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David Garfinkel
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  • The One Top Copywriting Skill For The Future
    With the rapid spread of AI, will there even be a future for copywriters? Both new and experienced copywriters are plagued by that same question. And it’s a good question. Because there are plenty of solid arguments that go like this: With the rapid growth of AI, soon there won’t be any need for human copywriters. And in some cases, that’s 100% true. The good news is, there are also some powerful counter-arguments that say there will definitely be a need for copywriters, and still some great opportunities to make a lot of money. But there’s a catch: If you want to survive, you’re going to have to learn some important new skills that only the top-of-the-crop copywriters needed in the past. Culminating in one top skill that no AI will ever be able to attain. I’ve figured out what they are - the lead-up skills, and the one top skill - and I’m going to share them with you, in detail, today. Now I’ll spend a lot of time mentioning my mentoring, and I just want to say it’s not for everybody. You need to be more advanced than a beginner in your freelance copywriting career, or in your business. Most of my new clients are already at the six-figure level. I’ve found those are the people I can help the most, and they’re also the people who can get an immediate return on their investment. So if you’re interested, I do have one or two spots coming open by the fall. Please visit my website to read about the mentoring and then apply if this is something you really want to do. Mentoring with me: https://garfinkelcoaching.com d.]]>
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  • High-Powered Email Welcome Sequences, With Evelina Kaganovitch
    When you turn a prospect into a customer, are you delivering and getting the most value you can? A lot of people have lame, generic welcome sequences because they know they have to say something… but they really don’t know what to say or how to say it. Our very special guest today aims to change all that. She’s Evelina Kagonovitch, and she has gotten big numbers that should make you sit up and pay attention: a 64% average open rate on win-back email campaign for marketing agency A 7.6% increase in article views over the last 90 days for personal brand A 20-30% average open rate on weekly marketing emails for marketing agency A 5% CTR on ads for local soccer academy business How does she do it? That’s what we’ll find out today. She’s formally trained as a fashion designer, and has had experience as a freelance writer for magazines and digital publications. When covid struck, whe found herself in Melbourne Australia, stuck in the house under what she says was the worst lockdown protocol in the world. So to make the best of a bad situation, she dove into the world of digital marketing and her marketing career really started to blossom. Evelina likes sharing how she merges creativity with strategy, and why she believes email is the ultimate “business insurance” for any company or freelancer. Today she’s going to tell us about her profitable approach to welcome strategies. But first, I’m going to tell you that Copy is powerful. You’re responsible for how you use what you hear on this podcast. Most of the time, common sense is all you need. But if you make extreme claims... and/or if you’re writing copy for offers in highly regulated industries like health, finance, and business opportunity... you may want to get a legal review after you write and before you start using your copy. My larger clients do this all the time. 1. You've had a lot of success with welcome email sequences for new subscribers that lead to sales. Could you describe one you've built? 2. What are the three most important rules you have when you put together a sequence like this? 3. What are the worst mistakes you see in welcome sequences that don't work? 4. When you're writing a single email in a welcome sequence, what advice would you give someone who's never done a welcome sequence before? 5. What was the most surprising reaction you've ever gotten to an email in a welcome sequence? 6. What advice would you give about subject lines and preview text? Could you give a couple of negative and positive examples? 7. Can you recommend any resources for people to learn more about putting together effective welcome sequences? Website: https://www.evelinakreative.com/ LinkedIn: Evelina Kagan https://www.linkedin.com/in/evelinakreative/https://www.linkedin.com/in/evelinakreative/ Instagram: @evelinakreative https://www.instagram.com/evelinakreative/ Free email subject line swipe file: Downloadable PDF Free how to hire a copywriter guide: Downloadable PDF d.]]>
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  • How AI Can Run Your Business, With Sam Woods
