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Getting to Third Space with Lamar and Tom

From Tenacious Change, featuring Tom Klaus and Lamar Roth
Getting to Third Space with Lamar and Tom
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  • S3E22 - Part 2 - A Conversation with Christie Vilsack
    This episode of Getting to 3rd Space is Part 2 of our conversation with Christie Vilsack, writer, teacher, Former First Lady of Iowa, and sponsor of the Navy’s U.S.S. Iowa, a nuclear submarine. Our conversation continues with a focus on literacy, acts of kindness, and the benefits of growing up in rural America. Christie writes the Substack column, “Common Ground,” in which she tells stories of the people she has met and the ties that connect them. A link to her Substack is provided below. This podcast is the second of two and you can listen to or view the first part @klaushausproductions on YouTube. A 3rd Space Survey: Acts of KindnessChristie Vilsack is the most recent of our guests to talk with us about acts of kindness they have received and extended. Do you have an act of kindness that you’d like to share? There are two kindness questions we’d like you to consider responding to:What is an act of kindness you’ve received that made a difference to you? What is an act of kindness you have done which you hope changed another person’s life?You can participate through a Google Forms poll at this link: https://forms.gle/5NQakn6bgeXpm2us5 Learn more: Common Ground, a Substack column by Christie Vilsack - https://christievilsack.substack.com/ USS Iowa (nuclear submarine) - https://ssn797.com/about-us American is Sliding Toward Illiteracy, by Idrees Kalhoon in The Atlantic - https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/10/education-decline-low-expectations/684526/?gift=OkCOMnff83tE105ER-Egr9RBJ6X_L1UNSsOAWWYxod8&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=shareThe Anxious Generation, by Jonathan Haidt - https://a.co/d/8tWME8nDisagree Better, An Initiative by the National Governor’s Conference - https://www.nga.org/disagree-better/ And of course, the Frederick Flying Cows Basketball team - https://goflyingcows.com/ How We Check OurselvesFact Checking: Because there are a lot of things happening…some true, some false, some unbelievable…we use the following fact checking sites. Take a look for yourself:Snopes - https://www.snopes.com/ FactCheck.org - https://www.factcheck.org/ Politifact - https://www.politifact.com/RealClearPolitics - https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ Because media can have its own biases, we also rely upon these sites to help us get balanced coverage:Media Bias/Fact Check - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/All Sides - https://www.allsides.com/unbiased-balanced-newsAd Fontes Media Bias Chart - https://app.adfontesmedia.com/chart/interactive Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions. Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics? Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at [email protected] and [email protected]:Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom KlausImages by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AIFinal review and approval by Jake and Ebie Dawgs Inc. Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, All Rights Reserved. For permissions or additional information: [email protected] and https://www.rothimages.com/Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. © 2025. All Rights Reserved. Permissions: [email protected]. No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed.Recorded October 16, 2025 using Riverside.fm - http://riverside.fm/ - from “home studio” locations in Maryland and Kansas, USA and Iowa; Original Publishing Date, November 11, 2025.
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  • S3E21 - Part 1 of A Conversation with Christie Vilsack
    Today’s guest on Getting to 3rd Space is Christie Vilsack. She describes herself as a "Teacher, writer, wife, mom and gramma. Proud Iowa first lady, congressional candidate, and USAID education advisor. A world traveler but an Iowan by birth and choice. I write about people living close to the land, who believe in community and the public good. I tend to favor underdogs.” She is also the sponsor of the U.S.S. Iowa, a nuclear submarine commissioned earlier this year.This podcast is Part 1 of 2. In this episode Christie talks about her Substack column “Common Ground,” speaking truth to power and authority, the pride she has in her Iowa roots, and, of course, what it means to sponsor a Navy submarine. Part 2 will air on Tuesday, November 11, 2025.A 3rd Space Survey: Acts of KindnessInspired by our recent conversation with Joolz Casey of #behumankind are now inviting listeners/viewers to participate in our ongoing “Acts of Kindness” poll. You can participate by answering two simple questions: What is an act of kindness you’ve received that made a difference to you? What is an act of kindness you have done which you hope changed another person’s life?You can participate through a Google Forms poll at this link: https://forms.gle/5NQakn6bgeXpm2us5 Learn more: Common Ground - https://christievilsack.substack.com/USS Iowa (nuclear submarine) - https://ssn797.com/about-usAmerican is Sliding Toward Illiteracy, by Idrees Kalhoon in The Atlantic - https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/10/education-decline-low-expectations/684526/?gift=OkCOMnff83tE105ER-Egr9RBJ6X_L1UNSsOAWWYxod8&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=shareThe Anxious Generation, by Jonathan Haidt - https://a.co/d/8tWME8nDisagree Better, An Initiative by the National Governor’s Conference - https://www.nga.org/disagree-better/ How We Check OurselvesFact Checking: Because there are a lot of things happening…some true, some false, some unbelievable…we use the following fact checking sites. Snopes - https://www.snopes.com/ FactCheck.org - https://www.factcheck.org/ Politifact - https://www.politifact.com/RealClearPolitics - https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ Because media can have its own biases, we also rely upon these sites to help us get balanced coverage:Media Bias/Fact Check - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/All Sides - https://www.allsides.com/unbiased-balanced-newsAd Fontes Media Bias Chart - https://app.adfontesmedia.com/chart/interactive Meet Lamar and TomLamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions. Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics? Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at [email protected] and [email protected]:Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom KlausImages by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AIFinal review and approval by Jake and Ebie Dawgs Inc. Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, All Rights Reserved. For permissions or additional information: [email protected] and https://www.rothimages.com/Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. © 2025. All Rights Reserved. Permissions: [email protected]. No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed.Help us grow our audience by sharing this post. It is public and can be shared without obligation or cost. Thanks!Recorded October 16, 2025 using Riverside.fm - http://riverside.fm/ - from “home studio” locations in Maryland, Kansas, and Iowa, USA; Original Publishing Date, October 28, 2025.
