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Cooper Lutkenhaus, the 17-year-old sensation who became the youngest man ever to win an individual global track title, joins Jonathan Gault and Weldon Johnson to talk about his undefeated indoor season that concluded with 800m gold at World Indoors in Toruń, Poland.

Cooper breaks down his tactics, his "just send it" mentality, and what it's like being a world champion walking the halls of his Texas high school.

The conversation covers his Diamond League debut at Stockholm on June 7, the sibling rivalry with his brother over who breaks four minutes first, his surprisingly frugal spending habits despite a Nike deal, and why he's targeting USA Outdoors as the capstone of his 2026 season. Cooper also shares his admiration for David Rudisha's racing style and explains why he thinks 800m times are dropping so fast.https://www.letsrun.com/subscribe

LINKS

Cooper Lutkenhaus wins World Indoor Gold

Cooper Lutkenhaus: Where Your Dreams Become Reality Athlete of the Month

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Timestamps

00:00 Sponsor / Supporters Club Intro

00:44 Intro and Episode Preview

03:02 Winning World Indoors: Tactics and Confidence

10:29 Life as a 17-Year-Old Professional Runner

15:40 World Champion in the High School Hallways

21:52 Outdoor Season Plans and Diamond League Debut

26:40 Dream Venues and Racing Where Rudisha Set His Record

29:14 World Indoors Final: The Decisive Move With 200 to Go

32:07 Outdoor Goals and the Sub-Four Mile Race Against His Brother

36:13 World Under-20s, USA Outdoors, and What's Next

40:03 Jim Ryun Comparisons and Why 800m Times Are So Fast

Contact

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Since 2000, LetsRun.com has been the independent home of elite running. Described by the New York Times as the "influential website that serves as something of a superego for American running," the podcast is the weekly deep dive into the world of track and field and elite distance running.

The show is hosted by LetsRun.com co-founders Weldon Johnson, a 2-time Team USA member, and Robert Johnson, a former Cornell coach who helped pace a marathon world record, along with award-winning senior writer Jonathan Gault. Together they provide insider reporting and unfiltered debate serious fans rely on.

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John Korir obliterated the Boston Marathon course record with a stunning 2:01:52, negative-splitting the second half in 60:02 to repeat as champion. The top three men all broke the previous course record in what became the first marathon in history with three sub-2:03 finishers**. Sharon Lokedi** defended her women's title with a devastating 14:48 5K split between 35K and 40K that destroyed the field. Zouhair Talbi ran 2:03:45 to post the fastest time ever by a US citizen, igniting debate over whether he or Conner Mantz is America's top marathoner. Meanwhile, Oregon's Simeon Birnbaum smashed the NCAA 1500 record with a 3:31.69 at Hayward Field, and Michael Norman made his long-awaited return to competition after surgery.

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LINKS

Fastest Boston Marathon Ever: Korir Destroys Course Record, 13 Men Under 2:06

Sharon Lokedi Repeats as Boston Marathon Champion Thanks to Sizzling 14:48 5K Split

How Did They Run So Fast in Boston? Inside the Fastest Race in History

Simeon Birnbaum Smashes NCAA 1500m Record With 3:31.69

Michael Norman Is Back: Runs First Race in 19 Months With New Coach

Why the AIU Handed NCAA Champion Adaejah Hodge a Secret Doping Ban

Joe Klecker's Strava

Stephen Pifer's Strava (Sharon Lokedi's Borrowed Garmin Data)

Mary Ngugi Cooper Post-Race Interview

"No One Cares If You Get Second": Simeon Birnbaum on Why Winning Is All That Matters (Podcast)

Fiona O'Keeffe's Withdrawal Announcement (Instagram)

TIMESTAMPS

00:00 Mary Ngugi Cooper Audio / Intro

00:48 Show Open

05:25 John Korir: Best Marathoner in the World?

08:33 The Kipchoge Legacy Debate

14:33 Record-Shattering Men's Results

22:05 Conner Mantz vs Zouhair Talbi: Who Is America's Best Marathoner?

28:41 Richard Ringer's Surprise Run at Age 37

32:52 Non-African-Born Runners Rewriting All-Time Lists

39:25 What Went Wrong for Korir in Chicago?

44:20 Korir's Rise: From 70 to 150 Miles Per Week

47:40 Where Your Dreams Become Reality

51:07 Technology's Impact on Marathon Depth

53:27 Sharon Lokedi Defends Her Boston Title

59:41 How Good Was Lokedi's Performance?

