Bitcoin Magazine Podcast

Real estate is the largest asset class in the world at $300–500 trillion, and Leon Wankum says Bitcoin won't just overtake it, it will outgrow it. The real estate operator and author of Digital Real Estate joins Spencer Nichols on the Bitcoin Magazine Podcast to explain why real estate only became money after 1971, why 80–90% of its value is monetary premium rather than utility, and why that premium is migrating to Bitcoin the way information migrated to the internet. He lays out his $1,000 trillion base case, a price path to $1 million by the late 2030s, and why it's now financially smarter to rent and buy Bitcoin.

🔶 Host: Spencer Nichols — Bitcoin Magazine
🔶 Leon Wankum — Author of Digital Real Estate

📖 Get your copy of Digital Real Estate here:
https://store.bitcoinmagazine.com/collections/books/products/digital-real-estate

Chapters:
0:00 Why $1,000 Trillion Is the Base Case for Bitcoin
1:44 From Rome to Nixon: How Real Estate Became Money After 1971
3:53 Leverage, Cash Flow and Why Most Real Estate Deals Don't Work Right Now
6:24 Real Estate Is a $300–500 Trillion Market and Bitcoin Will Outgrow It
9:11 Collateral Doesn't Need Cash Flow: Bitcoin's 50% CAGR vs. Real Estate's 4–6%
12:22 Why Bitcoin's Four-Year Cycles and Volatility Are a Feature for Collateral
15:46 Rent and Buy Bitcoin: How the Monetary Premium Migrates Out of Real Estate
20:30 The Digital Real Estate Playbook: Sell, Accumulate, Refinance, Dual Collateral
25:34 Bitcoin Treasury Preferreds at 15% vs. Rental Property and the Future of Interest Rates
30:33 Bitcoin to $1 Million by the Late 2030s

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DISCLAIMER: The views and opinions expressed in this show are those of the participants and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of BTC Inc., Bitcoin Magazine, or any affiliated entities. This content is provided for informational and educational purposes only and should not be construed as investment, legal, tax, or accounting advice. Nothing contained in this show constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer to buy or sell any securities or financial instruments. Viewers should consult their own advisors before making financial or business decisions.

Grace Remington and Sean Hagan break down the #BTCMarketOutlook, #Macro, and #Derivatives on #BitcoinMagazine TV (BMTV). Live Monday through Friday at 9:30am ET.

Guests:
Peter Bain — Chief Marketing Officer, Blockstream
Rob Massey — Partner & Global Tax Leader, Blockchain & Digital Assets, Deloitte
Allard Peng — Research & Insights Analyst, Bitcoin for Corporations
and more!

To learn more and get the latest news on BMTV, visit: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/bmtv

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DISCLAIMER: The views and opinions expressed in this show are those of the participants and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of BTC Inc., Bitcoin Magazine, or any affiliated entities. This content is provided for informational and educational purposes only and should not be construed as investment, legal, tax, or accounting advice. Nothing contained in this show constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer to buy or sell any securities or financial instruments. Viewers should consult their own advisors before making financial or business decisions.

Grace Remington and Sean Hagan break down #BTCMacro risks, the #MidtermElections, and #WhyBitcoinWins on #BitcoinMagazine TV (BMTV). Live Monday through Friday at 9:30am ET.

Guests:
Mike McGlone – Senior Commodity Strategist, Bloomberg Intelligence
Mason Lynaugh – Executive Director, Stand With Crypto
Parker Lewis – Head of Business Development, Zaprite
and more!

To learn more and get the latest news on BMTV, visit: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/bmtv

Thank you to our BMTV Founding Sponsors! 🎺

🟩 Cash App: For a limited time, new customers can get $21 added to their balance. Just use the code BMTV21 when you sign up, and send at least $5 to a friend in the first two weeks. Terms apply. Bitcoin services by Block, Inc. See the Bitcoin disclosures at cash.app/legal/podcast.

