The Evil Tester Show - Software Testing and Development with Attitude

Join Alan Richardson and guest Jerimiah Ham, developer of Quern, as they discuss testing tools, AI in software testing, and Jermiah's new AI mobile tool designed with AI Agents as primary user.

Quern, an open-source, local API and MCP server for working with iOS and Android devices, simulators, and emulators. Quern gives an AI agent access to UI controls, screenshots, logs, and network traffic, turning mobile testing from a sequence of manual setup tasks into a much more observable workflow.

Jeremiah describes the approach as pairing with AI rather than handing over control, using the agent to augment human observation while keeping the tester in the driver’s seat. The episode also looks at turning exploratory interactions into repeatable scripts, the limits of current models, and why mobile testing may be entering a very different kind of workflow.

## Quern - Jerimiah Ham

- [Jerimiah on Linkedin]( https://www.linkedin.com/in/jerimiahham/ )

- Quern Web Site - [quern.dev]( https://quern.dev )

- [Jerimiah's Medium Blog]( https://medium.com/@jerimiahham )

- [Quern Blog post]( https://medium.com/@jerimiahham/i-built-a-debug-server-so-my-ai-agent-could-actually-test-my-ios-app-cf92f341e360 )

- [Jerimiah on Twitter]( https://x.com/querndev?s=11 )

- [Github]( https://github.com/quern-dev/quern )

- [Reddit]( https://www.reddit.com/user/jerimiah797/ )

Join Alan Richardson and guest Rikard Edgren, author of "The Little Black Book of Test Design", as they discuss testing tools, AI in software testing, and Rikard Edgren's innovative browser tool, Trowser. Discover insights on testing approaches, AI’s role, security, and tips to improve your own testing skills. Perfect for testers, developers, and anyone interested in the future of software quality!

- Rikard's Web Site -https://thetesteye.com

- Trowser Download on https://thetesteye.com/blog/publications/

- download [Trowser 1.3 zip https://www.thetesteye.com/code/Trowser.zip

- Trowser Project site - https://trowser.github.io/

- with [issue tracking - https://github.com/Trowser/Trowser/issues

- Watch Trowser Demo on YouTube - https://youtube.com/watch?v=mQnYhafyqks

- Trowser Manual - https://www.thetesteye.com/papers/TamingTheTrowser.pdf

- Download the Little Black Book on Test Design - https://www.thetesteye.com/papers/TheLittleBlackBookOnTestDesign.pdf

A joint episode with the Tech League podcast. A Super Group podcast team up.

Alan Richardson speaks to Toby Sears and Krisztian Fischer about AI and Testing.

This episode is also available as a YouTube video on the Tech League channel, full details in the full show notes link.

This podcast episode is a chat with Dragan Spiridonov who created the Agentic QE fleet. Agentic AI for Quality Engineering. It can work with code, or websites. We will explore Agentic AI, what it means, and how to use it to improve your Software Development and Testing. Also introduce the Agentic QE Fleet and how it augments Claude Code and Claude Flow.

We cover:

- Introduce Dragan Spiridonov and his work

- Introduce Agent Based Testing and Development

- Introduce and explain Agentic QE tooling

- Explain difference between Agentic QE tooling and Base Claude

- How has working on this changed Dragan's view of his skillsets and role

- How to learn: AI, Agentic AI, Agentic QE?

- Lessons learned from building and using AI that we can apply to any AI tooling

- Future of Agentic QE Tooling

- Future of AI in Testing and Development

Links:

- https://forge-quality.dev/

- https://www.linkedin.com/in/dragan-spiridonov/

- https://spiridonovdragan.com/

- https://agentic-qe.dev/

- Overview of Agentic Quality Engineering Fleet: Revolutionizing Software Testing with AI Agents https://video.agentics.org/media/t/1_htfe35tu/370465892

- https://quantum-qe.dev/

- https://github.com/proffesor-for-testing/agentic-qe

- https://github.com/ruvnet/claude-flow

- https://agentics.org/ 

- for video archive https://video.agentics.org

Based on my experience with AI, am I optimistic or pessimistic. I gain huge value from AI during development, but have I managed the same in Testing? And how will the Tester role change, what do we need to do to adapt? I look forward to learning more and describe my next steps.

00:00 - Introduction: Am I an AI Optimist or Pessimist?

02:16 - AI, Jobs, and Management Excuses

06:33 - How AI Changes Our Roles

10:49 - Human Connection vs. AI: Where I Refuse to Use It

16:27 - Building and Using AI Tools for Programming

22:46 - Automation, Testing, and the Human Factor

28:21 - The Future: Agentic AI, Fundamentals, and Looking Forward