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  • S3E20 Too Much Culture War, Not Enough Kitchen Table
    Lamar and Tom talk with Senator Ethan Corson about his decision to run for Governor the State of Kansas. Ethan emphasizes the importance of bipartisan leadership and staying focused on the everyday issues that matter to families. He shares insights on maintaining civility in political campaigns, the significance of community colleges, and his vision for making Kansas an affordable state. Throughout the discussion, Ethan Corson highlights the value of kindness and mentorship in politics as he reflects on his own path into politics. His own experience highlights the importance of fostering positive engagement with the next generation.Learn more: Ethan’s Kitchen Table Campaign Ad: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QBerwoq1ovk⁠ To learn more about how Republican colleagues view Ethan Corson, see: ⁠https://pro.stateaffairs.com/ks/elections/ethan-corson-kansas-governor⁠  Or download and read here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AfU1f3Q7IKAttNR-Ua4z_e7MKm7B7hTw/view?usp=sharing Meet Ethan Corson (Wikipedia)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethan_Corson Ethan Corson Campaign Website https://www.ethanforkansas.com/aboutSenator Ethan Corson at the Kansas Statehouse https://www.kslegislature.gov/li/b2025_26/members/sen_corson_ethan_1/ A 3rd Space Survey: Acts of KindnessInspired by our recent conversation with Joolz Casey of #behumankind are now inviting listeners/viewers to participate in our ongoing “Acts of Kindness” poll. You can participate by answering two simple questions: What is an act of kindness you’ve received that made a difference to you? What is an act of kindness you have done which you hope changed another person’s life?You can participate through a Google Forms poll at this link: https://forms.gle/5NQakn6bgeXpm2us5 How We Check OurselvesFact Checking: Because there are a lot of things happening…some true, some false, some unbelievable…we use the following fact checking sites. Take a look for yourself:Snopes - https://www.snopes.com/ FactCheck.org - https://www.factcheck.org/ Politifact - https://www.politifact.com/RealClearPolitics - https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ Because media can have its own biases, we also rely upon these sites to help us get balanced coverage:Media Bias/Fact Check - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/All Sides - https://www.allsides.com/unbiased-balanced-newsAd Fontes Media Bias Chart - https://app.adfontesmedia.com/chart/interactive Meet Lamar and TomLamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions. Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics? Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at [email protected] and [email protected]:Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom KlausImages by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AIFinal review and approval by Jake and Ebie Dawgs Inc. Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, All Rights Reserved. For permissions or additional information: [email protected] and https://www.rothimages.com/Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. © 2025. All Rights Reserved. Permissions: [email protected]. No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed.Recorded September 16, 2025 using Riverside.fm - http://riverside.fm/ - from “home studio” locations in Maryland and Kansas, USA; Original Publishing Date, October 14, 2025.
