Speak Your Mind Unapologetically Podcast

She Stopped Leading With Her Title and Started Saying "I'm a Technology and Business Diplomat." People Immediately Wanted to Know More. Equifax SVP D'Lovely on Networking, Personal Boards, and Career Infrastructure
She was laid off twice. Both times, by the time the hiring manager called her, three or four people at the company had already been talking about her. Not because she got lucky. Because she had spent months having breakfasts, following up on cold contacts, asking questions instead of pitching, and making it easy for people to pass her name along. One of those contacts had been on a month-long holiday — not ignoring her. She kept following up. They finally had lunch. That person said: "You're the real deal." She talked to people. The hiring manager called within a month.
D'Lovely is SVP of Product, Data and Analytics, and Technology Planning and Execution at Equifax, a finalist for Woman of the Year in Engineering by the Women in Technology organization, and the person who calls herself a "Technology and Business Diplomat" — a title that took years to develop and immediately makes people want to know more.
In this episode, she breaks down how networking actually works as a career infrastructure system, not a social obligation.
You'll learn:
Why being laid off the first time forced her to admit her network wasn't working — she was going to events and talking to people, but she wasn't being methodical. What changed after that realization and how she got both subsequent roles entirely through network relationships.
The five-week story: how she targeted a specific company, got stonewalled on LinkedIn, shifted to building relationships across the organization, finally got a lunch, listened more than she talked, and had the hiring manager call her a month later saying people had been talking about her.
Why "I need a job" is the wrong thing to be broadcasting in your network — and what to ask for instead. Almost nobody has a job in their pocket, but everybody can give you their story, their honest read on a company's culture, and an introduction to someone who needs to know you exist.
The three-tier model for a personal board of directors: close inner circle, mid-range colleagues in similar roles and at similar levels, and the periphery of executive mentors and coaches. Who belongs in each tier, how often you should connect with each, and why having everyone at the same level above you actually limits what your board can do for you.
Why you should never introduce yourself by listing what you do — and how to develop a power statement that makes the other person immediately want to know more. The difference between "I manage software projects" and "I turn engineering chaos into customer results."
The exact tactics for staying top of mind without being annoying: leaving voicemails during your commute, following up twice without apology, sending a draft message someone can forward on your behalf so they have to do almost nothing to help you. Make it easy, close the deal, don't wait to be remembered.
Why the most important networking conversations never mention work at all — and how those are often the ones that lead to the most powerful long-term relationships.
About D'Lovely: SVP of Product, Data and Analytics, and Technology Planning and Execution at Equifax. Finalist, Woman of the Year in Engineering, Women in Technology. Self-described Technology and Business Diplomat. Based in Atlanta.

She credits three people with transforming her career trajectory at AWS and beyond. Tatiana got her into AWS. Wayne sponsored her advancement within it. Dan helped her break into venture capital as a partner at Felicis Ventures. She did not stumble into these relationships. She built them intentionally, maintained them with discipline, and gave back at every stage — even when what she could give seemed small compared to what she was receiving.
Nancy was Director and General Manager at AWS Data Protection when this episode was recorded. She has since been promoted to CTO. She is also the founder of Advancing Women in Tech (AWIT), a venture partner at Felicis Ventures, and served on the board of UPenn's School of Engineering Online. She gave the commencement speech at the University of Pennsylvania. The central idea of that speech: build your personal board of directors.
In this episode, she breaks down the full framework.
You'll learn:
Why she calls her personal board of directors the most important career strategy she has used, and what it gave her that mentors, managers, and luck could not.
The three specific people on her board, what each one did for her, and how those relationships were built over time rather than asked for upfront.
The right way to ask for raw, unfiltered feedback from someone who outranks you significantly — including why the first or second meeting is almost never the right time, and what you need to establish first.
Why follow-through is a bigger differentiator than IQ, communication skills, or credentials. "They need to want it more than you want it for them" — the advice from her own board member that she now uses with every mentee she works with.
How compound interest applies to professional relationships: why small, consistent gestures build more than a single impressive one, and what she does quarterly to keep her board relationships healthy without it feeling transactional.
She was preparing to meet a Fortune 500 CEO to ask him to join her board. His dog had just had surgery. She planned to bring dog treats. The reminder: every successful person is still just a human being, and treating them that way is both the right approach and the most effective one.
The Lululemon wardrobe mistake: her first Silicon Valley job, she bought a whole new wardrobe to fit in with the casual culture. Hated it. Didn't feel herself. What she learned about knowing who you are and using that as a career filter rather than a liability.
Why at her leadership level she says no far more often than yes, why she uses Amazon's "have backbone, disagree and commit" principle to push back when the room disagrees with her, and what she tells her mentees about having the courage to hold the unpopular opinion.
About Nancy: At the time of this recording, Nancy was Director and General Manager, AWS Data Protection at Amazon Web Services. She has since been promoted to CTO. She is also the founder of Advancing Women in Tech (AWIT), a venture partner at Felicis Ventures, and has served on the board of directors of the UPenn School of Engineering Online. AWIT's Coursera curriculum has reached tens of thousands of learners globally.
Advancing Women in Tech: https://www.advancingwomenintech.org/

