines, and "sugar face" real.Timestamps00:00 Can we be the first generation that doesn’t die?04:12 Selling Braintree Venmo + redefining success08:05 Spending $2M/year on health10:52 The #1 fix for burnout (it’s free)14:30 Bryan’s exact food + supplement routine17:15 Should founders ever sacrifice sleep?22:00 The science behind alcohol, caffeine, and your trash sleep26:40 Sleeping alone, no phones, and other hot takes30:45 Sunlight, seed oils & the truth about sugar face34:20 How to stay healthy without becoming obsessive🔗 FOLLOW USPhoebe GatesSophia KianniBryan Johnson🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagramTikTokLinkedin📲 Support What We’re BuildingPhoebe and Sophia aren’t just your hosts—they’re the founders of Phia, a new fashion-tech app helping shoppers find the best prices across retail and resale. Download the app, try it out, and help us grow this community from the ground up → https://www.phia.comAbout The BurnoutsThe Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond the headlines to share the real stories, lessons, and mindsets that define your 20s.Past guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and other visionaries redefining the brands—and the blueprints—of our time.Subscribe now for the insider playbook to build your dream career. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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  • How Sophia Amoruso Turned a Side Hustle Into a $350M Brand (Nasty Gal)
    Sophia Amoruso built a $350M fashion empire from her bedroom—and lost it all before rebuilding her life from the ground up.In this episode of The Burnouts, the original “Girlboss” and founder of Nasty Gal joins Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni for her most unfiltered conversation yet. From selling thrifted clothes on eBay to becoming a CEO on magazine covers, Sophia reveals how she built a cult brand that defined a generation—and what really happened when everything came crashing down.She opens up about walking away from a company she founded, navigating bankruptcy, and learning to lead with empathy instead of ego. Sophia also shares the untold lessons behind Girlboss, why she believes failure is her greatest teacher, and how she’s redefining success through her new venture fund, Trust Fund.Whether you’re building your first business, chasing creative independence, or trying to rebuild after a setback, this conversation is a raw, honest masterclass in resilience, reinvention, and freedom.Chapters00:00 – From eBay seller to $100M brand05:00 – Building Nasty Gal and first hires10:00 – Leaving eBay and going solo13:00 – Going viral before social media18:00 – Raising venture capital too soon24:00 – The downfall and lessons learned30:00 – How Girlboss was born35:00 – Starting over with Trust Fund40:00 – Life in London & redefining success46:00 – The truth about ambition and burnout🔗 FOLLOW USPhoebe GatesSophia KianniSophia Amoruso🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagramTikTokLinkedin📲 Support What We’re BuildingPhoebe and Sophia aren’t just your hosts—they’re the founders of Phia, a fashion-tech app that helps shoppers find the best prices across retail and resale. Try it out and join the movement.About The BurnoutsThe Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s most iconic founders, creators, and entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond headlines to share the real stories, lessons, and mindset shifts that define your 20s.Past guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and Tommy Hilfiger.🛎️ Subscribe for more unfiltered stories on success, failure, and everything in between. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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  • Meet The Psychology Major Who Became The Highest Paid Female On YouTube (Lilly Singh)
    Comedian, creator, actress, author, and activist Lilly Singh has built a career on breaking barriers and rewriting the rules.In this episode of The Burnouts, Lilly Singh sits down with Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni to share her journey: from growing up as the “disappointing” second daughter in an immigrant household, to becoming YouTube’s breakout superstar with 15M+ subscribers, to launching a late-night show and producing her own films.She opens up about the chip on her shoulder that fueled her rise, how gender equity shapes everything she does, and why she believes storytelling—not just politics or protests—is the most powerful tool for change. Plus: her new raunchy sex comedy Doing It (why Hollywood called it “too niche”), what she learned about money, gratitude, and negotiating as a woman, and how she built Hyphenate to support South Asian creators.Lilly also gets real about therapy, unlearning likability, the pressure of “relevancy” on the internet, and why connection—not algorithms—is the only metric that really matters.Whether you’re dreaming of becoming a creator, breaking into Hollywood, or building a career that actually aligns with your values, this conversation is packed with lessons, raw honesty, and plenty of laughs.Chapters00:00 – Growing up in Toronto & immigrant expectations02:00 – The chip on her shoulder: proving girls can do anything04:00 – Why storytelling is activism05:00 – Doing It: sex comedy as cultural intervention08:00 – Lessons from early YouTube days & feeding the algorithm10:00 – Losing (and regaining) authenticity & connection12:00 – Hollywood, “noise,” and drawing boundaries14:00 – Building her first team & hiring smarter people18:00 – Hyphenate: supporting South Asian creators20:00 – Diversifying income & passive revenue23:00 – Passion projects vs. profit projects28:00 – Negotiating money & the weaponization of gratitude31:00 – Unlearning likability & embracing being “unpopular”34:00 – Hollywood vs. YouTube: who really knows the audience36:00 – Defining success when relevancy is weaponized38:00 – Boundaries, therapy, and not being “what you do”42:00 – Why being a lifelong student is the smartest move43:00 – Tattoos, spirituality & protection🔗 FOLLOW USPhoebe GatesSophia KianniLilly Singh🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagramTikTokLinkedIn📲 Support What We’re BuildingPhoebe and Sophia aren’t just your hosts—they’re the founders of Phia, a fashion-tech app helping shoppers find the best prices across retail and resale. Download the app, try it out, and help us grow this communityAbout The BurnoutsThe Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond the headlines to share the real stories, lessons, and mindsets that define your 20s.Past guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and Tommy Hilfiger.🛎️ Subscribe for the insider playbook to build your dream career. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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  • Rainn Wilson Reveals Why Playing Dwight on The Office Didn’t Make Him Happy
