Famous and Gravy: Dead celebrity biographies

Gene Hackman won two Oscars and made more than 80 films, and yet his name rarely comes up in discussion of the greatest actors of all time.
Michael Osborne and guest co-host Michael Warburton, a trained actor, think part of the reason is that Hackman might’ve wanted it that way. He avoided interviews and kept his private life to himself. He also got a late start. Gene Hackman was 37 when Bonnie and Clyde made his name, and he kept working for nearly four decades after, through The French Connection, Superman, Hoosiers, Unforgiven and The Royal Tenenbaums.
Part of his greatness is his ability to be both despicable and charming. Popeye Doyle is crude and relentless. Little Bill in Unforgiven runs his town with his fists. Hackman had a real temper, when the cameras were turned off, and still he also has a charisma that was almost hard to explain.
Famous & Gravy is a celebrity biography podcast that asks, “What does this celebrity’s life story show us about ourselves?”
If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like Episode 96 Ranch Dresser (Paul Newman) and Episode 91 Studio Insider (James Lipton).
Famous & Gravy is created by Amit Kapoor and Michael Osborne, and hosted by Michael Osborne. This episode features guest co-host Michael Warburton. Produced by Jacob Weiss, with original music by Kevin Strang.
LINKS:
NYT obituary for Gene Hackman
The Greatest Living American Actor at 85: Gene Hackman Is Retired But Still in Charge (Grantland)
[Gene Hackman on Inside the Actors Studio (2001): URL needed]
Episode 96, Ranch Dresser (Paul Newman)
Episode 91, Studio Insider (James Lipton)
Michael Warburton’s social channels:
Threads: michaelwarburton1
Instagram: michaelwarburton
X: @For_Film_Fans
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For many people, celebrity culture can feel like a superficial spectacle. But what if celebrity culture is actually doing something much more important than most of us realize? Public historian Greg Jenner argues that celebrity culture is where we have many of our moral and ethical debates. Famous people challenge norms, and in some cases they can change the social rules permanently. At the same time, fandom can easily cross over into fanaticism and obsession. So what exactly does it mean to have a healthy relationship with celebrity culture?
Greg hosts the BBC comedy history podcast You’re Dead to Me and is the author of Dead Famous: An Unexpected History of Celebrity. In this Extra Gravy episode, he joins Michael to make the case that celebrity culture stretches back at least three centuries and has helped shape the modern world.
Famous & Gravy is a celebrity biography podcast that asks, “What does a celebrity’s life story show us about ourselves?” If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like Episode 45 Rebel Rebel (David Bowie) and Episode 99 Crikey Inner Child (Steve Irwin).
This episode was produced by Morgan Honaker. Special thanks to Maggie Taylor.
LINKS:
Greg Jenner’s Dead Famous
You’re Dead to Me on Apple Podcasts
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Dolly Parton built one of the most impressive careers in American history, and in many ways she may be the perfect celebrity. She was a singer, songwriter, actor, businesswoman, and philanthropist whose public image was carefully constructed and nevertheless authentic. Her influence stretched from country music and Hollywood to Dollywood and the Imagination Library, while her appeal crossed political, racial, religious, regional, and generational lines.
In this special Dolly Parton Day episode, Michael Osborne is joined by Nichelle Carr, Sara Murphy, and John Watts to ask how exactly Dolly achieved such extraordinary appeal. They examine the boundaries she drew between her public persona and private life, her expansive faith, her financial ambition, and her practice of generosity and forgiveness. Ultimately, the conversation considers whether Dolly’s greatest legacy was not simply what she created, but the way she used celebrity itself to make people feel recognized, included, and loved.
Famous & Gravy is a celebrity biography podcast that asks, “What does this celebrity’s life story show us about ourselves?”
If you enjoyed this episode, you might also enjoy Episode 87 “Simply the Best” (Tina Turner) and Episode 120 "Crazy Sane" (Waylon Jennings)
Famous & Gravy is created and hosted by Michael Osborne. This episode features guest cohosts Nichelle Carr, Sara Murphy, and John Watts, with additional contributions from Jennifer Keishin Armstrong and Morgan Honaker. It was produced by Morgan Honaker, with original music by Kevin Strang.
LINKS:
• Give Like Dolly Day on September 25
• Dolly Parton’s Imagination Library
• “Sad Ass Songs,” the first episode of Dolly Parton’s America
• Jennifer Keishen Armstrong's substack "Dolly Parton and Leslie Knope"
• Barbara Walters interviews Dolly Parton in 1977
• Dolly Parton’s 2009 interview with Charlie Rose
• Dolly Parton’s classic 2001 Fresh Air interview with Terry Gross
• Dolly Parton and Patti LaBelle make music with their acrylic nails
• “Dolly Parton Built a Better World, with Rhinestones and Songs” from the Associated Press
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For the first time ever on the Famous & Gravy podcast, we’re featuring a dead celebrity who does NOT have New York Times obituary. We hope to change that. To the extent that Bill Hicks was famous, at least in America, his fame was posthumous. Michael Osborne and producer Jacob Weiss dive into the backstory and explore just how close he came to breakout success – and how his legacy still looms large more than 30 years later. Hicks got sober in 1988, he kept a fatal diagnosis from almost everyone who loved him, and managed to leave an indelible legacy despite dying at age 32
Famous & Gravy is a celebrity biography podcast that asks, "What does this celebrity's life story show us about ourselves?" If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like Episode 92 "Acerbic Comedian" (George Carlin) and Episode 19 "Singing Mailman" (John Prine).

LINKS:
Guardian obituary for Bill Hicks
Bill Hicks: Relentless on YouTube
"The Goat Boy Rises" by John Lahr, The New Yorker
American: The Bill Hicks Story (2009)
Bill Hicks: It's Just a Ride (1994)
Bill Hicks's mother watches his censored Letterman set, 2009 — unofficial upload, may get taken down; worth finding a CBS/Letterman-sourced version if one exists
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James Brown built funk by insisting on total control, over the band and over the beat itself. Michael Osborne and Nichelle Carr trace how that same instinct, born from an orphaned childhood with no stability, made James Brown one of the most sampled artists in history and also led to well-documented domestic abuse. He a complicated figure, to say the least. James Brown gave the civil rights movement new language with "Say It Loud, I'm Black and I'm Proud," helped keep Boston calm the night Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated, and became perhaps the most influential figure in twentieth century American music.
Famous & Gravy is a celebrity biography podcast that asks, "What does this celebrity's life story show us about ourselves?"
If you enjoyed this episode, you might also enjoy Episode 78 "Purple Reign" (Prince) and Episode 92 "Acerbic Comedian" (George Carlin).
Famous & Gravy is created by Amit Kapoor and Michael Osborne, and hosted by Michael Osborne. This episode features guest co-host Nichelle Carr.
LINKS:
New York Times obituary for James Brown
Mr. Dynamite: The Rise of James Brown trailer, the HBO documentary by Alex Gibney referenced in the episode
Kill 'Em and Leave by James McBride
The One: The Life and Music of James Brown by RJ Smith
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