Bitcoin services are provided by Block, Inc. Bitcoin services are not licensable activity in all U.S. states and territories, and not all services are available in all states. Bitkey is not available in New York. Block, Inc. operates in New York as Block of Delaware and is licensed to engage in virtual currency business activity by the New York State Department of Financial Services. Bitcoin is a non-deposit, non-bank product that is not FDIC insured and involves risk, including monetary loss. For additional information, see the Bitcoin disclosures (https://help.cash.app/btcdisclosures). #cashapppartner

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🔑 Bitkey: Download Bitkey today and use our promo code BMTV to get 10% off the second-generation Bitkey at https://bitkey.world/BMTV. This episode is sponsored by Bitkey. #bitkeypartner

🧂SALT Lending: Don't sell your Bitcoin. Borrow against it.
BMTV viewers borrow from 6.99% APR, a half point below SALT's standard 7.49%. No credit check, no origination fees, no prepayment fees.

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SALT loans are originated by SALT Lending LLC (f/k/a SALT Master Fund II, LLC), NMLS 1711910. Borrowing against collateral involves risk. Not available in all jurisdictions. Digital currency is not legal tender and is not FDIC or SIPC insured. Terms: https://saltlending.com/terms-of-use/ #saltpartner

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🟦 UTXO Management is a Bitcoin-native asset manager investing across Bitcoin’s public and private markets, from liquid securities to venture to digital credit. #UTXOpartner

Disclaimer: For informational purposes only. Not an offer to sell or a solicitation of an offer to buy any securities. UTXO Management is a subsidiary of Nakamoto Inc. (NASDAQ: NAKA).

🟠 VerifiedX: Discover how VerifiedX and vBTC are turning Bitcoin into programmable financial infrastructure — built for payments, trading, borrowing, lending, treasury management and more, all while preserving self-custody and native Bitcoin redemption. #verifiedxpartner

Explore the future of Bitcoin utility at https://verifiedx.io

🟪 Stand with Crypto: Check your registration, find your state's deadline, and see where your candidates stand on crypto in one place: https://www.standwithcrypto.org/vote?utm_source=swc&utm_medium=influencer&utm_campaign=person058

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DISCLAIMER: The views and opinions expressed in this show are those of the participants and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of BTC Inc., Bitcoin Magazine, or any affiliated entities. This content is provided for informational and educational purposes only and should not be construed as investment, legal, tax, or accounting advice. Nothing contained in this show constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer to buy or sell any securities or financial instruments. Viewers should consult their own advisors before making financial or business decisions.

Grace Remington and Sean Hagan break down #BTCMarketData, #OnChainIntelligence, and #BitcoinInfrastructure on #BitcoinMagazine TV (BMTV). Live Monday through Friday at 9:30am ET.

Guests:
Matt Crosby – Lead Analyst, Bitcoin Magazine Pro
Maria Pesce – Head of Bitcoin Marketing, Block
Miguel Morel – Founder & CEO, Arkham Intelligence
and more!

To learn more and get the latest news on BMTV, visit: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/bmtv

Thank you to our BMTV Founding Sponsors! 🎺

🟩 Cash App: For a limited time, new customers can get $21 added to their balance. Just use the code BMTV21 when you sign up, and send at least $5 to a friend in the first two weeks. Terms apply. Bitcoin services by Block, Inc. See the Bitcoin disclosures at cash.app/legal/podcast.

Bitcoin services are provided by Block, Inc. Bitcoin services are not licensable activity in all U.S. states and territories, and not all services are available in all states. Bitkey is not available in New York. Block, Inc. operates in New York as Block of Delaware and is licensed to engage in virtual currency business activity by the New York State Department of Financial Services. Bitcoin is a non-deposit, non-bank product that is not FDIC insured and involves risk, including monetary loss. For additional information, see the Bitcoin disclosures (https://help.cash.app/btcdisclosures). #cashapppartner

🔲 Square: Get up to $200 off Square hardware when you sign up at http://square.com/go/bmtv! #squarepartner Offer expires December 31, 2026 at 11:59 pm PST.