    Rainn Wilson is best known as Dwight Schrute from The Office, one of the most iconic characters in TV history. But behind the legendary role, he faced burnout, fame overload, and the realization that success alone would never make him happy.On The Burnouts Podcast, Rainn Wilson joins Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni for an unfiltered interview about life after The Office. He opens up about chasing bigger movies, more money, and more fame in Hollywood, why it left him unfulfilled, and how he reinvented himself through spirituality, mental health practices, and his bestselling book Soul Boom.This Rainn Wilson interview is filled with behind-the-scenes stories from The Office, hilarious unscripted Dwight Schrute moments, the lessons he learned from sudden wealth and celebrity, and why finding purpose matters more than success.Whether you are a longtime fan of The Office, curious about Rainn Wilson’s career beyond Dwight Schrute, or searching for meaning in a burnout culture, this conversation is raw, funny, and packed with insights you will not forget. Chapters00:00 – Dwight Schrute & the paradox of fame04:00 – Why The Office didn’t make Rainn Wilson happy09:00 – Burnout, ego, and chasing “more” in Hollywood12:00 – Reinventing life through spirituality18:00 – From SoulPancake to Soul Boom24:00 – The mental health crisis & phones30:00 – Behind the scenes of The Office (Dwight improv moments)37:00 – Money, fame, and family lessons44:00 – Advice Rainn Wilson wishes he knew in his 20s50:00 – The future of storytelling and purposeFOLLOW USPhoebe GatesSophia KianniRainn WilsonFOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagramTikTokLinkedInSupport What We’re BuildingPhoebe and Sophia aren’t just your hosts—they’re the founders of Phia, a VC-backed fashion-tech app helping shoppers find the best prices across retail and resale. Download the app, try it out, and leave us your feedback.About The BurnoutsThe Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond the headlines to share the real stories, lessons, and mindsets that define your 20s.Past guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and other icons redefining culture today.Subscribe for more interviews with leaders, creators, and entrepreneurs shaping our generation. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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  • How Bobbi Brown Went From Vogue Makeup Artist to Building a $160M Brand at 63
    Makeup artist, mogul, author, hotelier—Bobbi Brown has built more than one empire (and reinvented herself along the way).In this episode of The Burnouts, Bobbi sits down with Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni to talk about what it really takes to build an iconic brand, sell it for millions, and then start all over again. From mixing her first lipstick with a chemist and cold-calling agencies out of the Yellow Pages, to selling Bobbi Brown Cosmetics to Estée Lauder and later launching Jones Road Beauty, Bobbi shares the unfiltered version of how she built—and rebuilt—her career on her own terms.She opens up about confidence, burnout, and building businesses with her husband and family. Plus: the 25-year non-compete that changed everything, why “retirement” is not in her vocabulary, how she clapped back at viral TikTok criticism (and won), and the simple beauty rules she swears by for every generation.Also: how she accidentally went from makeup artist to hotel owner, why she still cold-DMs influencers, and her #1 piece of advice for young women chasing their dream career.🔍 CHAPTERS00:00 – Starting Bobbi Brown Cosmetics06:30 – Reinventing beauty around natural looks09:20 – Vogue covers, Naomi Campbell, and early breaks12:00 – Building a billion-dollar brand with Estée Lauder20:00 – Family, partnership, and working with her husband27:20 – Selling for $74M and the 25-year non-compete30:00 – Going viral with Jones Road Beauty on TikTok34:30 – Personal brand, social media, and DMs that changed everything40:00 – Jones Road’s growth and what’s next46:00 – Advice for entrepreneurs (luck vs. hard work)51:00 – Hiring, culture, and leading a scrappy team57:00 – Self-care, health, and why she’ll never retire🔗 FOLLOW USPhoebe GatesSophia KianniBobbi Brown🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagramTikTokLinkedIn📲 Download the Phia app.Subscribe to The Burnouts for exclusive conversations with today’s top founders and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by former Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, this isn’t just another founder podcast—it’s untold conversations and the unfiltered reality of what it takes to build your dream career in your 20s. Guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and more visionaries defining the brands—and blueprints—of our time. Whether you’re dreaming big or building now, these are the conversations that will show you how it’s done (and what no one else tells you).🔔 Subscribe now to get the blueprint for building your dream career Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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About The Burnouts with Phoebe & Sophia

As former Stanford roommates and now business partners, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni share their experience as startup founders and the complexities of being young professionals—from financial literacy, social impact, and navigating networking (ever been hit on through LinkedIn?). With exclusive access to top experts, they offer an inside look at their chaotic lives alongside career insights from their network of thought leaders. Watch The Burnouts pursue their dreams while trying to keep their lives from going up in flames. Will they burn out? We’ll find out.
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