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  • S3E19 Live on Tape from Frederick, MD
    About this EpisodeWhat happens when two Hawkeyes get together in person? Well, there are some are stupid jokes as well as good conversation. Join Lamar & Tom for a Getting to 3rd Space episode from Tom's home studio. Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus recorded this episode in person in Tom’s Frederick, Maryland home studio. They talked about Lamar’s experience with a new (and very small) camper he and his spouse used to camp en route from Kansas. Lamar pulls off a golf joke with Tom and Tom flubs a joke with Lamar. They talk about a couple places they visited during Lamar’s stay and challenges with GPS vs. Google Maps. On a more serious note, they discuss the importance of positive dialogue in the face of tragedy and the distinction between debate and dialogue. Before grousing that their day at the Great Frederick Fair is a rain out, Lamar and Tom also explore the role of leadership in decision-making.A 3rd Space Survey: Acts of KindnessInspired by Joolz Casey of #behumankind are now inviting listeners/viewers to participate in our ongoing “Acts of Kindness” poll. You can participate by answering two simple questions: What is an act of kindness you’ve received that made a difference to you? What is an act of kindness you have done which you hope changed another person’s life?You can participate through a Google Forms poll at this link: https://forms.gle/5NQakn6bgeXpm2us5 Learn more: Shepherdstown, West Virginia: https://shepherdstown.info/ Evergreen. Colorado School Shooting: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/colorado-student-shot-2-peers-and-then-himself-at-high-school-authorities-sayCharlie Kirk Assassination: https://www.pbs.org/video/charlie-kirk-murder-backer-1757622641/ The Great Frederick Fair: https://thegreatfrederickfair.com/How We Check OurselvesFact Checking: Because there are a lot of things happening…some true, some false, some unbelievable…we use the following fact checking sites. Take a look for yourself:Snopes - https://www.snopes.com/ FactCheck.org - https://www.factcheck.org/ Politifact - https://www.politifact.com/RealClearPolitics - https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ Because media can have its own biases, we also rely upon these sites to help us get balanced coverage:Media Bias/Fact Check - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/All Sides - https://www.allsides.com/unbiased-balanced-newsAd Fontes Media Bias Chart - https://app.adfontesmedia.com/chart/interactive Meet Lamar and TomLamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions. Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics? Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at [email protected] and [email protected]:Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom KlausImages by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AIFinal review and approval by Jake and Ebie Dawgs Inc. Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, All Rights Reserved. For permissions or additional information: [email protected] and https://www.rothimages.com/Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. © 2025. All Rights Reserved. Permissions: [email protected]. No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed.Recorded September 17, using Riverside.fm - http://riverside.fm/ - from a home studio location in Maryland, USA; Original Publishing Date, September 29, 2025.
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  • S3E18 - A Conversation with Stan "The Man" Martin
    What is the power in a name? How do you have challenging conversations about difficult to break personal habits, even addiction? These are just a couple of things discussed in today’s Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar & Tom. In this conversation, Stan “The Man” Martin discusses his extensive work in community engagement and public health, particularly focusing on the fight against menthol tobacco. Stan is a native son of Buffalo, NY where he continues to live and work today. In this interview he tells Lamar and Tom about the touching origin of his nickname, “Stan the Man.” ThroughHe emphasizes the importance of authentic engagement, listening to community needs, and the impact of marketing on health disparities. Stan shares personal stories and insights on navigating difficult conversations, building collaborative efforts, and the role of kindness in creating positive change within communities.A 3rd Space Survey: Acts of KindnessInspired by our recent conversation with Joolz Casey of #behumankind are now inviting listeners/viewers to participate in our ongoing “Acts of Kindness” poll. You can participate by answering two simple questions: What is an act of kindness you’ve received that made a difference to you? What is an act of kindness you have done which you hope changed another person’s life?You can participate through a Google Forms poll at this link: https://forms.gle/5NQakn6bgeXpm2us5 Learn more: Stan “The Man” Martin’s website: https://www.stanmartinconsulting.com/How the tobacco industry targeted Black Americans with menthol smokes: https://www.npr.org/2022/04/29/1095291808/tobacco-industry-targeted-black-americans-with-menthols The Master Settlement Agreement (with tobacco companies): https://www.naag.org/our-work/naag-center-for-tobacco-and-public-health/the-master-settlement-agreement/ Congress Investigates Tobacco Industry: https://www.c-span.org/program/congress-investigates/tobacco-industry/6388582022 Buffalo Shooting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Buffalo_shooting How We Check OurselvesFact Checking: Because there are a lot of things happening…some true, some false, some unbelievable…we use the following fact checking sites. Take a look for yourself:Snopes - https://www.snopes.com/ FactCheck.org - https://www.factcheck.org/ Politifact - https://www.politifact.com/RealClearPolitics - https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ Because media can have its own biases, we also rely upon these sites to help us get balanced coverage:Media Bias/Fact Check - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/All Sides - https://www.allsides.com/unbiased-balanced-newsAd Fontes Media Bias Chart - https://app.adfontesmedia.com/chart/interactive Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions. Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics? Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at [email protected] and [email protected]:Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom KlausImages by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AIFinal review and approval by Jake and Ebie Dawgs Inc. Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, All Rights Reserved. For permissions or additional information: [email protected] and https://www.rothimages.com/Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. © 2025. All Rights Reserved. Permissions: [email protected]. No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed.Recorded August 6, 2025 using Riverside.fm - http://riverside.fm/ - from “home studio” locations in Maryland and Kansas, USA and Buffalo, NY; Original Publishing Date, September 15, 2025. 
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"Third Space" is a space where two or more people with differing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. In this podcast two lifelong friends, Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus, carve out a Third Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom features an exploration of how to talk with one another about significant, even controversial, issues with grace and humor. Occasionally Lamar & Tom will welcome guests to the show.
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