62:00 Jess McClain Leads the American Women

66:05 Fiona O'Keeffe's Withdrawal and Durability Questions

71:21 Mary Ngugi Cooper and the Let's Run Effect

74:14 Simeon Birnbaum Smashes the NCAA 1500 Record

79:10 NCAA 1500 Depth and the Championship Preview

83:26 Michael Norman's Comeback

87:13 Tate Taylor, Adaejah Hodge, and Sprint Controversies

94:41 Katelyn Tuohy's Health and Pro Struggles

97:35 SC Exclusive: Nick Willis' Theory

98:05 Supporters Club Plug

98:26 Closing Remarks and London Marathon Preview

CONTACT

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ABOUT THE LETSRUN.COM PODCAST

Since 2000, LetsRun.com has been the independent home of elite running. Described by the New York Times as the "influential website that serves as something of a superego for American running," the podcast is the weekly deep dive into the world of track and field and elite distance running.

The show is hosted by LetsRun.com co-founders Weldon Johnson, a 2-time Team USA member, and Robert Johnson, a former Cornell coach who helped pace the marathon world record, along with award-winning senior writer Jonathan Gault. Together they move beyond PR headlines to provide insider reporting and unfiltered debate serious fans rely on.

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EPISODE SUMMARY

Sara Hall talks to Jonathan Gault ahead of her fifth Boston Marathon to discuss her new memoir, For the Love of the Grind (buy here on Amazon, here to support independent booksellers) Hall opens up about writing the book herself, her use of magic mushrooms before setting the American half marathon record, and the emotional toll of Ruth Chepngetich's positive doping test on her own career. She also talks about adoption, motherhood, training on the StairMaster as a secret weapon, and why she's still racing five marathons in six months at age 42. Hall's goal for Boston: crack the top 10.

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00:00 Start

00:23 Introduction

01:09 Sara Hall on Writing Her Memoir

03:17 The Writing Process

05:56 Why Write the Book Now

07:56 John Ball: The Quirky Body Work Guru

10:10 Choosing Stanford on a Half Scholarship

12:46 Magic Mushrooms and the Half Marathon Record

17:32 Adoption, Motherhood, and Identity

20:21 Ruth Chepngetich and the Toll of Doping

24:10 The StairMaster as a Secret Weapon

27:15 Five Marathons in Six Months

29:19 Training at 9,000 Feet and Lessons From Ethiopia

31:09 Still Racing at 43: Longevity and the Love of the Grind

32:59 What Drives Sara Now and Boston Goals

35:36 Supporters Club and Outro

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ABOUT THE LETSRUN.COM PODCAST

Since 2000, LetsRun.com has been the independent home of elite running. Described by the New York Times as the "influential website that serves as something of a superego for American running," the podcast is the weekly deep dive into the world of track and field and elite distance running. The show is hosted by LetsRun.com co-founders Weldon Johnson, a 2-time Team USA member, and Robert Johnson, a former Cornell coach who helped pace the marathon world record, along with award-winning senior writer Jonathan Gault. Together they move beyond PR headlines to provide insider reporting and unfiltered debate serious fans rely on.

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Gout Gout electrified Australian athletics with a 19.67 in the 200 meters, but was a swirling diagonal wind behind the eye-popping times? The crew breaks down why every finalist PR'd and what it really means. Cam Myers joined ultra-rare company with a 3:29 wire-to-wire 1500, while the women's 1500 DQ reversal sparked a fiery debate about obstruction rules and whether track and field needs instant replay. Jackson Spencer dropped an 8:31 meet record at Arcadia, LA 2028 ticket prices have fans in sticker shock, and the Supporters Club gets an exclusive interview with 17-year-old world indoor champion Cooper Lutkenhaus.https://www.letsrun.com/subscribe

LINKS

Sam Mattis Takes Down Ben Plucknett's Steroid-Fueled AR

'Fake Conspiracy Theory' Over Gout Gout's 200m World Record (news.com.au)

Jackson Spencer's Final 200m at Arcadia (video)

First Look at LA 2028 Olympic Ticket Prices (LetsRun Forum) https://www.letsrun.com/forum

VPN deal — https://www.letsrun.com/vpn

TIMESTAMPS

00:00 Supporters Club

00:33 Music

00:56 Intro and Episode Preview

06:52 Gout Gout Runs 19.67 at Australian Championships

08:10 Did Wind Give Gout Gout a Hidden Advantage?