She came to the United States from Cameroon almost 30 years ago with a master's degree in education, almost no exposure to computers, and a goal to pursue a doctorate. Her two sisters, both already in IT careers, redirected her. She thought she could never succeed in the field. She became an IT help desk worker. Then a network administrator. Then an IT manager. Then a director. Then a CIO. Then a COO in Spain. Then a Chief Technology and Innovation Officer. Then a Vice President and CIO at a California State University. Her PhD — the original goal from 1995 — she completed in 2019. Twenty-four years later than planned.
Dr. Monique is Vice President for Information Technology and CIO at California State University, Chico, and a multiple CIO award winner. In this episode, she shares the specific moments — some planned, some forced on her — that defined how she uses her voice to steer her career.
You'll learn:
Dr. Monique was the only person of color in senior leadership at an elite STEM university. She organized the conversation her organization wasn't having: a roundtable on race and social justice with her IT team. She went first, dropped her own protective mask, and shared her own experiences with racism — which is what unlocked everyone else. The sessions grew into a six-cohort DEI program across the entire university, co-developed under her executive vice president.
A junior male employee publicly questioned in a group meeting whether she was being overpaid. Her two white male predecessors' salaries had never been questioned by that same group. She stood up calmly and said: "I did not come to this meeting to discuss my salary. But if I must, I believe I am appropriately compensated for the work that I do." The room went silent.
How she trained herself to respond to the angry Black woman stereotype: when emotions rise, her voice drops lower instead of higher. She slows down. She puts her hands on her thighs. She stands with her feet flat on the ground. She stated her intention to her team before a difficult conversation: "I am standing up not to be overpowering, but because having my feet on the ground helps me control my emotions." Days later, people were still reaching out saying it changed how they see her.
At a conference in Chicago, a vendor friend insisted she skip the Super Bowl to meet someone he knew. She agreed. The stranger asked her about her career. She "unabashedly spoke up" about her achievements. He told her they were building a role to lead technological innovation. She applied. She got the job as Chief Technology and Innovation Officer.
She applied for Deputy CIO at the Colorado School of Mines with none of the required higher education experience. Got interviewed. Got the job. Eight months later: interim CIO. Three months after that: full CIO. She directly asked her executive vice president there to sponsor her — sharing her goals specifically and asking for stretch assignments. That EVP let her serve as deputy COO while still serving as CIO.
The framework she and Ivna coin in this episode: "confident humility." Women often embrace the humility and delete the confidence. The combination of both — taking no apologies for what she has accomplished while doing so with poise and grace — is what she credits for attracting sponsors throughout her career.
Why she asks directly for sponsorship by naming specific career goals and specific asks, and why she audits her sponsor network regularly — including thinking about what would happen to her if her strongest advocate left the organization tomorrow.
About Dr. Monique: Vice President for Information Technology and Chief Information Officer at California State University, Chico. Multiple CIO award winner. Immigrant from Cameroon. Former CIO at Colorado School of Mines, Chief Technology and Innovation Officer, and Chief Operating Officer in Spain. PhD in Education and Organizational Leadership. Started her IT career at the help desk.

