In this episode of DEVIANT Off Script, host Andrew Iden interviews former police chief and US Marshal Rick McCubbin. Rick delves into the unique challenges and experiences of leading small-town police departments, contrasting them with his time in larger cities like Louisville. He provides a detailed account of handling the tragic and unsolved murder of Officer Jason Ellis in Bardstown, highlighting the emotional toll and complexities of such a case. From his early aspirations in Kentucky to his significant roles in federal law enforcement, Rick offers a compelling narrative on what it means to serve and protect. It’s an in-depth look at policing, community trust and the enduring search for justice in unsolved crimes.
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The Hart Family Murders: Epilogue
DEVIANT's exploration of the Hart Family homicides concludes with hosts Andrew Iden and Dan Szematowicz finding conclusions, searching for truths and trying to answer the big question: "why?" Also, we play some of the sound that we weren't able to get to in the previous episodes, and share listener thoughts.
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Alan Duke: From Small-Town DJ to Top Crime Reporter
Join DEVIANT host Andrew Iden as he speaks with Alan Duke, a veteran reporter, editor, and producer with a long tenure at CNN. Duke shares his journey from a local DJ in Carrollton, Georgia, to covering major celebrity trials and true-crime stories, including the deaths of Michael Jackson and Anna Nicole Smith. Along the way, he recounts memorable courtroom experiences, the evolution of forensic technology in solving crimes, and the intricacies of working in LA's crime reporting scene. Don’t miss this deep dive into a lifetime of fascinating crime journalism.
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The Hart Family Murders (5/5): Last Stop
(Part 5/5)
In our final episode on the Hart Family murders, DEVIANT host Andrew Iden explores the pivotal moments leading up to the family leaving their home in Washington, and talk to the neighbors who lived across the driveway about what they saw, the encounters and concerns they had, the opportunities missed and how it all led to the cliff in Mendocino County, CA.
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Inside Criminal Law with Kirby Clements
In this episode of DEVIANT Off Script, host Andrew Iden sits down with Atlanta-based defense attorney Kirby Clements. Kirby, who has experience on both sides of the legal system as a former prosecutor, provides a compelling look into the American justice system. They discuss the intricacies of representing clients, the challenges faced by defense attorneys, and the courtroom dynamics that often surprise the public. Kirby shares personal stories from his career, shedding light on the emotional and practical aspects of criminal defense. This episode is a must for anyone interested in the law, and the real-life scenarios that attorneys navigate daily.
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00:00 Introduction and Guest Overview
01:41 Kirby's Journey to Becoming a Lawyer
02:38 Early Career as a Prosecutor
04:00 Memorable Courtroom Stories
10:29 Transition to Criminal Defense
18:29 Confronting a Killer Client
19:34 The Role of a Defense Attorney
20:24 Prosecutor vs. Defense: A Philosophical Debate
21:55 Defending the Guilty and the Innocent
24:19 The Emotional Toll of Defending the Innocent
27:35 Public Perception and Jury Bias
32:58 The Reality of the Criminal Justice System
37:10 The Impact of Resources on Legal Defense
38:31 Final Thoughts and Reflections
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From the award-winning creators of Down The Hill: The Delphi Murders, comes DEVIANT, a new true crime series that dives into the dark corners of what human beings are capable of. Hosts Dan Szematowicz and Andrew Iden tell good stories about bad people who do very bad things.
Some people are wired for good. Some are wired for bad. And some are wired... to be Deviant.
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