Herm & Schrader

The man, the myth, the legend...Cleetus McFarland is the latest guest on Kenny Conversation! Kenny and Cleetus dive headfirst into just about everything—from the controversial (yes, they’re talking about the decline of Mountain Dew) to the hilarious (Kenny’s performance in the Freedom 500 gets put under the microscope), and everything in between. Expect laughs, cameos, and plenty of unexpected tangents. Of course, it wouldn’t be a true Cleetus episode without some surprise guest appearances—Squirrel McNutt and Mr. Sam pop in to make sure things stay Kenny-level chaotic.

But it’s not all laughs—there are some real, raw moments too. Cleetus and Kenny open up about the impact of losing close friends and mentors like Kyle Loftis and Greg Biffle, sharing honest reflections on what Biffle taught them both. They also get into Cleetus’ journey into aviation—how it all started, what drew him to the skies, and what flying means to him today. 

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This week on Herm & Schrader, Herm's back and we've got lots to catch up on.  Chicagoland Speedway is back too, with an explosive return over 4th of July weekend capped off by two great finishes. Will this be a one-off revival, or could Chicagoland make a return appearance to the schedule in 2027?  Toyota continued its domination of the Cup Series with Chase Briscoe's first win of the season - the fellas debate if Toyota's purported advantage is unfair and if NASCAR should rein them in. Will Brad Keselowski's pointed challenge to Ford and Chevy spark a turnaround for the manufacturers?

 

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This week, Kenny Conversation features a pair of childhood friends reconnecting after a long time apart. Kenny Wallace and Terry Phillips grew up together at race tracks around Missouri, with Kenny learning from his brother Rusty, and Terry being under the tutelage of his father Larry. Now, both of their mentors are solidified in the NASCAR Hall of Fame, as Larry was finally elected this year after a long wait. But his son, Terry, also carved out his own racing legacy, becoming one of the best dirt racers of all-time and a Hall of Famer in his own right. This is a discussion about racing, from the Ozarks all the way to NASCAR.

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Kenny Wallace is feeling a little under the weather, but don’t worry—the reliever is in! Rick Mast steps back into the booth alongside Schrader to break down all the action from Sonoma. And yes… surprise, surprise—SVG is back in victory lane yet again, delivering another masterclass with his signature fancy footwork on full display. The fellas debate what his win means and what we can learn from it.

Meanwhile, while some are calling Toyota the dominant force of 2026, we dig into the facts and cut through the noise—reminding everyone just how razor-thin the line really is between winning and losing. And to top it all off, NASCAR is headed back to Chicagoland Speedway! Is this the start of something big, or will Chicagoland become just another relic of NASCAR's past?

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In this Kenny Conversation, which originally aired on January 17, 2024, defending Cup Series Champion Ryan Blaney joins Kenny to discuss his rise through the ranks of NASCAR. Ryan shares stories of his upbringing and how both his father and grandfather left indelible marks on his childhood. Now a very successful driver for a powerhouse organization in Team Penske, Ryan and Kenny talk about his desire to complete his career driving for The Captain. Where does Ryan see NASCAR trending, and how can he help grow the sport and take it to new heights? All that and more on this week's Kenny Conversation as we rewind the clock back to 2024!

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