12:49 Why 200m Wind Gauges Can Be Misleading

20:08 Historic Sprint Anomalies From Flo-Jo to Tobi Amusan

24:49 Cam Myers' 3:29 Wire-to-Wire 1500 Stunner

29:29 Is Myers' Front-Running Strategy a Threat to Ingebrigtsen?

33:41 Hollingsworth DQ Overturned in Women's 1500 Controversy

36:12 Track and Field Desperately Needs Video Replay

37:34 Who Should Be DQ'd: Hull or Hollingsworth?

39:47 Was Hull's Inside Block Legal or Obstruction?

45:48 Weldon's Verdict: No DQ for Jess Hull

49:14 Jakob vs Hull: Is Shutting the Door a Legal Move?

54:49 Ingebrigtsen Won't Race Until July

55:57 Jackson Spencer's 8:31 Meet Record at Arcadia Invitational

61:09 LA 2028 Olympic Tickets: Sticker Shock and Outrage

63:36 How Expensive Will the Olympics Really Be?

71:22 Is the Olympics Worth It or Should You Just Go to Worlds?

75:21 Breaking News: Diana Rossini Out at The Athletic

76:15 Boston Marathon Preview and Supporters Club Meetup

77:57 Cooper Lutkenhaus: World Indoor Champion at 17

80:15 Winning World Indoors: Tactics and Confidence

87:42 Life as a 17-Year-Old Professional Runner

92:52 World Champion in the High School Hallways

99:05 Outdoor Season Plans and Diamond League Debut

103:53 Dream Venues and Racing Where Rudisha Set His Record

106:27 World Indoors Final: The Decisive Move With 200 to Go

109:21 Outdoor Goals and the Sub-Four Mile Race Against His Brother

113:26 World Under-20s, USA Outdoors, and What's Next

117:16 Jim Ryun Comparisons and Why 800m Times Are So Fast

CONTACT

Email: [email protected]

Call or text: 1-844-LETSRUN (1-844-538-7786)

ABOUT THE LETSRUN.COM PODCAST

Since 2000, LetsRun.com has been the independent home of elite running. Described by the New York Times as the "influential website that serves as something of a superego for American running," the podcast is the weekly deep dive into the world of track and field and elite distance running. The show is hosted by LetsRun.com co-founders Weldon Johnson, a 2-time Team USA member, and Robert Johnson, a former Cornell coach who helped pace the marathon world record, along with award-winning senior writer Jonathan Gault. Together they move beyond PR headlines to provide insider reporting and unfiltered debate serious fans rely on.

Oregon's Simeon Birnbaum joins the LetsRun.com Track Talk podcast after off a breakout NCAA indoor season. The former South Dakota high school phenom - who left the high school ranks #2 all-time at 1500 & 3200/2-mile - finished second in the NCAA indoor 3,000m and reveals the tactical mistake that cost him the title. Birnbaum says the Habtom Samuel DQ was "pretty soft" and discusses how running fast means nothing, all that matters is winning titles. He opens up about choosing Jerry Schumacher over other programs, the injuires that derailed his early college career, Schumacher's strict no-Strava policy, the NIL landscape for track athletes, and why he picked Diadora over Nike.

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Timestamps

0:00 Start

2:43 Birnbaum's Breakthrough NCAA Season

3:18 What Cost Him The NCAA 3,000 Title

6:05 Birnbaum On The Habtom Samuel DQ

8:54 Balancing Oregon Travel And Classes

10:51 Outdoor Goals: NCAA Titles In The 1500 And 5,000

13:01 Long-Term Goals And LA 2028

13:33 Why He Chose Oregon And Jerry Schumacher

18:35 Adjusting To Jerry Schumacher's Training

20:39 How He Finally Stayed Healthy

27:28 NIL Deals And Choosing Diadora Over Nike

32:02 The Sunglasses Origin Story

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About The LetsRun.com Podcast

Since 2000, LetsRun.com has been the independent home of elite running. Described by the New York Times as the "influential website that serves as something of a superego for American running," the podcast is the weekly deep dive into the world of track and field and elite distance running. The show is hosted by LetsRun.com co-founders Weldon Johnson, a 2-time Team USA member, and Robert Johnson, a former Cornell coach who helped pace the marathon world record, along with award-winning senior writer Jonathan Gault. Together they move beyond PR headlines to provide insider reporting and unfiltered debate serious fans rely on.