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Some conversations are worth revisiting and sharing. In this special guest drop, we hand the mic to a friend of the show: trumpeter and composer Dave Douglas, who has appeared on The Late Set and whose Greenleaf Music podcast, A Noise From the Deep, is one we never miss. Here, Douglas sits down with master drummer Andrew Cyrille to discuss Lebroba, Cyrille’s ECM album with Wadada Leo Smith and Bill Frisell.




Cyrille also reflects on his Brooklyn beginnings, his first recording date with Coleman Hawkins, and his 11 years in the Cecil Taylor Unit. We’re especially excited to share this conversation at a time when Cyrille has two fine new albums: Trio Imagination and the forthcoming Drum Stories.




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Chapters


00:00 — Welcome: Josh Jackson & Nate Chinen

01:15 — Andrew Cyrille's big year & “Freeway” from Drum Stories

06:20 — Dave Douglas and Andrew Cyrille on A Noise From the Deep

10:00 — “Pretty Beauty” & recording Lebroba

18:30 — Learning by ear & a first date with Coleman Hawkins

24:15 — Coming up in Brooklyn: Louis Hayes, Max Roach & Philly Joe Jones

30:45 — Cyrille's Haitian roots

35:45 — “Lebroba”: Leland, Brooklyn & Baltimore

44:20 — What makes good music

52:40 — 11 years with Cecil Taylor

1:07:40 — Time, rhythm & “TGD”

1:13:00 — “Time to Dig”




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Sound and spirit are inseparable in the music of Kenny Garrett. A saxophonist who served a series of heavyweight apprenticeships, most notably with Miles Davis, Garrett now stands as a jazz elder himself — one who continues his search for knowledge.




Several years ago, around the time of his album Sounds from the Ancestors, Garrett performed on the campus of Temple University. He sat down with Josh Jackson for a conversation about musical lineage, mentorship, and the lessons that keep the music moving forward. We’re thrilled to bring you that conversation as a bonus episode.




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Chapters


00:00 — We're Signal Awards finalists

01:35 — Bonus episode: Kenny Garrett at Temple

05:10 — Coltrane's Philadelphia & playing soprano saxophone

07:45 — Roy Hargrove & Sounds from the Ancestors

10:10 — Feeling the ancestors on the bandstand

15:05 — Lessons from Miles Davis

17:35 — Mentors, monuments & honoring elders

25:00 — The pandemic: how to stop the train

27:40 — Passing it on beyond the academy

35:40 — What does it mean to live with music?

37:20 — “This I Dig”

42:20 — Credits




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The Myth We Chose, the entrancing new album by South African pianist Nduduzo Makhathini, foregrounds hope and healing, and a conviction in the redemptive power of connection. It’s a song-forward statement for Makhathini, who is also a composer, vocalist, philosopher, and ambassador for the Global South.




This summer, he brought his trio to Solar Myth ahead of an appearance at the Newport Jazz Festival. On the first of two nights, he joined Josh Jackson for an onstage conversation about ritual, responsibility, and why he prefers the term “encounter” to “discovery” when describing a person’s formative contact with improvised music.



Chapters


00:00 — Intro: South African jazz

05:00 — Zulu language, myth & musicality

11:30 — Music education, colonialism & Indigenous knowledge

15:30 — Growing up during apartheid

21:00 — Encountering John Coltrane & the roots of jazz

23:30 — The identity and sound of South African jazz

28:45 — Collective memory & the African diaspora

35:15 — Myth, ancestral memory & sonic creation

38:15 — Ndu cosmology, time & musical continuity

41:00 — Artificial intelligence, knowledge & human experience

45:15 — Nate and Josh on music, healing & ancestral knowledge

49:30 — “This I Dig”

53:15 — South African music, cultural boycotts & current debates

56:15 — Closing credits




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John Coltrane’s centennial has brought a flurry of tributes and testimonials, along with archival discoveries.
At WRTI, we’re gearing up for “A Love Park Supreme,” a weeklong celebration in the city that Coltrane called home.
And here at The Late Set, we’re doing what we do best: digging into an enlightened conversation.




Our guest is Peabody Award-winning oral historian and producer Steve Rowland, creator of the five-hour audio documentary
Tell Me How Long Trane's Been Gone, which is rebroadcasting on WRTI the week of Sept. 21, one hour at a time.
Rowland, an alumnus of Temple University and WRTI, has incisive things to say about Coltrane’s spiritual quest and creative legacy,
and how we can best remember him today.



Chapters


00:00 — Intro: Coltrane 100 Philly

06:30 — Steve Rowland joins the show

10:30 — Philadelphia roots & building the documentary

13:00 — Early life, faith & the August Bloom tape

24:30 — Bebop, addiction & the road to A Love Supreme

27:30 — A Love Supreme: Psalm, poetry & the saxophone-as-voice

34:00 — Alabama, civil rights & the Black Arts Movement

46:00 — Material world, spirit world & art as the bridge

49:30 — The Coltrane houses & life with Alice

1:02:00 — Legacy & takeaways




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Jazz radio has never had a better friend than Rhonda Hamilton. During a broadcasting career spanning nearly 50 years,
she’s brought the music to a worldwide audience with her trademark warmth, integrity and composure.




This year she received a fitting honor: the A.B. Spellman NEA Jazz Masters Fellowship for Jazz Advocacy,
which she’ll formally receive on Sept. 15 during a gala concert at Walt Disney Hall in Los Angeles.
She’ll be in fine company there: the 2026 class of honorees also includes drummer and percussionist Airto Moreira;
keyboardist, vocalist and producer Patrice Rushen; and singer, songwriter and bandleader Carmen Lundy.




Rhonda is now on the air at KKJZ-FM in Southern California, but during her longtime tenure at Newark Public Radio,
she worked with Josh Jackson, Nate Chinen and our producer, Alex Ariff. We were all delighted to reconnect with her
in a conversation brimming with insights from one of our very best.



Chapters


00:00 — Coltrane 100 Philly kickoff

02:00 — NEA Jazz Masters & this year's honorees

10:00 — Interview with Rhonda Hamilton

49:00 — Key records & jazz recommendations

55:30 — Dizzy Gillespie dinner story

1:02:30 — “This I Dig”




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