    Our returning champion is Sam Woods, who’s been using AI for business in very big ways since 2016. That’s a lot longer than most people, including me. And Nathan. And we’re both big fans of AI for copywriting! But more important for today’s show, we’re big fans of Sam Woods! And last time he was here, Sam gave us some highly valuable insights and hands-on tips for using AI with copywriting. But over the past 10 years, Sam has also developed his own methodologies, training, and frameworks for building and growing online businesses in areas outside of copywriting. Systems. Automations. In ways you might have imagined on the surface, and ways you could not possibly have imagined. A refresher about Sam’s background: He got started with machine learning in 2016 and generative AI in 2019. He was a pioneer in prompt engineering for AI copywriting, and marketing. Sam has advised Fortune 1,000 companies and teams across the world, as well as advised and consulted with CEOs and other C-Suite executives. He describes himself as “a strategic AI architect who advises C-Suite leaders on turning artificial intelligence into their most powerful competitive advantage.” And he’s going to share a little bit of that massive store of wisdom with us today. So before we start the interview, let me remind you first that Copy is powerful. You’re responsible for how you use what you hear on this podcast. Most of the time, common sense is all you need. But if you make extreme claims... and/or if you’re writing copy for offers in highly regulated industries like health, finance, and business opportunity... you may want to get a legal review after you write and before you start using your copy. My larger clients do this all the time. 1. You’ve been talking about a mindset shift, away from prompts and more towards how AI can handle small or large portions of a business. Can you remember the first time when this became obvious to you, and what was that like? 2. For one of our listeners who’s juggling client work and marketing, what would you say is the first place they should consider using AI to automate the business? 3. You said in a tweet that AI that really caught my eye that AI systems should run “24/7” like invisible staff. Could you tell us about one or more everyday tasks you’ve automated yourself that have made a major difference in your business? 4. What are some other ways to use AI that most people aren’t thinking about? 5. Could you talk about the concept of migrating mindset from a “factory” model of business to a “neural network” model, especially when working with AI? 6. What’s the biggest mistake you see people making when they start building business systems around AI? 7. Looking ahead two years, what are the best habits and knowledge our listeners can start to develop now so they’re not behind the curve when AI takes over even more of the market? Sam’s website: https://samueljwoods.com/ Other resources: https://bionicbusiness.com https://www.copywriting.ai/d.]]>
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  • Alfred Adler’s Forbidden Psychology
    In 1911, psychology pioneer Alfred Adler resigned from the presidency of a prestigious society in Vienna—and Sigmund Freud took it personally and deemed Adler an enemy. It didn’t stop there. Freud continued to rail against Adler until Freud’s death in 1939. The details of the dispute are kind of technical and petty, and we won’t get into them today. The effects, however, were massive: Because of Freud’s opposition, Adler’s work was suppressed for decades. And this is important. See, Adler had some powerful ideas that, decades later, have found their way into a number of well-accepted branches of psychology today – Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, Positive Psychology, Family Systems Therapy, to name only a few. Yet Adler’s original work remains unknown to most people. Where this fits into copywriting is that some of Adler’s core ideas are enormously useful. They can help you with big ideas, hooks, headlines, and understanding customer motivation at a deep level. d.]]>
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  • Selling Them With Kindness, With Cath Reohorn
    Nick Lowe had a big hit on the top 40 back in the day called “Cruel to be Kind.” Interesting idea, but how about this one? “Kind to be Kind.” Now there’s a novel idea. And it’s the guiding principle of copywriter and agency owner Cath Reohorn, who has taken this philosophy to £1 million/month in revenues for her clients. So you don’t have to do the math, that’s about $1.3 million per month. Now, how does she do it? Today, on Copywriters Podcast, you’ll find out exactly how. Now, back to the idea of “Kind to be Kind.” Cath’s agency is called Kind Copy, and she defines the guiding principle this way: “Kind copy stands for not twisting the knife. This anti-cruelty stance isn’t just an ethical standpoint. It’s a tactical advantage for services where the client needs to be actively involved in their process (like coaching and consulting).” We’ll dive deep into that in a moment. First, A little more about Cath and her business: She lives in Wales in the UK. She has a true family business, since it employs herself, her husband, her sister and 2 other team members. What’s even more impressive, they grew with organic marketing to over £1m/month before she ever ran an ad. Here's what we asked her: 1. You have chosen as your niche high-end fitness businesses, and you've said you're bringing them about £1 million/month in sales. How did you decide to focus on that niche? 2. What are you doing in the way of copy and strategy for these clients that's proving most profitable? 3. Could you explain your philosophy of Kind Copy and give us a couple of contrasting examples: typical copy vs. Kind Copy? 4. Your approach is to use organic content to drive sales. Could you tell us a little about that? 5. You said in a LinkedIn post: "The best marketing isn't about manipulation... it's about CHANGE WORK." Could you talk about that? 6. How are you using AI to lighten the load and let yourself focus on what you're really good at and/or what you enjoy doing the most? 7. If someone were to start out in the agency business today, what are the first three things you would advise them to learn or do (or both)? Cath’s website: https://kindcopy.co.uk/ Cath’s social media links: https://www.x.com/kindcopy https://www.instagram.com/kindcopyuk/ d.]]>
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