Offer for $40 off the cost of one Square Stand, $75 off the cost of one Square Terminal, $100 off the cost of one Square Handheld, or $200 off the cost of one Square Register, excluding applicable taxes. Limited to one discount per product type per seller account. Each code is limited to one redemption per account holder. Valid for new Square customers located in the US only. Offer not valid with guest checkout. Square reserves the right to modify, revoke or cancel the offer at any time. Offer cannot be combined with any other coupon. Void where prohibited, not redeemable for cash, and non-transferable. #squarepartner #blockpartner

🔑 Bitkey: Download Bitkey today and use our promo code BMTV to get 10% off the second-generation Bitkey at https://bitkey.world/BMTV. This episode is sponsored by Bitkey. #bitkeypartner

🧂SALT Lending: Don't sell your Bitcoin. Borrow against it.
BMTV viewers borrow from 6.99% APR, a half point below SALT's standard 7.49%. No credit check, no origination fees, no prepayment fees.

The original Bitcoin-backed lender, lending against BTC since 2016.

GET YOUR BMTV OFFER: https://saltlending.com/bmtv/?utm_source=bmtv&utm_medium=youtube&utm_campaign=bmtv_offer
SALT is the official Liquidity Sponsor of BMTV.

SALT loans are originated by SALT Lending LLC (f/k/a SALT Master Fund II, LLC), NMLS 1711910. Borrowing against collateral involves risk. Not available in all jurisdictions. Digital currency is not legal tender and is not FDIC or SIPC insured. Terms: https://saltlending.com/terms-of-use/ #saltpartner

🎙️ Plaud: Visit plaud at https://plaud.ai/BMTV and use code BMTV for 10% off. #plaudpartner

🟦 UTXO Management is a Bitcoin-native asset manager investing across Bitcoin’s public and private markets, from liquid securities to venture to digital credit. #UTXOpartner

Disclaimer: For informational purposes only. Not an offer to sell or a solicitation of an offer to buy any securities. UTXO Management is a subsidiary of Nakamoto Inc. (NASDAQ: NAKA).

🟠 VerifiedX: Discover how VerifiedX and vBTC are turning Bitcoin into programmable financial infrastructure — built for payments, trading, borrowing, lending, treasury management and more, all while preserving self-custody and native Bitcoin redemption. #verifiedxpartner

Explore the future of Bitcoin utility at https://verifiedx.io

🟪 Stand with Crypto: Check your registration, find your state's deadline, and see where your candidates stand on crypto in one place: https://www.standwithcrypto.org/vote?utm_source=swc&utm_medium=influencer&utm_campaign=person058

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DISCLAIMER: The views and opinions expressed in this show are those of the participants and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of BTC Inc., Bitcoin Magazine, or any affiliated entities. This content is provided for informational and educational purposes only and should not be construed as investment, legal, tax, or accounting advice. Nothing contained in this show constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer to buy or sell any securities or financial instruments. Viewers should consult their own advisors before making financial or business decisions.

Grace Remington and Sean Hagan break down the #SatsIPO, the #BitcoinElection outlook, and #NationStateAdoption on #BitcoinMagazine TV (BMTV). Live Monday through Friday at 9:30am ET.

Guests:
Eleanor Terrett – Co-host, Crypto In America
Samson Mow – CEO, JAN3
Jeff Walton – Chief Risk Officer, Strive
and more!

To learn more and get the latest news on BMTV, visit: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/bmtv

Thank you to our BMTV Founding Sponsors! 🎺

🟩 Cash App: For a limited time, new customers can get $21 added to their balance. Just use the code BMTV21 when you sign up, and send at least $5 to a friend in the first two weeks. Terms apply. Bitcoin services by Block, Inc. See the Bitcoin disclosures at cash.app/legal/podcast.

