The Art of Range Podcast

In 1956, a group of Texas ranchers decided the training their kids needed didn't exist yet—so they built it themselves, and it's still running. Lee Knox, the Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo Professor in Ranch Management at Texas Christian University, describes TCU's nine-month, 35-credit certificate program that packs soil and forage management, animal husbandry, business, and marketing into a single intense year, backed by 1,200-plus alumni who host field trips, mentor students, and post job openings. Lee also reflects on a career spanning extension work, two decades with NRCS, and a lifetime of running cattle on leased ground—including why the return of fire to the Southern Plains is a backhanded compliment to better grazing management, and how hunting revenue brought Texas landowners and wildlife groups to the same side of the table.

The Art of Range is supported by RanchBot and the Western Extension Risk Management Education Center.

Music by Lewis Roise.

Visit the episode page at artofrange.com for the transcript of this interview and links to other resources mentioned in this episode.

Doug Tolleson is the longtime Chief Scientist at the Texas A&M AgriLife Sonora Research Station and recently retired director of the Grazing Animal Nutrition (GAN) Lab. In this episode, Tip visits with Doug about a career spent connecting animal nutrition to grazing management—from fecal near-infrared spectroscopy that lets managers "read" diet quality of rangeland forage, to prenatal programming that affects animals all the way to finished meat. Doug reflects on the enduring principles beneath every buzzword—holistic, sustainable, regenerative—and on managing for a moving target in a climate of rising variability, where six years in ten are dry and the Sonora "Flex" experiment builds adaptability by managing for drought and swinging for home runs in the wet years. The conversation closes on the value of long-term research stations, some celebrating their second century, and Doug's advice to young range professionals: stay a "specialized generalist," never be afraid to learn something, and let the land, the animals, and the weather keep humbling you.

Support for The Art of Range Podcast comes from RanchBot, Western SARE, and the Western Extension Risk Management Education Center.

Visit the episode page at artofrange.com for the transcript of this interview and links to resources mentioned during the conversation.

Music by Lewis Roise.

From fighter pilot instructor to rangeland science legend, Rod Heitschmidt has done it all. In this Sages of Rangelands conversation, Tip Hudson sits down with Rod at his home to trace his path from flying supersonic T-38s to studying livestock grazing at the Texas Experimental Ranch and USDA's Fort Keogh lab. Rod recounts his spirited clashes with Allan Savory over rotational grazing and stocking rates, the research on drought management, early weaning, prairie dogs, and mesquite that shaped his career, and the story behind his enduring textbook Grazing Management: An Ecological Perspective. Rod shares hard-won wisdom on economics as "a measure of one's beliefs," the real progress rangeland stewardship has made, and why anyone entering natural resources has to genuinely care about the land.
Rodney Heitschmidt received the Society for Range Management's Outstanding Achievement Award in 1991 and the SRM Fellow Award in 2004. He was honored with the Frederic G. Renner Award in 2013, which is the Society's premier award for sustained accomplishments in range management. Rod served as the SRM President in 2002.

Visit the episode page at https://artofrange.extension.wsu.edu/episodes/aor-185-rod-heitschmidt-on-a-lifetime-of-integrating-rangeland-science-and-application/ for the transcript of this interview and links to resources mentioned on the show.

Music by Lewis Roise.

Dr. Tom Bartlett has spent a lifetime proving that rangeland is worth a lot more than meets the eye. Tip sits down with this Colorado State University rangeland economist to discuss career that shifted from mathematical modeling to applied on-the-ground economics — and why Bartlett thinks the real value of public grazing lands is almost always misunderstood by policymakers. Along the way, they reflect on 60 years of Society for Range Management membership, the people who shaped the profession.

Support for The Art of Range comes from the Western Extension Risk Management Education Center and RanchBot.

Music by Lewis Roise.

Visit the episode page at https://artofrange.extension.wsu.edu/episodes/aor-184-tom-bartlett-on-valuing-cows-grass-and-everything-else/ for a transcript of the interview and links to resources mentioned in this episode.

What if the key to making people care about rangelands wasn't a fact sheet, a policy brief, or even a podcast — but interactive art that people can view, hear, touch, and smell? WSU Extension's Stephen Bramwell joins the show to talk about a first-of-its-kind public art project that's deploying multisensory exhibits across 18 states to reach audiences who've never thought twice about grasslands or the people who steward them. From tactile fiber samples and scent jars to life-size 3D sheep cutouts, this is rangeland outreach like you've never heard of — and you can host an exhibit or submit your own art at grasslandsproject.org.

Music by Lewis Roise.

Support for The Art of Range comes from RanchBot and the Western Extension Risk Management Education Center.

The transcript of this episode and links to resources mentioned in the interview are available at https://artofrange.extension.wsu.edu/episodes/aor-183-rangelands-on-display-using-public-art-to-reach-beyond-the-choir-with-stephen-bramwell/.