Recovery Room

Francois “Fafa” de Klerk, the celebrity makeup artist and stylist from kykNET's Stralend, joins Recovery Room to talk about losing 79kg, overcoming personal struggles and the reality of working with South Africa's rich and famous.
Known for his work transforming appearances on Stralend, Fafa reveals how the experience also became a turning point in his own life. After losing his mother and sister, struggling with his health and putting his clients' needs before his own, he decided it was time to make a change.
Fafa opens up about grief, self-acceptance, mental health and learning to prioritise himself. But there's plenty of laughter along the way.
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Matie van Graan, better known to many South Africans as Boerboeltannie, joins Recovery Room to talk about starting her acting career at 52, becoming a familiar face on Binnelanders and discovering an unexpected talent for comedy.
From working in nature conservation to becoming a social media personality, stand-up comedian and actress, Matie's journey into entertainment was anything but conventional.
And if you know Matie, you'll know that no conversation with her ever goes quite according to plan.
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Natasja Jacobs opens up about alcoholism, eight years of sobriety, mental health, heartbreak and the reality behind her career on South African television.
Known for her roles in 7de Laan, Song vir Katryn, Egoli and Diepe Waters, Natasja has spent decades entertaining audiences. But behind the familiar characters is a deeply personal story of addiction, recovery and finding herself again.
In this episode of Recovery Room, Natasja joins Jennis and JC for an emotional and unfiltered conversation about the struggles that shaped her life.She recalls hiding alcohol from those around her, the moment her three-year-old son asked whether she was okay,  the devastating car accident that interrupted her acting career, and the night she finally decided to stop drinking.
From the characters we've watched on television to the woman behind them, Natasja shares what it takes to survive, rebuild and keep moving forward.
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One job isn't enough anymore. But when does your side hustle start costing you more than it's giving you?

In this episode of Recovery Room, Jennis and JC unpack moonlighting, multiple income streams and the reality of trying to juggle work, passion projects, parenting and everything else life expects from you.

From actors taking second jobs just to survive between gigs, to Jennis and JC confronting just how many businesses, projects and responsibilities they're juggling themselves. How many jobs is too many? Should every passion become an income stream? When does a side hustle become a distraction? And when everything matters, how do you decide what you're willing to drop?

0:00 Welcome back and the gaslighting vs moonlighting mix-up
2:15 Why the entertainment industry is a lotto with a stroke
4:29 JC's full list of side hustles, from Papa Bakes to Hello Hyperlocal
8:07 Jennis's other jobs: coaching, lecturing, writing, and Wags and Walks
10:22 The agency as a marriage and the production company as a mistress
11:59 The glass ball vs rubber ball rule for juggling priorities
14:30 What legacy actually means when the industry itself isn't sustainable
18:09 The rule for good moonlighting vs bad moonlighting
19:59 Over to you: what are you moonlighting on?

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Armand Joubert opens up about The Voice SA, rejection from record labels, breaking into Afrikaans music and the hate that comes with refusing to hide who you are.
Before becoming one of Afrikaans pop's most unapologetic performers, Armand was rejected by Idols, reached the Top 32 of The Voice SA and spent years chasing an international music career. Then, after playing a show to around 15 people, one conversation pushed him back towards Afrikaans music.

But visibility has come at a cost.
Armand speaks candidly with Jennis and JC about homophobia in the Afrikaans entertainment industry, receiving death threats, queer representation, social media hate, the danger of becoming addicted to negative attention and why he no longer believes he needs to fit into spaces that don't want him.

A candid conversation about music, identity, rejection, representation and creating your own lane.

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