Bitcoin services are provided by Block, Inc. Bitcoin services are not licensable activity in all U.S. states and territories, and not all services are available in all states. Bitkey is not available in New York. Block, Inc. operates in New York as Block of Delaware and is licensed to engage in virtual currency business activity by the New York State Department of Financial Services. Bitcoin is a non-deposit, non-bank product that is not FDIC insured and involves risk, including monetary loss. For additional information, see the Bitcoin disclosures (https://help.cash.app/btcdisclosures). #cashapppartner

🔲 Square: Get up to $200 off Square hardware when you sign up at http://square.com/go/bmtv! #squarepartner Offer expires December 31, 2026 at 11:59 pm PST.

Offer for $40 off the cost of one Square Stand, $75 off the cost of one Square Terminal, $100 off the cost of one Square Handheld, or $200 off the cost of one Square Register, excluding applicable taxes. Limited to one discount per product type per seller account. Each code is limited to one redemption per account holder. Valid for new Square customers located in the US only. Offer not valid with guest checkout. Square reserves the right to modify, revoke or cancel the offer at any time. Offer cannot be combined with any other coupon. Void where prohibited, not redeemable for cash, and non-transferable. #squarepartner #blockpartner

🔑 Bitkey: Download Bitkey today and use our promo code BMTV to get 10% off the second-generation Bitkey at https://bitkey.world/BMTV. This episode is sponsored by Bitkey. #bitkeypartner

🧂SALT Lending: Don't sell your Bitcoin. Borrow against it.
BMTV viewers borrow from 6.99% APR, a half point below SALT's standard 7.49%. No credit check, no origination fees, no prepayment fees.

The original Bitcoin-backed lender, lending against BTC since 2016.

GET YOUR BMTV OFFER: https://saltlending.com/bmtv/?utm_source=bmtv&utm_medium=youtube&utm_campaign=bmtv_offer
SALT is the official Liquidity Sponsor of BMTV.

SALT loans are originated by SALT Lending LLC (f/k/a SALT Master Fund II, LLC), NMLS 1711910. Borrowing against collateral involves risk. Not available in all jurisdictions. Digital currency is not legal tender and is not FDIC or SIPC insured. Terms: https://saltlending.com/terms-of-use/ #saltpartner

🎙️ Plaud: Visit plaud at https://plaud.ai/BMTV and use code BMTV for 10% off. #plaudpartner

🟦 UTXO Management is a Bitcoin-native asset manager investing across Bitcoin’s public and private markets, from liquid securities to venture to digital credit. #UTXOpartner

Disclaimer: For informational purposes only. Not an offer to sell or a solicitation of an offer to buy any securities. UTXO Management is a subsidiary of Nakamoto Inc. (NASDAQ: NAKA).

🟠 VerifiedX: Discover how VerifiedX and vBTC are turning Bitcoin into programmable financial infrastructure — built for payments, trading, borrowing, lending, treasury management and more, all while preserving self-custody and native Bitcoin redemption. #verifiedxpartner

Explore the future of Bitcoin utility at https://verifiedx.io

🟪 Stand with Crypto: Check your registration, find your state's deadline, and see where your candidates stand on crypto in one place: https://www.standwithcrypto.org/vote?utm_source=swc&utm_medium=influencer&utm_campaign=person058

#Bitcoin #BitcoinMagazine #BMTV #BTCInc #SATS #Strive #BitcoinElection #NationStateAdoption #EleanorTerrett #CryptoInAmerica #SamsonMow #JAN3 #JeffWalton #DigitalCredit #Midterms

DISCLAIMER: The views and opinions expressed in this show are those of the participants and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of BTC Inc., Bitcoin Magazine, or any affiliated entities. This content is provided for informational and educational purposes only and should not be construed as investment, legal, tax, or accounting advice. Nothing contained in this show constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer to buy or sell any securities or financial instruments. Viewers should consult their own advisors before making financial or business decisions.