When They Were Making It

In 1949, Billy Wilder sat inside a theatre in Evanston, Illinois, and watched his new film, Sunset Boulevard, fall apart in front of its first audience.
Wilder had made a picture about the stars Hollywood had abandoned, the illusions it had created, and the cruelty beneath its glamorous surface. But instead of being unsettled by what they saw, the audience was laughing — and the film that would become Hollywood's darkest portrait of itself seemed in danger of collapsing before anyone had truly seen it.
This episode goes behind the scenes of Sunset Boulevard — the film Billy Wilder conceived not as a love letter to Hollywood, but as an autopsy report. It traces the film from its dangerous beginnings: Wilder's collapsing writing partnership with Charles Brackett, a screenplay kept deliberately vague from Paramount, and a story about Hollywood that few established stars were willing to touch.
It follows the search for Norma Desmond — the forgotten silent-film goddess still waiting for her return to the screen. Greta Garbo refused. Mary Pickford was considered. Mae West was above it. Then Gloria Swanson returned to Paramount, the studio she had once ruled, to play a woman who could not accept that Hollywood had moved on without her.
The episode traces the last-minute casting of William Holden, brought in only weeks before filming began, and Erich von Stroheim, the director whose unfinished epic with Swanson had helped damage both of their careers, now reuniting with her more than twenty years later. Around them, Hollywood's past stepped in front of the camera: Cecil B. DeMille as himself, Buster Keaton among the forgotten silent stars at Norma's card table, and the ghost of Rudolph Valentino lingering over her mansion.
And it follows the film to the edge of disaster — preview audiences laughing through the whole thing, an entire sequence abandoned, and a dead man returned to a freezing swimming pool so the picture could begin again. Then came the private screening for Hollywood itself: Barbara Stanwyck kneeling before Gloria Swanson, Louis B. Mayer erupting at Billy Wilder, and a confrontation that became movie-business legend.
Sunset Boulevard received eleven Academy Award nominations, setting up a head-to-head showdown with All About Eve on Oscar night. In time, its images and lines would become inseparable from Hollywood mythology: the staircase, the close-up, and the faded star insisting that she was still big — it was the pictures that had grown small.
This is the story of Sunset Boulevard — and how, before it became one of Hollywood's most enduring portraits of fame, ambition, and delusion, it was a film audiences laughed at, studio executives recoiled from, and Hollywood almost didn't know what to do with.

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When They Were Making It is written, produced, and hosted by Patrick Rankin. Original artwork by Simone Beech and original music by Lionel Ziblat.
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Mae West shook up Depression-era Hollywood with a persona unlike anything American audiences had seen before — sexually confident, unapologetically funny, and always in control. She became one of the biggest stars in the country, only to face increasingly strict censorship from the same industry that had embraced her.
This episode of WTWMI follows the rise, fall, and reinvention of Mae West — from her working-class childhood in Brooklyn and years in vaudeville to the Broadway scandals, Hollywood triumphs, censorship battles, and late-career returns that made her an American institution.
It traces the creation of her famous persona through Sex, The Drag, and Diamond Lil, her arrest and jail sentence, her arrival at Paramount, and the enormous success of She Done Him Wrong and I'm No Angel. It also follows her battles with Joseph Breen and the Production Code, the radio performance that got her banned from NBC, her years away from Hollywood, and her later appearances in Myra Breckinridge and Sextette.
This is the story of the woman who wrote herself into stardom, turned innuendo into an art form and a business, and redefined what female sexuality could look like on the American stage and screen.

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When They Were Making It is written, produced, and hosted by Patrick Rankin. Original artwork by Simone Beech and original music by Lionel Ziblat.
Join WTWMI: The Backlot — our Patreon — for exclusive extras including mini and full-length bonus episodes, episode companion pieces, and behind-the-scenes materials at https://www.patreon.com/WhenTheyWereMakingIt.

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By 1970, Hollywood had decided Marlon Brando was finished.
He had gone more than a decade without a major hit. His films lost money. His reputation had become almost impossible to insure. He was deep in debt, increasingly isolated, and more interested in escaping to his island in Tahiti than proving anything to the industry that had once crowned him its greatest actor.
Then came The Godfather.
Part 3 of our three-part series on Marlon Brando follows one of the most extraordinary reversals in Hollywood history — from the actor Paramount refused to cast as Don Corleone to the performance that returned him, almost overnight, to the height of his power.
It traces the making and enormous success of The Godfather, before following Brando into the deeply personal and emotionally exposed Last Tango in Paris — a film built partly from his childhood, his parents, his grief, and the parts of himself he would later feel he had revealed too completely. It also examines the film's complicated legacy, Maria Schneider's experience, and the decisions made by Brando and director Bernardo Bertolucci behind the camera.
As Hollywood attempted to celebrate his return, Brando remained as resistant to the industry as ever. His refusal of the Academy Award for The Godfather, delivered through Sacheen Littlefeather in protest of Hollywood's treatment of Native Americans and the occupation at Wounded Knee, became one of the most controversial moments in Oscar history.
From there, the episode follows Brando through Superman, Apocalypse Now, retirement, his return for A Dry White Season, and the increasingly chaotic final decades of his career.
It also explores the tragedies that overtook the Brando family: the fatal shooting of Dag Drollet by Brando's eldest son, Christian Brando; Christian's manslaughter conviction and imprisonment; and the devastating final years of Brando's daughter Cheyenne. The case exposed the instability, absence, conflict, and complicated love that had shaped Brando's sprawling family for decades — and permanently severed his connection to Tahiti and Tetiaroa, the island he had imagined as his escape from Hollywood.
This is the story of Marlon Brando's return to the top — and of the long, complicated years that followed after he had nothing left to prove, but could never entirely escape the consequences of the life he had built.
Parts 1 and 2 of our Marlon Brando series are out now.

