Herm & Schrader

Mark Martin stops by Kenny Conversation to talk about his new book, Never Lift, and the stories in it are wilder than you'd expect.
We'll start with the one Kenny couldn't wait to hear. Mark's dad, Julian, loses his cool after a big race in Springfield, Missouri, when a brand-new ignition quits with the win on the line. Nobody says a word all the way to Denny's. Then comes the crowbar. Then comes the pole in the parking lot. Then comes the coil’s ultimate demise. Trust us, you'll want to hear the rest of this one.
From there, Mark and Kenny go deep. They get into the highs and lows of his career, including at a win at Bristol two weeks after losing his dad. Mark explains why he never tried to out-drive Larry Phillips or Dale Earnhardt and just made his car better, and how he and Rusty Wallace shared setups for years without a single problem. He talks about what made Al Unser Jr. and Juan Pablo Montoya so good, why Sebastien Bourdais impressed him in IROC, and how he remembers every spring and stagger number from races decades ago.
Then it's modern NASCAR. Mark says why he stuck his neck out on the points system and why he thinks the current format is a fair compromise. He also gives his honest take on stage racing, the Hocevar and Blaney fight, and what happened to Corey Day at Martinsville.
Also, Mark and Kenny go over the book tour so far, including the packed signing and what's coming up at the Oktoberfest races in La Crosse.


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Kenny Wallace went to Disney, came home to a Martinsville mess, and has been fired up ever since.
This week, Herm and Schrader start with what happened after the checkered flag at Martinsville and the fights that went down. Then it's on to Kansas, where Kyle Larson ran away with it and the guys argue about the points picture with six races left. They also ask whether the stage points might be the best system NASCAR has ever had. Then comes the question that split the room: was it a good race, and should NASCAR quit comparing itself to every other sport?
A fan question from the YouTube comments sends them back to the Earnhardt days: why did nobody ever wreck the guy? Herm and Schrader have some thoughts on the pecking order and respecting the field.
Then it's the Blaney and Hocevar fallout from Bristol, Hailie Deegan's win, and a Herm rant about ARCA that Schrader wasn't about to get in front of. They close with a dirt racing roundup, Bobby Pierce love, a few jokes, and Schrader's plan for a weekend race that was canceled on him. Nobody on this show was ever accused of staying on topic.


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She's 22, she drives a 12,000-horsepower Top Fuel dragster for Ron Capps, and she still remembers exactly what it felt like the day her dad found out — before she did. Kenny sits down with NHRA rising star Maddi Gordon to talk about the wildest way anyone's ever gotten offered a ride (spoiler: she was on a motorcycle when she found out), the double-family-win day that changed everything, and fangirling over Sophie Cunningham backstage at NASCAR.
But there's way more to Maddi than the win light. She started a fabrication company with her sister when she was 15 — before she even knew she had to pay taxes on it. She was welding trailers at 12. She's given up wakeboarding, snow skiing, and street motorcycles because she's not risking an injury that could take her out of the car. And when she's not strapped into a dragster, she's still working on the family business — a custom cabinet shop her grandparents started over 50 years ago. Three generations of racing, a dad who's an Alcohol Funny Car champion himself, a sister who builds the engines and does the taxes, and a driver who says racing isn't just what she does — it's what she was put on this earth to do. Full send, zero fear, and an absolute joy to talk to. This one's a ride.


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Rick Mast sits in for Herm this week, and he and Ken Schrader waste no time getting into it. The Blaney-Hocevar fight at Bristol gets the full breakdown — who really screwed up, why Rick says the real mistake happened before a punch was ever thrown, and what it means that fans can't get enough of Hocevar while the garage can't stand him. They’re not pulling any punches when it comes to their thoughts on what needs to happen with the rising star and the drivers who have to put up with him.
From there the guys get into Jesse Love beating himself up over a mistake, and why they say he needs to let it go, and where Logano's playoff run stacks up. They’re also getting into Denny Hamlin’s Chase performance so far and what the regular-season champ needs to do in the next seven races to win. There’s also the Kyle Busch tribute that Ty Gibbs made in Bristol and why the guys say despite previous issues with Gibbs’s behavior, they’re seeing a change for the better for the young racer. They also get into the sobering reality of racing, the fact that crashes do happen and how life changing they can be.
Finally, they end the show on a lighter note with some jokes – courtesy of Rodney Dangerfield. This week’s episode of Herm and Schrader has it all – except for Herm.


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Kenny Wallace sits down with Nick Hoffman fresh off the biggest win of his career — the 56th running of the World 100, the most-watched Dirt Late Model race ever broadcast. They get into what it felt like watching his text messages blow up from Australia to a hotel lobby full of Cup drivers, why Kenny publicly called the win five days early, life at the shop with his crew being neighbors with Ricky Stenhouse Jr., the truth about NASCAR money creeping into dirt racing, and his growing mentorship of Carson Hocevar. Hoffman also talks about his decision to race for Spire as the team enters into dirt racing. It's part victory lap, part behind-the-curtain look at what it costs — financially and mentally — to win the biggest race in dirt racing.

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