Her Peer Kept Misattributing Statements to Her Team. She Let It Slide Once. The Second Time She Confronted Her Directly.
She had a verbal offer within four days. They were eager. Before she accepted, she called HR and said: "Before I accept, I want to speak with my manager's manager." That request could have cost her the role entirely. She had already weighed it: if they say no, that tells me everything I need to know about this culture. If they say yes, I make a more informed decision. Within 24 hours, the executive cleared his calendar during a conference lunch and took a 30-minute call. He opened with: "What questions do you have for me?" She asked everything. She took the job.
Saadia is Global Chief Information and Technology Officer at Coverys, a medical liability company, with 20 years of IT experience across multiple Fortune 100 companies. In this episode, she walks through the specific moments in her career where courage was required — and exactly how she built it.
You'll learn:
Her peer kept misattributing statements to her and her team in leadership meetings. She let the first incident slide. The second time, she requested a direct conversation: "This is what I heard. You were named as having stated this. Can you explain why?" The peer was speechless. Saadia set a clear expectation for next time — and never had the problem again.
How she built a two-year disagreement relationship with a boss who actually respected being challenged: listen first before responding, don't feel obligated to disagree on the spot, return with facts, and always explain your thought process rather than just your conclusion.
The career pivot her mentor pushed her into: leave IT entirely — her entire professional identity — and take a business strategy role with a Chief Marketing Officer. She lost her direct reports and became an individual contributor. Her biggest fear: disrupt her tech trajectory and never get back. Her mentor's answer: "Try it. If you don't like it, come back." She did it for two years, returned to IT as an executive, and credits that pivot for how she now thinks about strategy, stakeholders, and technology implementation.
Why she stopped procrastinating in meetings after watching male peers say her exact ideas out loud and get the credit. The mindset that unlocked it: "I am in this room for a reason, and so is everyone else. Equal footing." Think you're the smartest: you stop listening. Think you're the worst: you stop speaking. Find the middle.
Her direct advice on bias: keep an eye on how your ideas and voice are treated from day one. You will know quickly whether biases exist. Your manager and your peers are the most critical variables. If your manager has bias toward you, it will not work. Find a leader who respects what you bring, not just who you are.
Why she proves herself to herself rather than to others — and why she has watched other women leaders make flawed decisions every time they shifted into "proving to others" mode.
The skip-level coffee chat practice she has run for four years: meets individual contributors without their managers, no script, asks what challenges they are facing, never names names when sharing themes upward. The trust it builds has changed how her organization speaks up.
About Saadia: Global Chief Information and Technology Officer at Coverys, a medical liability company. Saadia has 20 years of IT leadership experience across multiple Fortune 100 companies and is a recognized voice on courage, leadership, and building speak-up cultures in technology organizations.

She Told Her Director "Your Actions Don't Support That Opinion." He Apologized. Harley-Davidson's Ashwini on Self-Advocacy, Disrespect, and Owning Your Career
She had a new director who made every interaction feel disrespectful — no matter the topic, no matter how well she was performing. It wasn't the work. It was the treatment. She hit her limit, went to her manager, and said: "There are only two paths. I have a crucial conversation with the director, or we go different directions." The meeting was scheduled. She opened by asking the director directly what he thought of her work. He praised her for two minutes. Then she said: "Your actions don't support that opinion. I don't feel respected when we interact. I don't feel wanted in this department." He was taken aback. He apologized. They reset. She went into that meeting prepared to lose her job if she had to — and she walked out with a relationship she could actually work in.
Ashwini holds a bachelor's and master's in mechanical engineering from the University of Michigan. She spent over 20 years in automotive before moving to the motorcycle industry, where she is now Head of Motorcycle Development Strategy and Operations at Harley-Davidson Motor Company — one of the most male-dominated sectors in manufacturing. She is also President of the Automotive Women's Alliance Foundation (AWAF). And she will be the first to tell you she has never had a long-term sponsor.
In this episode, she is completely direct about what has actually driven her career forward.
You'll learn:
Why she spent the first decade of her career with her head down doing great work, why it was necessary but not sufficient, and the moment she realized nobody outside her immediate area knew she had the appetite or ability to grow beyond it.
Why she believes there is only one completely reliable advocate you will ever have, why most women are better at being advocates for others than for themselves, and how she built that muscle precisely because she didn't have a long-term sponsor.
The full story of the disrespectful director: how she identified the problem, how she structured the conversation, why she led with "what do you think of my work?" before stating her case, and why going in prepared to lose her job is what gave her the confidence to say what needed to be said.
The mentee who called her on a weekend in tears saying "I feel stupid." How Ashwini diagnosed the real problem (disrespect, not technical gaps), reached into her network to move the mentee to a different department, and how the same HR contact she helped later reached out to recommend her for a strategy role — a direct return on giving she never could have predicted.
Why she describes her sponsors as "situational" rather than long-term, what that means in practice, and why she thinks the traditional sponsor model is harder to find than people admit.
How she uses her role as AWAF president — where she manages an entire P&L — as a judgment-free environment to build skills that corporate rarely hands to women: financial leadership, public speaking, board-level decision making.
The four A's feedback framework she uses with her leadership team: Appreciate, Assess, Action, Align — and how it prevents feedback from crossing into personal attack territory.
Why she believes assertiveness and humility come from the same foundation, not opposing ones — and how saying "I don't know, and here's my plan to close that gap" has enabled her to pivot more successfully than projecting false confidence ever could.
About Ashwini: Head of Motorcycle Development Strategy and Operations at Harley-Davidson Motor Company and President of the Automotive Women's Alliance Foundation (AWAF). She holds a BS and MS in mechanical engineering from the University of Michigan and has spent over two decades in engineering and strategy leadership across automotive and motorcycle industries.