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When They Were Making It is written, produced, and hosted by Patrick Rankin. Original artwork by Simone Beech and original music by Lionel Ziblat.
Join WTWMI: The Backlot — our Patreon — for exclusive extras including mini and full-length bonus episodes, episode companion pieces, and behind-the-scenes materials at https://www.patreon.com/WhenTheyWereMakingIt.

For episode information, show notes, upcoming episodes, and more, visit whentheyweremakingit.com.
Follow WTWMI on Instagram and TikTok: @whentheyweremakingit. On Instagram, we share visual companion pieces for every episode, bringing the images, people, places, and atmosphere behind the story to life.
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By the end of the 1950s, Marlon Brando had everything he had spent his career fighting for. An Oscar. Money. Power. His own production company. And the freedom to make films on his own terms.
Then he began discovering what complete freedom could cost.
Part 2 of our three-part series on Marlon Brando follows what came after Hollywood crowned the actor who changed movie acting — from Guys and Dolls and Sayonara to One-Eyed Jacks, the Western he took over from Stanley Kubrick and directed himself, and Mutiny on the Bounty, the troubled epic that helped transform his reputation from difficult genius into box-office liability.
It also follows a personal life becoming increasingly complicated: his marriage to Anna Kashfi, the custody battle over their son Christian, his relationships with Rita Moreno, Movita Castaneda, and Tarita Teriipaia, and Tahiti — the place where Brando began imagining a life beyond Hollywood.
As his career declined, his political activism deepened. Through his friendship with James Baldwin, the March on Washington, the civil-rights movement, and his growing commitment to Native American rights, Brando began searching beyond acting for the sense of purpose fame had never given him.
By the end of the 1960s, the actor once hailed as the future of Hollywood had become box-office poison.
Hollywood had decided Marlon Brando was finished.
Then came Don Corleone.
Part 3 of our Marlon Brando series — covering Francis Ford Coppola's The Godfather, Last Tango in Paris, his Oscar refusal, Superman, Apocalypse Now, and the long, complicated final decades of his life — releases next Tuesday, July 21.
Part 1 — covering Brando's childhood, his rise on Broadway, A Streetcar Named Desire, The Wild One, and On the Waterfront — is out now.

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When They Were Making It is written, produced, and hosted by Patrick Rankin. Original artwork by Simone Beech and original music by Lionel Ziblat.
Join WTWMI: The Backlot — our Patreon — for exclusive extras including mini and full-length bonus episodes, episode companion pieces, and behind-the-scenes materials at https://www.patreon.com/WhenTheyWereMakingIt.

For episode information, show notes, upcoming episodes, and more, visit whentheyweremakingit.com.
Follow WTWMI on Instagram and TikTok: @whentheyweremakingit. On Instagram, we share visual companion pieces for every episode, bringing the images, people, places, and atmosphere behind the story to life.
New episodes of When They Were Making It drop every Tuesday. Follow now wherever you get your podcasts.

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On December 3, 1947, at the Ethel Barrymore Theatre in New York, a twenty-three-year-old actor in a torn T-shirt walked onto a Broadway stage — and American acting was never the same again.
Before he became Marlon Brando, he was Bud: a restless, wounded kid from Omaha, raised in a house of drinking, silence, violence, and disappearing love. A boy who searched bars for his mother, fought his father, failed school, got expelled, and somehow found, on a stage, the one place where all that sensitivity finally had somewhere to go.
Part 1 of our three-part series on Marlon Brando traces the making of the actor who changed what screen performance could look like — from a hard-drinking Midwest childhood to Stella Adler's classroom in New York, from early Broadway roles to the night A Streetcar Named Desire opened and turned him into the most talked-about young actor in America.
It follows him into Hollywood on his own terms: no studio contract, no long-term deal, one film at a time. The Men. A Streetcar Named Desire on screen. Viva Zapata!. Julius Caesar. The Wild One. And finally, On the Waterfront — the film Elia Kazan built as a defense of informing, and the performance that would win Brando his first Oscar.
It also follows what fame could not fix. His mother Dodie, the open wound he never stopped trying to close. His mentor Kazan, who saw his genius before almost anyone — and then named names before HUAC. And the strange, uneasy fact that by the time Hollywood finally crowned Brando at thirty, the thing it wanted from him was already something he was trying to escape.
This is the story of how a restless, sensitive boy became the most important actor of his generation — and why, at the very height of his early power, he was already ready to burn it all down.
Part 2 of our three-part Marlon Brando series — covering Guys and Dolls, One-Eyed Jacks, Mutiny on the Bounty, his increasingly complicated personal life, his political activism, and the long stretch of commercial failures that left Hollywood convinced his best years were behind him — releases next Tuesday, July 14.
Part 3 — covering The Godfather, Last Tango in Paris, his return to the top, and the long, complicated final decades of his life — follows Tuesday, July 21.

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When They Were Making It is written, produced, and hosted by Patrick Rankin. Original artwork by Simone Beech and original music by Lionel Ziblat.
Join WTWMI: The Backlot — our Patreon — for exclusive extras including mini and full-length bonus episodes, episode companion pieces, and behind-the-scenes materials at https://www.patreon.com/WhenTheyWereMakingIt.

For episode information, show notes, upcoming episodes, and more, visit whentheyweremakingit.com.
Follow WTWMI on Instagram and TikTok: @whentheyweremakingit. On Instagram, we share visual companion pieces for every episode, bringing the images, people, places, and atmosphere behind the story to life.
New episodes of When They Were Making It drop every Tuesday. Follow now wherever you get your podcasts.

★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★