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It Was What It Was : The Football History Podcast

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  • It Was What It Was : The Football History Podcast

    The American Dream: Pelé, Cosmos + Rise & Fall of NASL | Part Four

    2026/1/20 | 1h 12 mins.
    Welcome back to It Was What it Was, the football history podcast. In the final episode of our four-part special on the NASL, co-hosts Rob Draper and Jonathan Wilson delve into the decline and eventual collapse of the league. From financial instability, over-expansion, and missed opportunities, to the controversial business decisions and the rise of indoor soccer. This episode covers the myriad of factors that led to the NASL's downfall. Explore the final turbulent years, the impact on US Soccer, and the lessons learned from one of football's most intriguing leagues.

    00:00 Introduction to the NASL and Its Peak
    02:08 The Decline Begins: Post-Pele Era
    05:36 Celebrity Owners and Financial Woes
    09:01 The Cosmos' Dominance and League Format Issues
    19:21 Franchise Movements and Player Strikes
    29:03 The Beginning of the End: Financial Losses and Decline
    36:13 Ownership Disputes and Relocations
    37:53 Franchise Failures and Player Movements
    43:34 NASL's Struggles and FIFA's Ultimatum
    44:28 The Final Collapse of NASL
    55:18 Failed Experiments and Indoor Soccer
    01:01:49 The End of NASL and Its Legacy
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    The American Dream: Pelé, Cosmos + Rise & Fall of NASL | Part Three

    2026/1/13 | 1h 6 mins.
    Welcome to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. In this third episode of our four-part special on the North American Soccer League (NASL), co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper dive deep into the transformation kicked off by the arrival of legendary soccer star Pele. We go on an epic journey of the NASL, from shambolic beginnings to becoming one of the most iconic and influential leagues in world football, even if just for a short while. We explore how the NASL went from drawing crowds, to attracting the highest-paid player in the world, and the ensuing excitement and challenges that followed. Featuring the key moments, star players, innovative marketing strategies, and the initial signs of financial instability, this episode captures the league at its highest just before its inevitable decline. Don't miss this fascinating look at the peaks of NASL's history and what ultimately led the league to stumble. Tune in next week for the final episode of this four-part series.

    02:33 The Growth of Soccer in American Schools and Colleges
    03:32 Financial Struggles and the Arrival of Pele
    13:54 Innovative Rule Changes and Attendance Issues
    18:11 The Role of Media and Celebrity Influence
    23:55 The NASL's Expansion and Financial Commitments
    31:20 The Pursuit of Soccer Superstars
    33:01 Pele's Impact on American Soccer
    34:56 The Rise of NASL Franchises
    36:59 Challenges and Financial Struggles
    39:11 Marketing Gimmicks and Celebrity Players
    55:03 The Golden Year of 1977
    01:04:36 Pele's Farewell and Future Uncertainties
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    Recommended Replay: When Amorim Arrived at Man United And The Busby-Ferguson Curse

    2026/1/07 | 59 mins.
    Following the sacking of Ruben Amorim by Manchester United, here is a recommended replay from our episode released in November 2024, when Amorim first arrived at Manchester United. Jonathan and Rob discuss the clubs persistent challenge in finding a manager capable of replicating the legacy left by its legendary figures - something that still stands today... Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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    The American Dream: Pelé, Cosmos + Rise & Fall of NASL | Part Two

    2026/1/06 | 1h 1 mins.
    Welcome to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. This week co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper continue onto part two of a four-part special on the North American Soccer League (NASL). They discuss the initial attempts to establish professional soccer leagues in America, including the rivalries between the NASL and the National Professional Soccer League (NPSL). The episode covers the impact of foreign teams, the financial and logistical hurdles, and the ongoing struggle to gain popularity and acceptance in the U.S. market. With input from past experiences and key figures, they provide an in-depth look at why American soccer faced numerous setbacks and what was done to overcome them. Join us next week for part three!

    01:09 The Early Years of Soccer in the USA
    01:34 The Impact of the Wall Street Crash
    06:46 Post-War Challenges
    09:43 The Decline of American Soccer in the 1950s
    21:46 The 1960s: A Decade of Missed Opportunities
    27:15 The Birth of the NASL
    33:25 Lack of American Players in Early Leagues
    34:55 Rival Leagues: NPSL vs NASL
    35:42 Initial Matches and Attendance Issues
    40:11 Discipline Problems and Game Abandonments
    48:10 Financial Struggles and Legal Battles
    49:13 National Team Struggles and Attempts at Growth
    50:31 Foreign Influence and Pre-season Tours
    54:48 Financial Instability and League Contraction
    58:20 NASL's Unconventional Season Format
    01:00:32 Legacy and Future Prospects of NASL
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    New Years Day Special Episode

    2026/1/01 | 47 mins.
    Welcome to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. Today, co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper bring you a New Years Day Special Episode. We hope you enjoy and wish you all a Happy New Year! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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About It Was What It Was : The Football History Podcast

Welcome to The Overlap's football history podcast, It Was What It Was.Each week Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper will be talking about the key episodes in football history that have shaped the footballing world.The show will be discussing the best stories from football's past, giving insights to the personalities involved. the tales from behind the scenes and the impact they left.Join us at Football University!If you enjoy the podcast please hit subscribe to never miss an episode. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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